Has music become a replacement for conscious thought in today's youth?

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Hollock

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I usually only listen to music when I'm out walking alone, like in the woods, or on a road without people. If I'm in a city, or town, I keep them out. It bugs me a little when my friends do it sometimes, but recently I find it happening to myself and I have to stop myself. I'm not even that into music, so in the end, I do it to kill silence. This is a jumblemess post if I ever did see one (what I wrote, not the OP).
oh and over online FPS's
 

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Pandalink said:
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Now if only I could listen to music in an FPS without it drowning out the noise of the guy sneaking up behind me...
Oh this and this again. D:
Sometimes I do play CSS with my music off, but if I die early on in a round it can get boring.
I'm tend to have media player open behind games, and use the media buttons to mix things up during loading screens, when I'm dead, or when I plan on doing something really stupid in BC2 :D
 

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Strykz said:
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I don't know why music's so popular either...I mean, other than the minority, most people love music in one form or another. It's so strange...it's like driving. Just about EVERYONE enjoys it, whether it be city or motorway driving. It's a mutual thing that we all like, only in different forms. We're strange creatures :D

Strykz said:
Surely this is a 'vicious circle'?
In what way do you mean?
He bolded the part that he was addressing; basically, that the fact that listening to music all the time makes them boring.
To be fair I did it in an edit :p
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Sorry.


OT: I love listening to my ipod, but I normally listen to it on the bus ride to school, or when I'm doing homework.
 

Warforger

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I do this alot, but my Ipod only has music I listen too and not just a shitload of random shit I will get around to listening too. Even then its still 180 songs. Sometimes I try to listen to a album full to hear how a critic hears it.
 

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I don't like listening to others people's music, and vice versa.
I don't have an iPod due to my hate of Apple, and other earbuds just don't fit in my ears.
I would definitely say that such habits are changing today's youth for the negative.
 

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I agree. I noticed that i started getting dumber as the music i listened to increased. It also keeps people cliquey or completely antisocial.
 

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Well, being a musician, I love music. I listen to it pretty much every time I have the chance. Hell, I spent pretty much all of middle/high school in the music building at my school, playing music or listening to it. Whenever I do anything with a computer (write papers, use the internet, etc.) I have my headphones on to listen to music.

However, it's not escapism, and it's not mindless background noise. I listen to music both because it's aurally interesting and can be the focus of my thoughts (seriously, just put on a song--any song--and just really, really listen to it) and also because it functions like a soundtrack for my life, something more interesting than the dull roar of a washing machine or the hum of a whirring computer fan.

Pimppeter2 said:
Ergo, I believe that this has become some sort of disgusting habit. Frankly I find it unnatural to have music pumped into your brain every single day for more than 3 hours a day. It?s sickening to have music blasted into your head constantly. It a way of blocking off mental awareness and consciousness. Music is a form of escapism; but it become like a magical get away drug for today?s youth. I find this no healthier than those MMO players that play WoW for 20 hours a day or what not. ?
I disagree with this. Music isn't poison, and it isn't a 'magical drug' that blocks your mind off--music can actually promote thought, and I think that some study or other was done that shows that musicians tend to get better grades than non-musicians, seen also in the success of programs like Baby Mozart (a program which plays music for children to stimulate, not inhibit, mental activity). Besides, comparing music to WoW? I'm sorry, but in my opinion that's a ridiculous and unsupported connection, mostly because WoW players atrophy in front of a computer and music listeners enrich themselves with a wide variety of types of music. Hell, music is educational for all of the math in the rhythms, for the complex interactions between sometimes disparate elements, for providing a new way of looking at the same things (after all, so much of modern music is built from the same instruments)

Pimppeter2 said:
Kids are doing homework while listen to music. Working out while listening to music. Gaming while listening to music. Sleeping to music being blasted in their ears. Doing chores while listening to music. Driving while listening to music. All in a single motherfucking day.
You seem to disregard how many different types of music there are--after all, music is an entire medium which you're blanketing with a single statement. In 'a single motherfucking day', someone could listen to jazz (in its many forms), rock (again, in its many forms), hip hop, funk, classical (from hundreds of years worth of compositions), bluegrass, pop, blues, metal... and that's just a tiny sampling of the music commonly listened to in the western world alone. There isn't a lack of variety in the medium, and one could go an entire lifetime without listening to the same song twice. Besides, people listen to music while they do other things for the same reason that movies and games have soundtracks--it just makes them a lot more interesting.

However, I do think that people shoving headphones in their ears before you're done talking to them is just rude. I don't think that that has anything to do with the music, and instead has more to do with modern society's near total disregard for other people. Next time someone does that, blame their lack of manners rather than their choice of music.

In summary, I think that either you're listening to the wrong music--if you find it sickening--or you just don't like it. If it's the former, I'd be happy to try and help you find something you like. If it's the latter, then that's fine, just don't try to tear it down for the rest of us. Maybe it's just because I'm a musician, but I feel that music can have a strong and positive impact on a person, and I don't believe that it's the great poisonous evil that you seem to claim that it is. I guess that I just don't see why you seem to be raging against music; it's ultimately harmless.

Sorry about the rant, it's just that music is a huge part of who I am, so I guess I'm just defending myself here.

[sub]The summary, for people who don't want to open the spoiler box, is that I'm defending music.[/sub]
 

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People like music dude. It does help pass the time if you're bored, but it is hurting a lot of social interactions at schools and college campuses. I agree about that. I only listen to music when I'm doing robotic office work at my job, or working out. Heavy metal music motivates me to lift more weights when I hear yelling and screaming with some guitar riffs, hell yea :)
 

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I don't listen to my music ALL day, usually only when I'm either bored or doing something tedious that MAKES me bored. (That does add up to several hours a day, though, especially adding in commute times.) It all comes down to personal taste, really. Some people really enjoy music, others don't. Just learn to live with it, bro, people like me aren't going away.
 

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bassdrum said:
Well, being a musician, I love music. I listen to it pretty much every time I have the chance. Hell, I spent pretty much all of middle/high school in the music building at my school, playing music or listening to it. Whenever I do anything with a computer (write papers, use the internet, etc.) I have my headphones on to listen to music.

However, it's not escapism, and it's not mindless background noise. I listen to music both because it's aurally interesting and can be the focus of my thoughts (seriously, just put on a song--any song--and just really, really listen to it) and also because it functions like a soundtrack for my life, something more interesting than the dull roar of a washing machine or the hum of a whirring computer fan.

Pimppeter2 said:
Ergo, I believe that this has become some sort of disgusting habit. Frankly I find it unnatural to have music pumped into your brain every single day for more than 3 hours a day. It?s sickening to have music blasted into your head constantly. It a way of blocking off mental awareness and consciousness. Music is a form of escapism; but it become like a magical get away drug for today?s youth. I find this no healthier than those MMO players that play WoW for 20 hours a day or what not. ?
I disagree with this. Music isn't poison, and it isn't a 'magical drug' that blocks your mind off--music can actually promote thought, and I think that some study or other was done that shows that musicians tend to get better grades than non-musicians, seen also in the success of programs like Baby Mozart (a program which plays music for children to stimulate, not inhibit, mental activity). Besides, comparing music to WoW? I'm sorry, but in my opinion that's a ridiculous and unsupported connection, mostly because WoW players atrophy in front of a computer and music listeners enrich themselves with a wide variety of types of music. Hell, music is educational for all of the math in the rhythms, for the complex interactions between sometimes disparate elements, for providing a new way of looking at the same things (after all, so much of modern music is built from the same instruments)

Pimppeter2 said:
Kids are doing homework while listen to music. Working out while listening to music. Gaming while listening to music. Sleeping to music being blasted in their ears. Doing chores while listening to music. Driving while listening to music. All in a single motherfucking day.
You seem to disregard how many different types of music there are--after all, music is an entire medium which you're blanketing with a single statement. In 'a single motherfucking day', someone could listen to jazz (in its many forms), rock (again, in its many forms), hip hop, funk, classical (from hundreds of years worth of compositions), bluegrass, pop, blues, metal... and that's just a tiny sampling of the music commonly listened to in the western world alone. There isn't a lack of variety in the medium, and one could go an entire lifetime without listening to the same song twice. Besides, people listen to music while they do other things for the same reason that movies and games have soundtracks--it just makes them a lot more interesting.

However, I do think that people shoving headphones in their ears before you're done talking to them is just rude. I don't think that that has anything to do with the music, and instead has more to do with modern society's near total disregard for other people. Next time someone does that, blame their lack of manners rather than their choice of music.

In summary, I think that either you're listening to the wrong music--if you find it sickening--or you just don't like it. If it's the former, I'd be happy to try and help you find something you like. If it's the latter, then that's fine, just don't try to tear it down for the rest of us. Maybe it's just because I'm a musician, but I feel that music can have a strong and positive impact on a person, and I don't believe that it's the great poisonous evil that you seem to claim that it is. I guess that I just don't see why you seem to be raging against music; it's ultimately harmless.

Sorry about the rant, it's just that music is a huge part of who I am, so I guess I'm just defending myself here.

[sub]The summary, for people who don't want to open the spoiler box, is that I'm defending music.[/sub]
I'm not attacking music, but rather the people that use it as a constant mean to fill their lives with noise. I don't think that its healthy to listen to music all day every single day for hours on end. Especially when you're not even listening, but rather just using it as noise to constantly fill your mind. I think that is unhealthy.
 

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I only listen to music when I'm walking along the street or doing hard labor, and that's usually to keep me entertained, because frankly, my thoughts are not fun unless I have caffeine.
Excactly. Especially when I'm doing work. It may be because I come from a music background or not, but I seem to concentrate better when I'm listening to music. Like right now, I probably would be able to think of this here sentance if I wasn't currently listening to Metallica :p
 

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Pimppeter2 said:
bassdrum said:
Well, being a musician, I love music. I listen to it pretty much every time I have the chance. Hell, I spent pretty much all of middle/high school in the music building at my school, playing music or listening to it. Whenever I do anything with a computer (write papers, use the internet, etc.) I have my headphones on to listen to music.

However, it's not escapism, and it's not mindless background noise. I listen to music both because it's aurally interesting and can be the focus of my thoughts (seriously, just put on a song--any song--and just really, really listen to it) and also because it functions like a soundtrack for my life, something more interesting than the dull roar of a washing machine or the hum of a whirring computer fan.

Pimppeter2 said:
Ergo, I believe that this has become some sort of disgusting habit. Frankly I find it unnatural to have music pumped into your brain every single day for more than 3 hours a day. It?s sickening to have music blasted into your head constantly. It a way of blocking off mental awareness and consciousness. Music is a form of escapism; but it become like a magical get away drug for today?s youth. I find this no healthier than those MMO players that play WoW for 20 hours a day or what not. ?
I disagree with this. Music isn't poison, and it isn't a 'magical drug' that blocks your mind off--music can actually promote thought, and I think that some study or other was done that shows that musicians tend to get better grades than non-musicians, seen also in the success of programs like Baby Mozart (a program which plays music for children to stimulate, not inhibit, mental activity). Besides, comparing music to WoW? I'm sorry, but in my opinion that's a ridiculous and unsupported connection, mostly because WoW players atrophy in front of a computer and music listeners enrich themselves with a wide variety of types of music. Hell, music is educational for all of the math in the rhythms, for the complex interactions between sometimes disparate elements, for providing a new way of looking at the same things (after all, so much of modern music is built from the same instruments)

Pimppeter2 said:
Kids are doing homework while listen to music. Working out while listening to music. Gaming while listening to music. Sleeping to music being blasted in their ears. Doing chores while listening to music. Driving while listening to music. All in a single motherfucking day.
You seem to disregard how many different types of music there are--after all, music is an entire medium which you're blanketing with a single statement. In 'a single motherfucking day', someone could listen to jazz (in its many forms), rock (again, in its many forms), hip hop, funk, classical (from hundreds of years worth of compositions), bluegrass, pop, blues, metal... and that's just a tiny sampling of the music commonly listened to in the western world alone. There isn't a lack of variety in the medium, and one could go an entire lifetime without listening to the same song twice. Besides, people listen to music while they do other things for the same reason that movies and games have soundtracks--it just makes them a lot more interesting.

However, I do think that people shoving headphones in their ears before you're done talking to them is just rude. I don't think that that has anything to do with the music, and instead has more to do with modern society's near total disregard for other people. Next time someone does that, blame their lack of manners rather than their choice of music.

In summary, I think that either you're listening to the wrong music--if you find it sickening--or you just don't like it. If it's the former, I'd be happy to try and help you find something you like. If it's the latter, then that's fine, just don't try to tear it down for the rest of us. Maybe it's just because I'm a musician, but I feel that music can have a strong and positive impact on a person, and I don't believe that it's the great poisonous evil that you seem to claim that it is. I guess that I just don't see why you seem to be raging against music; it's ultimately harmless.

Sorry about the rant, it's just that music is a huge part of who I am, so I guess I'm just defending myself here.

[sub]The summary, for people who don't want to open the spoiler box, is that I'm defending music.[/sub]
I'm not attacking music, but rather the people that use it as a constant mean to fill their lives with noise. I don't think that its healthy to listen to music all day every single day for hours on end. Especially when you're not even listening, but rather just using it as noise to constantly fill your mind. I think that is unhealthy.
Alright, sorry to have misunderstood. However, I still disagree with you. I fill my days with music, and I do it because it provides a good background for my life which adds to my environment (in my opinion). I don't think that there's anything unhealthy about stimulating your mind with music. Besides, just because someone isn't actively listening doesn't mean that they aren't appreciating the music.

To each his own, I guess. If you don't like surrounding yourself with music, you don't have to. If you like music, you can listen to it as often as you want.
 

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i don't listen to music much (i don't even have an ipod, and i use the radio for news), but i sing ALL day long. music is my drug and my motivation-being hypo-oxygenated all day doesn't hurt the high either. ^_^
 

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Sounds like typical teenage behavour to me.

Its like the old cliche of the moody teenager locking themselves in their room with the music blaring,well now they're able to carry their moody isolation around with them.

In my day it was tapes or a clunky walkman cd player,which was just a pain in the arse to carry around.
 

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bassdrum said:
Pimppeter2 said:
bassdrum said:
Well, being a musician, I love music. I listen to it pretty much every time I have the chance. Hell, I spent pretty much all of middle/high school in the music building at my school, playing music or listening to it. Whenever I do anything with a computer (write papers, use the internet, etc.) I have my headphones on to listen to music.

However, it's not escapism, and it's not mindless background noise. I listen to music both because it's aurally interesting and can be the focus of my thoughts (seriously, just put on a song--any song--and just really, really listen to it) and also because it functions like a soundtrack for my life, something more interesting than the dull roar of a washing machine or the hum of a whirring computer fan.

Pimppeter2 said:
Ergo, I believe that this has become some sort of disgusting habit. Frankly I find it unnatural to have music pumped into your brain every single day for more than 3 hours a day. It?s sickening to have music blasted into your head constantly. It a way of blocking off mental awareness and consciousness. Music is a form of escapism; but it become like a magical get away drug for today?s youth. I find this no healthier than those MMO players that play WoW for 20 hours a day or what not. ?
I disagree with this. Music isn't poison, and it isn't a 'magical drug' that blocks your mind off--music can actually promote thought, and I think that some study or other was done that shows that musicians tend to get better grades than non-musicians, seen also in the success of programs like Baby Mozart (a program which plays music for children to stimulate, not inhibit, mental activity). Besides, comparing music to WoW? I'm sorry, but in my opinion that's a ridiculous and unsupported connection, mostly because WoW players atrophy in front of a computer and music listeners enrich themselves with a wide variety of types of music. Hell, music is educational for all of the math in the rhythms, for the complex interactions between sometimes disparate elements, for providing a new way of looking at the same things (after all, so much of modern music is built from the same instruments)

Pimppeter2 said:
Kids are doing homework while listen to music. Working out while listening to music. Gaming while listening to music. Sleeping to music being blasted in their ears. Doing chores while listening to music. Driving while listening to music. All in a single motherfucking day.
You seem to disregard how many different types of music there are--after all, music is an entire medium which you're blanketing with a single statement. In 'a single motherfucking day', someone could listen to jazz (in its many forms), rock (again, in its many forms), hip hop, funk, classical (from hundreds of years worth of compositions), bluegrass, pop, blues, metal... and that's just a tiny sampling of the music commonly listened to in the western world alone. There isn't a lack of variety in the medium, and one could go an entire lifetime without listening to the same song twice. Besides, people listen to music while they do other things for the same reason that movies and games have soundtracks--it just makes them a lot more interesting.

However, I do think that people shoving headphones in their ears before you're done talking to them is just rude. I don't think that that has anything to do with the music, and instead has more to do with modern society's near total disregard for other people. Next time someone does that, blame their lack of manners rather than their choice of music.

In summary, I think that either you're listening to the wrong music--if you find it sickening--or you just don't like it. If it's the former, I'd be happy to try and help you find something you like. If it's the latter, then that's fine, just don't try to tear it down for the rest of us. Maybe it's just because I'm a musician, but I feel that music can have a strong and positive impact on a person, and I don't believe that it's the great poisonous evil that you seem to claim that it is. I guess that I just don't see why you seem to be raging against music; it's ultimately harmless.

Sorry about the rant, it's just that music is a huge part of who I am, so I guess I'm just defending myself here.

[sub]The summary, for people who don't want to open the spoiler box, is that I'm defending music.[/sub]
I'm not attacking music, but rather the people that use it as a constant mean to fill their lives with noise. I don't think that its healthy to listen to music all day every single day for hours on end. Especially when you're not even listening, but rather just using it as noise to constantly fill your mind. I think that is unhealthy.
Alright, sorry to have misunderstood. However, I still disagree with you. I fill my days with music, and I do it because it provides a good background for my life which adds to my environment (in my opinion). I don't think that there's anything unhealthy about stimulating your mind with music. Besides, just because someone isn't actively listening doesn't mean that they aren't appreciating the music.

To each his own, I guess. If you don't like surrounding yourself with music, you don't have to. If you like music, you can listen to it as often as you want.
Fair enough. I've been described as a very black and white person. (You're either with me, or against me. Cowboy style)

I just cannot understand the desire to fill every waking second with noise. Hence my problem with Ipods and headphones, because they send the noise directly to you distracting you of your surroundings and capability to think.

I think if I was forced to do this I'd probably end up in an asylum in California or something. I'm just a man who cherishes quiet and thought.
 

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I kind of agree (except the pretentious "I say it's unnatural!" part). Some people just keep their earphones in all day and it makes them very unsociable, personally I will only listen to music while I'm out if I'm not with anyone at that moment, otherwise it's kinda rude to the other person, and I prefer chatting anyway.

I also can't listen to music constantly before it just starts to get tiring, so when listening to my own music, at most I'll have it on for an hour a day; and usually at home or in the car. If I'm at a club it's fine though because it's all background music.
 

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By calling your demographic, (in this case) us, only proves his point. You're representing that theres a whole lot of you who can't function with out it.
It boggles my mind that this discussion is even going on. Since when was it a crime to enjoy music? Fucking hell, all of a sudden music appreciation is uncool. Personally, I see it as being pretty abnormal if you can't appreciate music - we're constantly surrounded by it, and it's a major part of pretty much every culture on our planet. Sure I can't function without it, just like a lot of people can't function without complaining about every little fucking thing they hate and hope others will give a fuck.
 

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While I think it's rude of your friend to play music in his ear while he's having a conversation with you and you have every right to irritated by that. Also from my perspective, I think it's very annoying that all the music all the kids at my school listen to (for the most part) are about fuckin bitchez and gettin moaney and they should NOT be listening to that garbage AT ALL let alone all day... as for it replacing conscious thought, no, the right music, the emotionally charged, important, social commenting, psychologically challenging etc music (A good example is Art Rock) doesn't REPLACE but rather, encourages and sparks conscious thought. I like to think the music I listen to has a level of sophistication to it and it makes me proud of one of my deepest passions
 

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Lol, music is my life. You have to understand that music to a musician at least is worlds different than music to a non-musician.