Has technology removed all honour and skill from warfare?

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BehattedWanderer

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Champthrax said:
As per the title, do you think that as we have advanced technologically, the honour and martial skill aspects of warfare have been greatly diminished?
What nonsense is this? The Romans were a people of law, who practiced warfare as a means of extending civilization, not of some kind of great personal triumph (usually). Their enemies were the ones who found glory in battle. The Goths and Gauls were groups without the need for civilization, and found war to be the highest achievement. The concept of the "valorous knight" is also ridiculous. Men that were built from youth to be nothing but tools of a lord, not to defend their own honor, but the honor of a man will increasingly more power than them, without any other reason than "because he wants people on the other side to die".

Honor on the battlefield is not a civilized concept. The Iliad might paint it that way, much as the advertisements for the U.S. Marines tell you all about glory, without ever mentioning that Marines are always the ones dropped into a hotspot of great risk, to clear something out. In Napoleonic warfare, they'd be called "cannon fodder", groups sent in to distract the artillery so a more tactical strike was used--and you'll recall that in that particular kind of warfare, the idea isn't valorous hand-to-hand combat, but to fill as much square-footage of land and air with as possible. Honor on the battlefield is a lie told to soldiers to get them to keep fighting.
 

Scarim Coral

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I would say that "skill" had been remove, more like evolve and also no the soldier trainings is not less compare to the olden days sword weilding solider. To become a morden day soldier you have to go to training camp and if the media portarying it is anywhere near truth then I can assure you that it will be difficult just as a roman soldier had to experience. They both share hardship that neither can be judge as being better than the other.

While a gun war is far more dangerous compare to hand to hand but the old fashion way isn't all that safe either like e.g. getting a infection from a stab wound and even then a solider decision on his swordplay is a matter of life or death if he can outwit/ out perform his sword weilding enemy aswell.

Also your lgoic is flaw as in a teen pick up a gun as I assume a kid picking up a sword is also dangerous aswell especially in their immorall use for it (e.g. knife crime).

Lastly since when was War had ever been honur? Sure there had been honurs during a war but it is the people who choose it and it is not a law that every soldier must carry out.
 

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What. This discussion again. Yes, technology has killed honor. Nowadays, it is common to jab people in the back with pointy sticks instead of pummeling them with fists as is the only true measure of one's mettle. Lately I've heard that some have taken to tossing these pointy sticks through the air, thus cowardly removing themselves from retaliatory pummeling altogether! Will this technological mayhem never end!?

As for one's personal stake in battle, does anyone really think that Xerxes politely asked the opinion of each and every one of his foot soldiers to see if they wanted to be hurled at the Spartans? For that matter, did Ramses II or Sargon the Conqueror? Sure, they grabbed what they could if they got the chance to loot a city, but they were lucky if they got fed decently, let alone paid. Expecting their political aspirations to be met would be like asking for the moon with a side order of it ain't gonna happen.
 

triggrhappy94

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Knowing absolutely nothing about warfare beyond news, history book, and entertainment.
I'd say honor is too hard to define and you could say most things are honorable as longas you aren't nuking innocent people.
Skill, depends on where you are. If Battlefield 3 is an indicator of anything, it's that jets require a lot of skill to fly right-side-up and not crashing into walls.
 

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You can keep your honour. As far as i'm concerned, terrorists have no honour as they're willing to target innocents. The two people piloting the MQ-9 that bombs the crap out of a terror stronghold have far more honour.

Why?

Because Stealth, Laser Guided Missiles. That's freaking why.
 

RatRace123

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War has long since stopped being about honor. The existence of a valiant defense against an evil force is an ancient concept, if it ever existed at all. War is a complex thing with no right answer, involving thousands of people fighting enemies they may know nothing about, on the vague orders of people they've never met for a conflict they may not even believe in. I'm not saying armed conflict isn't justified, but I don't think it usually has a code of honor about it.

As for skill, you still need to be able to point and shoot, so no, technology hasn't ruined that aspect.
 
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yep...there's something special about combatants scrambling to kill eachother to survive. whereas these days its nothing more than a fatal game of hide and seek
 

General Twinkletoes

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That is a whole load of bullshit. You think soldiers today aren't skilled?

Also, battles in medieval times were huge clusterfucks where you got killed by someone you couldn't possibly have defended against, and you targeted people with their backs turned.