I always thought muse were pretty mainstream.
I never looked into them that much, so, pardon my ignorance... :/
I never looked into them that much, so, pardon my ignorance... :/
Has Muse Gone Too Mainstream?
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I still do, but some of their newer songs are not as good as their previous work.DoctorNick said:
The issue is not the overall blandness of mainstream music but the fact that Muse have changed their style of music completely. Compare "Micro Cuts" to "Undisclosed Desires" or any of the crap that is on the piece of shit they call "The Resistance". A few days ago I saw the video of "Uprising" a few songs after something by Beyonce on a music channel. Muse has sold out. Their new album sucks. They have gone mainstream. This is naturally a bad thing for a band that once was something much more.Lord Krunk said:
I happened to love the one they did for Twilight's album, "Super Massive Black Hole".[Insert Name Here said:
After that, i need to listen to more to know for sure if i like them or not.
They have been mainstream for the last 10 years or so. How can they be "too mainstream"? They either are or aren't.
That's the logic I assume they have anyway.
Very true. I think the issue fans of underground bands that become mainstream have is that the music doesn't feel as special when everyone and their mother loves it. When a band is unknown the fans tend to like it for the music, when it becomes popular everyone loves it because "everyone else loves it".Lord Krunk said:
That's the logic I assume they have anyway.
I'm going to have to agree with all the "Huh? Muse was non-mainstream at some point in the past few years?" people. I don't even have a radio, and I first heard them on a pretty generic mainstream rock station a looooooong time ago. If a band is getting regular enough radio play for me to hear them repeatedly on the rare occasions I'm listening to the radio in people's cars (and not weird college radio shows, either), they're mainstream.
That said, so what? If you like them, you like them. If you don't, you don't. Who cares what other people think? You're the one listening to it.
For the record, I personally have no opinion on their newest stuff, because I haven't heard it yet. So much media to consume, so little time...
That said, so what? If you like them, you like them. If you don't, you don't. Who cares what other people think? You're the one listening to it.
For the record, I personally have no opinion on their newest stuff, because I haven't heard it yet. So much media to consume, so little time...
Please be advised once again that I don't like Muse's songs, past or present. So your comment about their quality's a little bit lost on me.Mortagog said:
Hm. The fault with that logic, though, is that you hate someone's music for its fans, not the music. It's the same reason so many Halo haters are around [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlexxpmjrh25rbg?from=Main.ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch].Machines said:
I'm not even going to read your original post.
Leave them alone, ALL musicians who start underground who make it big are accused of becoming "mainstream."
did you want them to remain pennyless starving artists for the rest of their music careers? NO. they are just as cool as you remember, but because everyone knows about how cool they are, it just seems like they lost 10 cool points to the mainstream because they're not your underground band.
All bands are in it for the money. That is why it is a career.
Same thing happened to Linkin Park from when I was in Jr. High to now. When they were underground and I had their CD, I thought they were cool, then they released their first big CD (Hybrid Theory), and I got it and thought it was awesome. Then after that I started to think that they sold out because everyone was starting to like Linkin Park because they were cool. I said things like, "their music is just not as good as it used to be." or "This music is crap. Their old stuff was way better."
now, here I am more than 10 years later and I'm listening to Linking Parks casually now. And their music is just as good as it ever was since I'm not paying attention to what album it is. The less you care the more you enjoy life. I just appreciate the idea that other people appreciate the music I listen to and that they can continue making their music.
Leave them alone, ALL musicians who start underground who make it big are accused of becoming "mainstream."
did you want them to remain pennyless starving artists for the rest of their music careers? NO. they are just as cool as you remember, but because everyone knows about how cool they are, it just seems like they lost 10 cool points to the mainstream because they're not your underground band.
All bands are in it for the money. That is why it is a career.
Same thing happened to Linkin Park from when I was in Jr. High to now. When they were underground and I had their CD, I thought they were cool, then they released their first big CD (Hybrid Theory), and I got it and thought it was awesome. Then after that I started to think that they sold out because everyone was starting to like Linkin Park because they were cool. I said things like, "their music is just not as good as it used to be." or "This music is crap. Their old stuff was way better."
now, here I am more than 10 years later and I'm listening to Linking Parks casually now. And their music is just as good as it ever was since I'm not paying attention to what album it is. The less you care the more you enjoy life. I just appreciate the idea that other people appreciate the music I listen to and that they can continue making their music.
When music has "mainstream appeal" that usually means it sounds more generic or formulaic. Like how rock songs on the radio are all 3-5 minutes, and are essentially the same all the way through (verse chorus verse chorus maybe a solo/bridge chorus outro).Machines said:
Some people just don't like this formula/generic ness, and so prefer when things don't go mainstream. They're not saying it's inherently bad, just that they prefer their artists to keep making the music they were making.
So while a song like this will never be mainstream: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SiBcMCaHL0
This song is more in tune with what people in the mainstream would like, due to its length/form/whatever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLtA8SkmVw
If you can't see the difference there then I don't know what to say to you.
Also I'm not sure if this is what the OP is talking about, but this is my personal justisfication for not liking most "mainstream" music
Muse were one of the 1st bands to play Wembley a couple years back, that's pretty damn mainstream. They're playing again this year and their tickets sold out in minutes which shows the strength of their hardcore fanbase too.
They're one of the biggest bands in Britain (and taking on the world). Of course they have to be a bit mainstream, but can't we just be happy for them?
They're one of the biggest bands in Britain (and taking on the world). Of course they have to be a bit mainstream, but can't we just be happy for them?
I love the new album, I'd say overall it's the best album as the older ones were a little more hit and miss. It just feels more, erm, complete to me, like Songs For The Deaf (QOTSA).
However I hate the fact that it's being raped for Twilight, not that I've ever experienced anything to do with Twilight, I just don't like the idea of them providing songs for really mainstream films.
However I hate the fact that it's being raped for Twilight, not that I've ever experienced anything to do with Twilight, I just don't like the idea of them providing songs for really mainstream films.
I can partly understand dismissing a band if it's already mainstream but if it's becoming mainstream?
It just seems stupid, you like a band because it's good, because it's good it becomes popular, because it becomes popular it becomes bad?
The only difference is that you can't walk around with a false sense of superiority and if that matters so much to you, then you're listening to music for the wrong reason.
It just seems stupid, you like a band because it's good, because it's good it becomes popular, because it becomes popular it becomes bad?
The only difference is that you can't walk around with a false sense of superiority and if that matters so much to you, then you're listening to music for the wrong reason.
But what constitutes 'Generic'? I mean, Coldplay hasn't changed a bit since they made the transition from indie to mainstream. They haven't become more 'generic' because they haven't actually changed.Taerdin said:
I mean, is 'generic' like anything written by Beyonce, Eminem and Linkin Park? Is 'generic' just the popular medium at the time? Does 'generic' mean that they all sound the same? To the last one, I can say that plenty of mainstream bands/singers are different, with different styles.
So I ask, what is your definition of 'generic'?
I've sort of stopped listening to Muse for some reason. Black Holes and Revelations was a decent album but I think that their best was Absolution. It is one of my favourite albums of all time. Songs like 'Apocalypse Now' and 'Stockholm Syndrome' are just brilliant.
Its obviously hard to explain, but I can listen to songs and hear when they have "mainstream appeal". I don't actually follow mainstream music but there is something inherently in music that is hard to explain that is formulaic or something. If I was better at "music" maybe I could explain it better but I'm not so... either you can hear it or you can't, I dont know what to say to you.Lord Krunk said: