I mean politically correct. Sorry. But if you need help with a PC i might be able to...i am a technician! ^_^Zeeky_Santos said:
Has the world gone PC crazy!?
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We call that "reverse rasism" here is australia...well atleast they did in highschool and well I got called a rasist because I simply pointed out (quiet loudly and pissed off mind you, at assembly, while this idea was being introduced during reconciliation day) that I dont give a flying poo what you call it, it is still rasist, if an aboriginal wants to call me white etc etc it should be punished the same as me calling them a black etc etc.thedelightfulme said:
didnt go down well and I came very close to suspension...
just because I was the only NON rasist there :| well IMO
and to this day i still claim im right...
Forget history. Right now, white people are privileged and most minorities are strapped with stereotypes. Sure, there are certain white stereotypes, but they're not damaging; a lot of ethnic minorities in Western countries are raised in cultures where they are told they're expected to be a criminal: by television shows, by tabloid news articles, by random fuckwits on the street. Hell, virtually everyone is racist to some degree - even if they don't mean to, most people will treat people from different ethnic backgrounds differently, in some way.Anoctris said:
In that context, the simple black-and-white argument that we can be equally derogatory to all races just doesn't work. It's being wilfully blind to the context.
Even if all racial slurs had equal weight (and they don't, because of all the history and context), dropping a racial slur on a white person would still be less harmful because they have less pre-existing racial baggage: they're not constantly reminded of their ethnicity and judged by it when they meet new people (assuming they're in a white-majority country). A person who is visibly "different" from the majority already has a lot of baggage inherently, because even if they never get treated as inferior they will often get treated as a novelty; adding a racial slur to that is making a bad situation worse.
Your argument is like saying "punching a burns victim is equally as bad as punching a healthy person".
Welcome to the white majority. Monorities now have more rights and freedoms on discrimination than the Majority. But in a way, its a bit of an equalizer, since most minorities have been previously persecuted by the majorities... call it karma or payback.
Clearly you've never lived in the Deep South. We moved around a LOT while I was still school-aged. And living a few years on the Alabama border is a real eye opener. I don't think some of those people realize the 60s happened, or at least not the Civil Rights Movement. It's a sad fact, there is still racism out there.thedelightfulme said:
I do think a line should be drawn between "malicious racism/slander" and "a stupid, thoughtless comment." But eyes need to be opened about the thoughtlessness of these comments, too. Just because you didn't realize a comment was offensive, doesn't take the sting away from people who have been oppressed. This goes for sexism and discrimination based on sexuality or religion, too. Anyone who's not a white, upper-to-middle class Christian male has probably been discriminated against in the past. I know I have.
I do think it goes both ways, though. I think we ALL should be mindful of what we say (I know, crazy optimistic, utopia-inducing stupidity on my part), and that goes for racist comments about the aforementioned upper-to-middle class white, Christian men.
I explicitly said in my last post that all racial abuse is bad, and that my argument has nothing to do with history and everything to do with the situation today. If you're going to argue with me, pay attention to what I actually say instead of turning me into a straw man. You're putting words in my mouth based on what you expect me to say instead of what I am actually saying, which is this: all racial abuse is bad, but it's worse when it's directed against people that already have racial baggage.Anoctris said:
What made you think I was saying it's ok to punch people? Why do you think I chose "punching" as an analogy? Because it's a bad thing to do, but it hurts people who are already in pain more than it hurts people who aren't.Anoctris said:
Saying that "everyone can rise above their social influences" is not helpful. Sure, anybody can do well in school, but it's a lot easier when you're raised in a wealthy and highly educated family than when you're raised in the ghetto. Take language for example: if everyone around you speaks in slang and bad grammar, it's harder for you to learn to write and speak in formal English. Add the fact that a lot of people won't expect you to speak "properly" even before you open your mouth, and it becomes even harder. And then the fact that you use slang and crappy grammar is used to imply that you're just stupid.
Marginalised ethnic minorities don't have to "blame their current troubles on the tragedies and actions of others in the past"; they can blame their current troubles on their current tragedies and the fact that they're still being marginalised right now.
reverse-racism FTW
you're right it should work both ways, but it doesnt for some stupid reason. Or maybe white ppl just aren't as touchy about it because they dont feel as threatened by it.
you're right it should work both ways, but it doesnt for some stupid reason. Or maybe white ppl just aren't as touchy about it because they dont feel as threatened by it.
I'm beginning to think that "Political Correctness" is neither good or bad, but a description of a broad range of activities, some helpful, some harmful. If we could refine which "politically correct" activities promote freedom and which do not (and they don't), we would be a lot better off.
Probably because a massive percentage of the most prosperous nations are primarily white.Captain_Caveman said:
Sorry for double post, to anyone who honestly cares.
Sometimes, I do feel that the world has gone PC crazy. I've also seen the race card thrown around way too many times because something may not have went their way. I have friends who are from all nationalities and ethnic backgrounds from Chinese, Russian, British, African American, India and we always joke around and throw stereotypical racial slurs around for kicks. But then you'll get someone who takes things way too seriously.
I'm Canadian, I've heard the aboot and eh! jokes many times, but you have to joke about it. As my old friend The Joker once said "Why So Serious?"
Note: If you believe in God and the Bible, then you must believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing. If you believe in that, then you also believe that we are all related. So why the hate?
I'm Canadian, I've heard the aboot and eh! jokes many times, but you have to joke about it. As my old friend The Joker once said "Why So Serious?"
Note: If you believe in God and the Bible, then you must believe in the whole Adam and Eve thing. If you believe in that, then you also believe that we are all related. So why the hate?
You and I just have slightly different stances on the same issue. Neither one is wrong, just different ways of going about it. Yours is direct while mine is a little meeker, the soft approach. Doesn't mean they both can't work though.stinkychops said:
Hi folks,
A reminder, like in the other thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.107760?page=1]:
It is very easy to offer examples of different kinds of speech without actually filling your posts with racial slurs. Please do so.
(So far you're doing a little bit better than that other thread.)
-- Alex
A reminder, like in the other thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.107760?page=1]:
It is very easy to offer examples of different kinds of speech without actually filling your posts with racial slurs. Please do so.
(So far you're doing a little bit better than that other thread.)
-- Alex
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this thread was about personal computers.
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No, not really only on a public level must you be careful. When adressing a wide audience you typically have to be sensative to the most delicate of your audience memebers.
But person to person you can be as nasty as you want I often call my Best friend a Savage when he beats me in well... pretty much every game. I can do this because we have built the trust to joke with each other. If you've never met a person before that trust is not there so you must be PC.
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No, not really only on a public level must you be careful. When adressing a wide audience you typically have to be sensative to the most delicate of your audience memebers.
But person to person you can be as nasty as you want I often call my Best friend a Savage when he beats me in well... pretty much every game. I can do this because we have built the trust to joke with each other. If you've never met a person before that trust is not there so you must be PC.
I take it the fact none of the "FUCK JADE!" posse have responded to this post means their under powered brains haven't been able to justify their moronic, knee-jerk, idiotic opinions.brighteyesblackenedlungs said:
Goody wasn't a paragon of virtue by any means (I personally think she was an idiot), but the simple act of 'walking a mile in her shoes' will further understanding of her actions.
brighteyesblackenedlungs...power to you.