Has the nuclear bomb stunted technological growth for mankind?

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shannon.archer

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One engineering lesson my teacher explains: The greatest progression in technology is caused by wars. I found this to be universally true as the incentive for countries to substantially fund research is there. Then i thought well if the nuclear bomb is stopping any wars from occuring then where is that incentive to advance?

many things have come from wars i mean aeroplanes, computers etc have all been advanced because of the need to destroy our fellow humans more efficiently. What are your thoughts?
 

teisjm

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The nuke hasn't stopped war. The wars in Irak and Afghanistan started after the nuke was invented, so did Vietnam and many other wars.

The military is still inventing new ways to kill each other, so unless every country in the world gets nukes, and the will to use them against civilians, should their country be invaded, i don't think the it will stop the military from developing new tec
 

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teisjm said:
The nuke hasn't stopped war. The wars in Irak and Afghanistan started after the nuke was invented, so did Vietnam and many other wars.

The military is still inventing new ways to kill each other, so unless every country in the world gets nukes, and the will to use them against civilians, should their country be invaded, i don't think the it will stop the military from developing new tec
Yes, but the nuke is also there as a deterrent to stop wars and also if the nuke wasn't invented, how would the end of WW2 turned out? It could have been different.

Yes the military is trying out new ways to kill each other, it does not stop technological development in other areas of life.
 

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The problem with the theory is that most people in charge view nukes as a last ditch measure. Wars have been started since the invention of the nuke. Instead of using nukes, militaries just work to make conventional weapons deadlier, paving the way for progress in other areas.

And while I agree with you on the subject of military weapons bringing about advances, I think that most major advances had been built with either a) Civilian use first and foremost, with weaponization as an afterthought, or b) The military had no interest in it until some event convinced them to use it.
 

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aeroplanes and computers weren't invented for war, they were invented for travel and architechture respectively. Nuclear arms just force wars to be more underhand, the lies behind the excuses confuse everyone so much that no-one is even sure why they are at war in the first place. All military technology stagnates and cripples progress in fields that might actually be usefull. nuclear arms simply demonise nuclear power. our addiction to wars about oil suck in resources that could be used to research alternative fuels.
 

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Also, the nuke can render itself useless, onec both sides have it. If they're both sane they'll never fire it, even if they're invaded, becasue beeing invaded and loosing is better than beeing blown into oblivion, therefore it won't be a threat seeing as most sane leaders wouldn't do a national kamikaze, including civilians, to take out the enemy including it's civilians.
Once both sides has nukes, it's only a usefull weapon in the hand of selfish tyrans who doens't give a shit for their people
 

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I strongly agree with teisjm.
The atomic bomb made the large scale WW2 wars between super powers pretty much unacceptable. In the most cases the point of any war (at least according to von Clausewitz) is achieving certain political goal (to acquire territory, resources, geopolitical dominance to name just a few). The bigger the goal, the bigger the price the belligerent is ready to pay. An all out nuclear war has such potential devastating effects that no goal it can possibly achieve is worth the suffering. When USA and USSR gained the BOMB that meant an end of the total wars between superpowers, at least for the time being.
However that didn't spell the end of the armed conflict by any chance. It only changed the rules a bit. Consider how bloody was the second part of the 20th century - the Middle East conflicts, Korea, Vietnam, Iran-Iraq war, Afghanistan, Operation Desert storm...The weapons devised along with these clashes gave rise to exceptional technology advances - modern microprocessor computers, satellite communications, cell phones.
Moreover, the atomic weapons gave USA stimulus to research potential countermeasures to this threat and that also benefits technological progress. So you see - the nuke hasn't stopped our technological growth, it has stimulated it.
 

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While it is true that war does rapidly move technology unlike anything else (blood donations, superglue, rockets, nuclear weaponry, helicopters just to name a few) the idea of starting a war just to progress technology is laughable. Technology moves fairly rapidly as it is now, have a look at any uni textbook from 30 years ago and look at it today and we've learnt a lot.

Nuclear weaponry isn't holding anything back, the fact it exists is scary enough as it is.
 

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I don't think that nuclear weapons have stopped technological growth in times of warfare; it's the nature of modern warfare. It seems a lot of wars fought since WW2 have not involved attritional warfare between two large armies (like in WW2)-both the first and second Gulf Wars involved a sustained offensive over a short period of time, and in Vietnam the territory meant that there were lots of relatively small skirmishes (I say small in the context of various battles in WW2 which lasted weeks or months).

A lot of modern warfare, like in Iraq, involves fighting against guerrillas in civilian areas, meaning that you can't use any weapons that involve large scale destruction, so all you can use against them are conventional arms, air strikes against known enemy strongholds and tanks, and the technology we have at the moment can comfortably handles the demands of the frontline.

Admittedly there are still issues with the equipment we are sending to our troops, but that's more a matter of supply than the actual technology.
 

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The invention of the Nuclear Bomb has indeed stalled research. Not only did the Manhattan Project distract many engenius researchers form perfecting new technologies to the benefit of all mankind, just think of what the research funding for nukes during the Cold War could have been used for! When we could have furthered our technological advances, we instead created man made Armageddon.
 

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teisjm said:
The nuke hasn't stopped war. The wars in Irak and Afghanistan started after the nuke was invented, so did Vietnam and many other wars.

The military is still inventing new ways to kill each other, so unless every country in the world gets nukes, and the will to use them against civilians, should their country be invaded, i don't think the it will stop the military from developing new tec
The difference being it wasn't a war, it was more an invasion (Iraq and Afghanistan).

Also you are right, last I checked the military is still inventing new ways to murder. Aren't they perfecting the laser as we speak?

EDIT: Granted, I will say growth has slowed down a bit, but people claim this is our technological peak (something they said some fifty years ago) and we appear to be arrogant enough to be 'past' real war, only resorting to invasions. If we had proper wars with the looming threat of being attacked in our home turf, then perhaps the scramble to develop new forms of defence would increase technological growth.
 

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One engineering lesson my teacher explains: The greatest progression in technology is caused by wars.
You're "engineering teacher" (shop teacher I presume) is oversimplyfing.

. Then i thought well if the nuclear bomb is stopping any wars from occuring then where is that incentive to advance?
Explain computers then, that were developed after the nuclear bomb has been dropped.

War is a great funder for scientific advancement, but not because war is war. No, its because any advantage over the enemy can lead to victory and resources, so the military is much more willing to cough up the money required for something that only might have some advantage.

The real reason why wars fund research is that it creates the kind of pressure where having the technological advantage is a very worthwhile investment.

Microelectronics got a huge boost because people were buying them: cellphones, MP3 players, etc. are a very profitable thing and people making them have good reasons to make more research into the engineering and science behind that.

At some point curiously, is that if you spend too much money on research, you'll end up taking away money from conventional forces. That's one of the reasons why the Third Reich fallen: they were investing in all sorts of ineffective, bullshit stuff instead of using the same resources to make more tanks and troops. Of course the reason for the fall of the Third Reich is many, including embracing beliefs and policies that were counter-productive.

many things have come from wars i mean aeroplanes, computers etc have all been advanced because of the need to destroy our fellow humans more efficiently. What are your thoughts?
Computers and aeroplanes, while they received a significant boost, weren't developed necessarily because of military interest. No, it was a bunch of rich hobbyist that invested into refining the aeroplane's design until it became something usable. From there on, there were people that could invest their efforts into studying and improving aeroplanes.

i thought well if the nuclear bomb is stopping any wars from occuring
The nuclear bomb does not stop wars. It merely deters large-scale wars with nations that have such weapons. Wars on a smaller scale still happen or even wars between nations that do not have nuclear weapons.

Yes, but the nuke is also there as a deterrent to stop wars and also if the nuke wasn't invented, how would the end of WW2 turned out? It could have been different.
Not by much. The Third Reich's fall was inevitable and Japan's ass has been wiped clean with constant, never-ending bombing (with conventional bombs).

our addiction to wars about oil suck in resources that could be used to research alternative fuels.
You're oversimplyfing your "addiction to oil" bit. Modern industry and transportation relies on oil and there is simply no readily-at-hand substitute.

The rising oil prices has been slowly funding more alternative energy sources. When the price tag for oil rises more and more, there will be incentive to look more and more into alternatives. Not because alternatives are holy or great, but because that is the practical solution and refusal to follow it will look stupid.

Not only did the Manhattan Project distract many engenius researchers form perfecting new technologies to the benefit of all mankind,
Like what?

Oh, I know! A practical, powerful heat-based power source that uses very little fuel to supply tremendous energy, relying only on water and fuel, while being independent and isolated from the outside world. All while producing waste only in the form of small, easily-handled solids that could be recycled.

Oh, wait.

Environmentalists hate it because... because... well, because its evil. Let's drop it and go back to mills.

just think of what the research funding for nukes during the Cold War could have been used for!
Like what?

When we could have furthered our technological advances, we instead created man made Armageddon.
Again, like what?

Prove that the research and development of nuclear arments has stagnated scientific and engineering development.

Aren't they perfecting the laser as we speak?
Only as an anti-air defence, not really as a hand-held or even mobile weapon. That, and they're still in prototype stages.
 

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shannon.archer said:
One engineering lesson my teacher explains: The greatest progression in technology is caused by wars. I found this to be universally true as the incentive for countries to substantially fund research is there. Then i thought well if the nuclear bomb is stopping any wars from occuring then where is that incentive to advance?

many things have come from wars i mean aeroplanes, computers etc have all been advanced because of the need to destroy our fellow humans more efficiently. What are your thoughts?
You raise an interesting point. A lot of technology also comes from business and other commercial needs. The LHC is a good example of non-military motivated scientific development. A lot of medical practices certainly developed from war.

I don't think nuclear weapons stop wars from occurring, mutually assured destruction only really dictates that they are redundant in war. We still see wars occurring and are likely to see more between developed nations over things like oil.

With global warming a threat it is likely that we will see more investment in scientific and technology to help combat the problems we face.
 

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shannon.archer said:
One engineering lesson my teacher explains: The greatest progression in technology is caused by wars. I found this to be universally true as the incentive for countries to substantially fund research is there. Then i thought well if the nuclear bomb is stopping any wars from occuring then where is that incentive to advance?
Nuclear weapons limit "total war", forcing us to keep warfare within certain culturally-defined boundaries. For most of recorded human history, this is the way war has worked anyway.

-- Alex
 

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Silverwebsurfer said:
aeroplanes and computers weren't invented for war,
True but do you truly believe that after the wright brothers first flight in 1914 that in only 19years that QANTAS would be launching its first commercial flights. We are going from canvas to steel in less then two decades. Is it a coincidence that world war one occured within those 19 years. As for computers they only really flourished with the cold war in which the space race between russia and america occured. Wait... That was after the nuclear bomb... hmm
 

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The twentieth century had more innovation, more discovery, and more drastic social and technological change than any previous one. I can't imagine that we could change any faster than we have been in the past six decades or so.
 

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ANyone else notice that computers were developed after nukes?
I'd say no, technological development was just beginning.
 

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i'm just gonna put this out there, wasnt the difference engine one of the first working computers, created by alan turing....so he could crack codes during world war 1 (or 2 cant remember which) anywho!

I think a huge advancement is being released soon enough, Electronic paper. I can't wait :-D
I read about it during the week, I think its being released later this year. That's one step closer to nokias nano-phone (if you haven't heard about this, its freakin' awesome)
 

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The advent of nuclear technology isn't stopping any progress, and in fact it could be developed even further into bigger and better things, but there are factors that are greatly hindering it, at least in the case of the US. Environmentalist groups don't want anyone in the US to do anyting 'unnatural', according to what I've seen. Essentially, things have to be done their way or not at all. The success of their lobbying has definitely slowed progress; but, thankfully, not stopped it.