Has music become a replacement for conscious thought in today's youth?

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Biosophilogical

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I listen to music when I'm on the computer, and then I actively listen to it. I listen to music when I'm on the bus (to block out the noise of little children), and leave the opposite-ear one in when talking to my friend (I find it easier to hear him with my music then with the sounds of small children). I also listen to it when I'm studying or when I'm allowed to during class-work, as it helps me concentrate).

So yeah, I don't listen to music for the sake of listening to music, there is always a reason.
 

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You said it yourself: it's a matter of listening to music while doing other things. Some people would rather listen than talk to friends and such, and that's just wrong, but to blame music for that is like blaming video games for violence: correlation is not causation, and that's not a common thing.

But music is an artistic background for life. It makes everything entertaining, makes the impact for certain things much better. People like listening to music for a similar reason that we like music in our movies: everything's better with a soundtrack.

Beyond that, you don't really care for it in the first place. So you just don't get it, and that's fine. It's a matter of appreciation for an art form. But if I remember right, you don't really recognize most art forms either, so... I don't know what to tell you.
What you're not getting is that I'm not blaming the music, I'm blaming the people.

JuryNelson said:
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Take a look around. Almost every teen is doing this. And this level of Escapism is disturbing.
Subtle troll is subtle?
Okay? How so?

I just accidentally capitalized is since I'm used to spelling it as the site as a proper noun.
I just mean? You're going to go after MUSIC as the downfall of Western civilization? Music?

Plus if you WERE doing this as a kind of thought experiment, it's incredibly well put together. "What if you took the argument videogame-opponents take about videogames and used it against something patently innocuous, like music?"

So you're either doing a really good job applying bogus logic, or I'm just missing your point.
Again, Music is not the culprit, its the people who listen to it obsessively.

The reason I started out with "what the fuck is the deal with music" is mainly because I don't get how people can be plug into their IPod only god knows how many hours a day.

I can understand why people like music (I'm pretty sure its scientifically proven that human beings are mentally stimulated by music), but rather I cannot understand people who treat music like a drug. That somehow they need to be listening to it all day long.

And this can apply to videogames as well, its just that this obsession in music is just a lot more popular.
 

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You speak as if a love of music is some sort of ailment. The impression I got from your lack of music taste is that YOU'RE the one with an illness, not us.
By calling your demographic, (in this case) us, only proves his point. You're representing that theres a whole lot of you who can't function with out it.
 

Lady Nilstria

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Yes.

I however, find that when I work (not studying mind), I need both parts of my brain to be in action in order to avoid becoming bored and doing something else. This is most evident when I'm doing art commissions. While I paint, I must have something going on in the background, or I won't last more then an hour and a half. It doesn't even have to be anything important, or music, just something that is not annoying. That background noise actually helps me focus, which I consider a rather strange thing. It's probably become my attention span is short, so when I feel bored, I can easily shift to the noise and back again without stopping what I'm doing.

This method doesn't work if it's something I'm interested in, or music I like to sing along with, because then I focus on the sound too much.
 

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Mortons4ck said:
If you ever have the misfortune of working as a dishwasher, you will realize how necessary music is. While you body is engaged in washing the dishes, and some lesser part of your brain is counting seconds and scrubs, the rest of your mind begins to wander (I imagine much like solitary confinement or a sensory deprivation chamber). You become painfully aware of each and every second that goes by, 8 hours becomes an eternity. Music/News programs are helpful because they keep the rest of your mind blissfully occupied and away from the fact that you are preforming mind-numbing, soul-crushing menial labor. It makes it MUCH more tolerable.
Ah, I can't begin to express how sorry I am for you! Oh yeah, if you have a monotonous job, I bet it totally takes the boredom away!!

How come you ended up as a dishwasher? Is this, in part, due to the recession? I know how hard it is to get jobs in the UK, so it'll be a damn sight harder to get them in the US, I bet...?
 

trueluigi7

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I agree very much I have noticed this as well, but I never really thought of what to do about it . I do listen to music a lot, but no where near as much as other people I only listen to it when I have nothing else to do in school anyways and only if I am by a computer I don't have an MP3 player and I have my music on my flash drive.
 

ajb924

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I listen to music because I can't stand noises. I have a pair of bulky earphones that block out all noise, and if there isn't any music playing I start to hear myself breathe or my heart beating and it creeps me out. So I listen to music.

I listen to it in public to tune people out. I can't stand the people at my school, so when the teacher gives us instruction I plug in my iPod and do the work.

As for the bit about music being an excuse not to think, I think while I'm listening to music. Sometimes I zone out, but for the most part I'm thinking of things and the music is just background noise.

Lastly, I don't sleep with my music BLASTING. I have my iPod on the lowest volume possible and I listen to songs from anime I like that make me think of certain scenes. For instance:
Last night I was listening to the band "The Pillows" as I was going to sleep. This makes it easy for my mind to focus on something happy (FLCL) without me exerting any energy and waking myself up.
Also, I have my iPod on a sleep timer, so after an hour it turns itself off. So, I don't see a problem with listening to music.

I do hate it when I can hear someone else's music though. If you need to listen to it that loud don't listen to it at all.
 

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I disagree that music replaces conscious thought in modern youth. I think with how much more accessible music as a whole is, that society is more conscious, although it may not look like it because you are surrounded by only a specific cross-section of society.

If I were to say on this forum that the internet has created a more wholesome, singular, and (most-importantly) smarter society, like how people professed that the Internet's accessibility to information would a decade ago, Escapees would bring up counter-points like Digg, Youtube comments, and 4Chan. But those people are only a specific cross-section of society on the Internet. A better example of the Internet's power in allowing people to share information freely around the world would not be 4Chan, but actually be Wikipedia and Google.

Likewise, modern accessibility of music may make people robots and unconscious to what is around them, but that is a loud minority of the people who are specifically around you. On the larger scale, it has done a LOT to show people different kinds of music and how it affects people. Today's youth is fine, as a whole.
 

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I agree on people being plugged in constantly, as it seems like they're not really talking or thinking for the few instances I have to, but I typically listen to music to drown out outside noise.

If I'm trying to do homework or read and am finding it difficult to focus with the various noises around the house, light music tends to fill it out quite easily a sound that I'm familiar with and can thus ignore.

And there are indeed moments wherein I want to listen to music to avoid conversation, but not to the extent that I'm always running away from it or am constantly listening to something. If someone tries to talk to me, I've the good graces to turn it off, take out/off my ear/headphones, make eye contact, and devote a moment to listen to them.

Just... don't look at my music collection or the number of songs on my iPod. I've far too many, more than I will ever really listen to. I do like putting it on random, but I am often inclined to skip songs until I stumble upon something I like... dunno. Suppose music's just a filler until I've something to truly, fully keep me occupied with, and as I don't have anything like that yet, I listen to music. Gotta give props to people who make it their careers to make the stuff.
 

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I listen when I am driving back and forth to work and at work. It helps keep me calm in traffic jams. At work it helps drown out the office noises
 

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The thing about music is that it only requires one sense to use: the sense of hearing. It's not something you can see or feel (except very very extreme situations with the latter of those two) and it isn't even using the most necessary sense for us (the sense of sight). Because of this, music isn't something that requires as much dedication, so it can be heard whilst multi-tasking. This is the idea of background music -- this isn't a rarity either, there are whole [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_music] genres [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furniture_music] dedicated to background music played at a low volume so you can do other stuff over it [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQLh3WanSfg&playnext_from=TL&videos=m2tWVhlzhk0]. Music can be used to fill a void without reducing the current actions considerately.

Fair enough, though there is a difference between it being played in the back ground, and it being "shot" straight into your brain.

This is why people are able to hold conversations/ listen to other people (to an extent) whilst listening to music, it's why they can do work whilst listening to music, it's why they can drive whilst listening to music: whilst it may be a bit of a distraction it doesn't require enough attention to be an issue. I rarely do it myself as I find it too distracting as a whole (with exceptions such as the track by Brian Eno I linked to earlier and other pieces of Ambient, since that's their purpose), but I'm really into music and listening to it critically (concentrating hard on the seperate instruments and textures); it's why I took GCSE Music and why I'm currently doing AS Level Music Technology. If people don't want to listen to music that way and just want something to fill the silence, fair enough I used to do that too.

Filling the silence is fine. When I drive, I put on the stereo and such. But when there isn't silence (like a friend talking to you) why do it?

Out of those 1,000 something songs, there's only about 20 that I like to listen to more than once in a day, so I get bored of my IPod real fast. But on any given school day, with any one of my friends, they all have at least one head phone in their ears all the goddamn time.
This is coming from someone who has just admitted that they're not that into music, so such a result from a comparison is almost inevitable.

Hence why I admitted my bias in the opening couple of sentences


From in class, to study halls, to passing periods; what the fuck are people listening too all day? You may have 4,000 sounds, but I don't think its humanly possible to want to hear any given song on at any given time.
That's why you have that many songs, so that you can change it depending on your mood. If I'm on the bus and feel like listening to Fall Out Boy, guess what I'll do [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgS4mLnk98A&playnext_from=TL&videos=rWrgaUn-3GQ]. However, if I want something even softer, I always have that option to do so [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6buGd5dBA].

Sure, but you cannot say that you need to listen to those things. You want to. There must be times when you simply don't listen to music because you're not in the mood, right? Or days where you leave the IPod/mp3 ect at home because you just don't feel like it.

I've had people come up to me claiming that the day is going to suck hard because they forgot their IPod at home. I mean, that's a bit excessive.


A friend of mine recently told me that in class his IPod has recorded that he's listened to a song something like 800 times. No matter how much you like a song, I cannot find possible. How many times can you possibly listen to a group of songs, no matter how large?
Once again, the fact that you're not 'much of a fan of music' makes this comparison a bit predictable. But this also depends on how long he's had the iPod and how long he's had iTunes, as listening to stuff on your computer counts as a play on the iPod as well.

Lets say that the song is 3 mins long. 800 X 3 = 2400. There's 1440 in a day. That almost two full days of listening to one song. Not to mention the countless others he has on there. That is what I find bewildering. Again, probably becuase of my bias. I guess I am a man of moderation

It a way of blocking off mental awareness and consciousness.
If anything I find it does this a lot less than gaming or watching TV due to how little dedication it needs, it's just that the other two can't be done as often in public for that very reason, so music seems more antisocial when done in groups.

But excessive gaming/channel surfing is something thats a lot less common than this. That's why I consider this more of a "problem"

Only point I will agree with is the point about one-ear in headphones and one ear listening; not because of how it is anti-social, but because it doesn't give as good a representation of the music than otherwise (not because you're distracted). Being a Music Tech student, one phrase that is essential for me to know is the 'stereo image'. This is where the instruments sound they are coming from, and is a bit hard to describe, so just follow the instructions on this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA] if you're interested in witnessing the effect of stereo image.

Cutting out the stereo image by only using one speaker potentially cuts out half the sound. Think of it as like seeing only half of Bruegel's painting of The Tower of Babel [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tower_of_Babel_%28Brueghel%29].

Agreed. When I do listen to a song, I get deeply involved into it. I don't understand how people have it as background music constantly. The only reason I can think of is that it is a habit. And a habit that I don't believe is healthy.
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Back when my Ipod used to work (Damn that audiojack), I used to listen to music 24/7. I have around 22 G of music on my laptop. My Ipod was the only way that I could listen all my music.

I usually listen to music, with an Ipod, to divide myself from the rest of the world.

Now, I'm only listening when I'm working on something. I can't work with Heavy Metal or hard rock. Therefore, I tend to prefer calm music. People can't talk to me. There's enough music to keep my brain for work without being too catchy...For working out, I listen to hard rock and metal. It pumps me up. Makes me feel though. However, my Ipod is broken and I can't stand that shit that's playing at the gym.For jogging, I listen to something with a beat. I run with the music.


I used to have a better life with my music. Now, things doesn't seems to go foward.

I'm probably going to buy another Ipod.
 

dunnace

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Well I'd like to make a statement
Against this idea 'bout my Generation
You say music to us is like a drug
But that's because there's a lot to love

This is my rationalisation
My retaliation baby

It's not like we don't have no thoughts
We simply like to take stress outta work
Who can blame a guy or chick
For wanting a little more interesting riffs

This is my rationalisation
My retaliation baby

If anything it's kinda cool
You learn about stuff you don't at school
Stuff like politics and lies
About Vietnam and moving with the times7

This is my rationalisation
My retaliation baby

TO the tune of My Generation. And yeah, I kinda agree, fill an absent mind with thought.
 

Ironic Pirate

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I walk around with headphones in my ear, it feels nice.

I also like pressure on my head and getting haircuts (I wish they would cut one hair at a time to make it last longer) so maybe I'm weird like that.
 

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Thoughts?
Owing to the spelling mistake in the title of this thread I'd say that was a qualified 'yes'.

I like listening to music when I do mindless things - the watching up, browsing the internet, dog walks, etc. Also, if I want to do some 'serious' thinking I find background music helps.

But when I'm doing something that requires maximum concentration and focus I switch my music off.
 

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Yes, I don't listen to music unless I can devote a certain amount of attention to it. I really don't get it either. At work, we are blasted with a horrible muzak package all day long and it's a nightmare. Christmas is even worse because they will only play about five songs by fifty different people. I just like peace and quiet most of the time.
 

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I listen to music quite often but not constantly. I listen to it in the morning and afternoon on the bus ride to and from school. I listen to it in the car, and my family often listens to music while we are eating dinner. Not blasting it, but quietly in the background. I listen to it when I am on the computer to break the silence so that the only sound that I hear is the clicking of my mouse and the ticking of the keys. I also listen to it when I go to bed, it distracts my mind from the day so that I can get to bed easier.

I enjoy music, but I never use it as an excuse not to talk to someone. If someone wants to talk to me, I take off my headphones, and listen to them.
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
Thinking is difficult. Society has been conditioned to avoid difficulty. This includes rational and inquiring thought. In order to avoid difficulty, people are avoiding responsibility and seek distraction. Music is a form of distraction like any screen anywhere, and it's used to distract from the difficulties of actual thought.

Read this. [http://www.amazon.com/Age-Absurdity-Modern-Makes-Happy/dp/1847375243/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272582288&sr=8-1]
 

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Danny Ocean said:
Pimppeter2 said:
Thinking is difficult. Society has been conditioned to avoid difficulty. This includes rational and inquiring thought. In order to avoid difficulty, people are avoiding responsibility and seek distraction. Music is a form of distraction like any screen anywhere, and it's used to distract from the difficulties of actual thought.

Read this. [http://www.amazon.com/Age-Absurdity-Modern-Makes-Happy/dp/1847375243/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272582288&sr=8-1]
I have, as they say on the internet "added it to my cart"

I look forward to reading it.