Has Pixar lost its touch?

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DevilWithaHalo

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While Pixar certainly isn't losing it's touch, there's a fair amount of controversy regarding the realm of the Disney Princess. One of the problems is the over saturation of the same storyline; Princess wants to rebel OR hero becomes Prince to save princess. Pixar went for the slightly less popular version because it targets a demographic that's growing out of the princess phase (we hope) and thus less likely to be interested in princess related media.

Movie Bob touched up on another big issue during his review of Up; the relationship dynamic between father and son is, unfortunately even in today's modern and feminist world, so much more compelling to us than the relationship between mother and daughter. This movie is a sad reflection of that idea.

Brave is by no means a bad movie. There were things that could have been flushed out more, but the plot was very direct, no major twists whatsoever, and a rediculous amount of male stereotyped characters. The only two major characters were a young woman trying to live life like a man and a mother who had to come to terms with being a bear. Once again we find ourselves with the dilemma of making a compelling female character in her own right.

What Pixar did manage to accomplish with all of this tired tropes should be commendable, because any other studio attempting the same thing would have been viciously attacked for it. If it were Disney by itself who would have just rolled their eyes at yet one more movie about princesses?

It was a cute flick, and I would suggest checking it out, but with the right expectations.
 

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Lilani said:
pilouuuu said:
While I still haven't seen Brave, I was disappointed by its bad reviews. Wow, two movies below the quality we expect from Pixar in a row. While the average ratio of quality productions is still amazing I'm starting to get afraid that they may be catering to much to the lowest denominator and in a few years we may only get run of the mill commercial movies from them and not the pieces of art we were used since Toy Story.

What's your opinion? Did you like Brave? Have they lost their touch? Will the next movie be better?
I think Moviebob said it well: Pixar's problem is that they're Pixar. People are expecting to get blown out of the water every time. And when that doesn't happen, it's seen as a failure. It can still be a wonderful movie by all accounts, but if it doesn't blow people's minds it's a step back. And while that isn't an excuse for any legitimate mistakes they make, it does lead the public to blow those mistakes out of proportion in ways they never would have if it had been made by any other studio. And it doesn't help that their last film was Cars 2, which most consider a resounding failure (though I feel it still did what it set out to do, it just didn't set out to pull at your heartstrings and the hardcore fans didn't know what to do with that), and that means since Brave wasn't perfect everybody's getting all hysterical and apocalyptic, "OH NO, PIXAR IS DYING! THEY'RE SELLING OUT! WHAAAA!" Lordy. Again, all this drama wouldn't be happening if it were any other studio.
Maybe it's because there just doesn't seem to be anything memorable about it (I haven't seen it either btw).

There are multiple Pixar movies that I don't like, but all of them are atleast memorable in some way. Even Cars. But when I saw the trailers for Brave I was struck by a disproportionate amount of meh. No "awesome", "cool", or "this is shit", just "meh". And sometimes that's even worse than the movie being outright bad.
 

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Last time I've check it was mostly good and while Moviebob had some complain about it in his Intermission article he still say it's a good film.
I mean Car 2 was bad as it was more as a money pull franchise instead of being unquie setting/ theme with a lesson/ moral to it while still being funny and fun for both kid and adult to watch.

Dryk said:
I haven't seen it yet, but I say if they want to spread out an experiment with conventional stories and try something different for a while let them.

Also look at their upcoming films after Monsters University:

The Good Dinosaur: A film about a world where dinosaurs never went extinct
"The Untitled Pixar Movie that Takes You Inside the Mind"
"The Untitled Pixar Movie About Día de los Muertos"

Not to mention that considering how long it takes to make these movies we're probably just now seeing to effects of something that happened a few years ago. Executive meddling? Lack of ideas? I have no idea!
Interesting last time I read about these future films, one of them was about a rare Newt who meet another female newt in order to mate to save their species (I think it was something to do with geniue loved or just to force to be in loved to save their species). Maybe the had scrap it since it sound abit similar to that film Rio.
Yeah I'm not too keen with Monster University as I feel it could had the same effect as Car 2. (Did they really intend to make it in the first place or give into fan demand for more Monster Inc?)
I'm surprised!

I thought I was the only one on this site that saw Rio (By the way, Blue Sky only made two good movies IMO, Rio and Ice Age 1)

Nowadays, you look at stuff they're making and you can see shit and good stuff. Pixar is automatically good usually (Cars (2) is the real iffy one for some). Dreamworks is half and half, sometimes its fucking great (AKA How to Train Your Dragon) sometimes is shite (Shrek 4). Then Blue Sky likes making money off of Ice Age with only one new movie every blue moon that suffers the 70% chance of being awful and 30% chance of being good.

Reading about upcoming pixar movies does look good. Monsters University does have that "feel" that it'll be good.
 

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Could be the crazy expectations everyone has for the release of any Pixar movie. After the Toy Story series, Up, WALL-E and Ratatouille, everyone expects Pixar to put out critically acclaimed films all the time. While they are certainly striving for it, you're never going to like 100% of their releases.

So Cars 2 and Brave were less than stellar... so what? Pixar still has a friend in me.