Has there ever been a GOOD film Prequel?

[Timboslice]

Guys, Star Wars episodes 1-3 ruled!!!...

Kidding aside, Star Trek was good.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

I'm sorry, No you're notbut after talking with my boss (I work at a comic store) and many other people, also pointing them in the direction of this thread I have come to the conclusion that you ARE wrong.So a comic book store employee has more to say on this than a philosophy of art professor or an assistant film producer? BWHAHAHAHA... I'm sorry, what were we saying?

And yes, you heard me. Different world etc, there are enough differences in Begins to Year one to say it's an alternate reality, timeline or what ever you'd like to call it.So the movie "The Crow" is in a different universe than the graphic novel? Careful how you cut that line, there are far more examples than you see on both sides.

Just because it was inspired etc doesn't mean dick when it comes down to its classification on whether it's a prequel or not.That's debatable. It may not mean everything, but saying it doesn't mean dick is a pretty big assertion.

In short, you can call it an adaptation, sure. But it's not a prequel, as it starts its own series and isn't set in one that's already in motion.They used a PREQUEL to set a new franchise in motion. Get that detail through your head, because it's about to come up again.

EDIT: In sort, it doesn't matter that Year One is a prequel when talking about Begins, because inspiration/influence is all they have to connect them.

"A prequel is a work that supplements a previously completed one, and has an earlier time setting. The widely recognized term was a 20th-century neologism, and a portmanteau from pre- (Latin for "before") and sequel (a supplementing work with a setting later than its predecessor's, from the Latin sequella, thing that follows). The prequel forms part of the back-story."

Begins isn't back story to an already established plot, it's the beginning of one.

We pretty much have to throw the part about 'completed' out, because far too many works are potentially or actually ongoing. Rather than discuss the definition of complete, we will have to use a better term, established, making the line ...supplements a previously established one...
So, having cleared up that bit of mud from your cited definition we can do some real work here.
'Begins' is a back story. It is the back story of an established character, the setting of the stage for more to come. In the case of a beginning, the more to come hasn't arrived yet. This is the tricky part to 'Begins': We know the players, we know many of the stories. Its a new movie franchise, but it isn't wholly undefined territory. We could say "oh, it's not completed which is really required for a prequel", but if that's the case than what the hell is Phantom Menace, since last I checked Lucas still wants more movies and the Star Wars mythos isn't a 'completed' one.

Year One is a prequel. Begins is based upon Year One (and don't go into that 'adaptation' stuff again, that's a poor standard given Marvel's penchant for ret-conning and the fact that the vast majority of movies based on other works go through massive changes and are still considered the movie version). Begins is based upon a prequel and the material it uses is established material. The only missing thing is a movie in the Begins franchise prior to Begins. Granted, that's huge, but the point I've been making since moment one of the discussion is this: That isn't enough by itself to disqualify Begins from being a prequel. If it is, than for some of the very reasons you've listed here, Phantom Menace can't be a prequel. Tell George he failed so bad that his own movies don't count as prequels or take Begins as having enough elements to possibly qualify as a wierd sort of prequel and leave me alone about this. Your choice, either way I win.

HA.

It's establishing a "New" Batman, a character with many versions and such. To say that it uses the same one as Year One is very assuming and rather arrogant.

You haven't said enough to prove that it IS a prequel either, this is full of double standards.

Phantom Menace is a prequel, as it delves into the past of the same universe as the earlier made films. Begins does not, I'm sorry. But you'll never convince me that it is.

"Begins as having enough elements to possibly qualify as a wierd sort of prequel and leave me alone about this." Why, because once again you admit it's not concrete? I'll leave you alone about this whole thing, because you have proven to me that you are not right with that one statement alone.

Sorry, but you didn't win. This is a stalemate at best for you.

I wouldn't bother replying to this, as I won't read it. The word possibly created a flaw in your argument that you can't fix.

 

[Nouw]

Star wars episode 2 was the most amazing prequel ever.

Not funny

Watch out man, he might not be joking. And hating on the Anakin/Padme thing is practically saying "I HATE DARTH VADER!!!"

OT: Hopefully the Alien Prequel will be good. Ridley Scott? Check and Mate!

So far no one has come up with something that is actually a prequel (unless I'm wrong about TGTBTU), not a reboot or a flat out sequel (T2... wtf).

You say no one has come up with any prequels, yet you chose to leave out all of the ones that were prequels:

Godfather 2
Rise of the Lycans
Casino Royale
Temple of Doom
Star wars PREQUEL trilogy.

I know you were probably generalising, but i was born to be anal.

Godfather 2 was half and half, I am not going to count that I'm sorry. (EDIT: I should clarify that I mean it is half sequel half prequel so I don't want to count it, if you count this there are a heck of a lot more sequels that you could now categorize as prequels just because of heavy flashbacks. PS: GF2 is one of my top 5 fave movies).
Rise of the Lycans... ain't exactly Shakespeare and I am a movie snob. But I am sure it was better than Underworld 2, that was horrible. I didn't even like the first one come to think of it :S
Casino Royale was a reboot.
Temple of Doom I acknowledged and called for the /thread
Star Wars prequels.... THEY ARE WIDELY DESPISED. Sure some people like them but I really think that it is too disputed that they are "good". Therefore I will not count them.

Of course this is my opinion, but a good majority of fans prefer the original trilogy to the prequels.

So if it is widely despised it isn't a Prequel? Thats too far mate.

 

[Miumaru]

Casino Royale, Star Trek (2009), Batman Begins. They're good.

Sorry but Star Trek 2009 and Batman begins were reboots not prequels.

So was Casino Royale if he means the not Bond one with the Daniel Craig guy saying he was Bond but doing all he can to NOT be Bond. Trying to not act like what you say you are does not make you improve it. (See sxample: Twilight)

 

[Captain Blackout]

I'm sorry, No you're notbut after talking with my boss (I work at a comic store) and many other people, also pointing them in the direction of this thread I have come to the conclusion that you ARE wrong.So a comic book store employee has more to say on this than a philosophy of art professor or an assistant film producer? BWHAHAHAHA... I'm sorry, what were we saying?

And yes, you heard me. Different world etc, there are enough differences in Begins to Year one to say it's an alternate reality, timeline or what ever you'd like to call it.So the movie "The Crow" is in a different universe than the graphic novel? Careful how you cut that line, there are far more examples than you see on both sides.

Just because it was inspired etc doesn't mean dick when it comes down to its classification on whether it's a prequel or not.That's debatable. It may not mean everything, but saying it doesn't mean dick is a pretty big assertion.

In short, you can call it an adaptation, sure. But it's not a prequel, as it starts its own series and isn't set in one that's already in motion.They used a PREQUEL to set a new franchise in motion. Get that detail through your head, because it's about to come up again.

EDIT: In sort, it doesn't matter that Year One is a prequel when talking about Begins, because inspiration/influence is all they have to connect them.

"A prequel is a work that supplements a previously completed one, and has an earlier time setting. The widely recognized term was a 20th-century neologism, and a portmanteau from pre- (Latin for "before") and sequel (a supplementing work with a setting later than its predecessor's, from the Latin sequella, thing that follows). The prequel forms part of the back-story."

Begins isn't back story to an already established plot, it's the beginning of one.

We pretty much have to throw the part about 'completed' out, because far too many works are potentially or actually ongoing. Rather than discuss the definition of complete, we will have to use a better term, established, making the line ...supplements a previously established one...
So, having cleared up that bit of mud from your cited definition we can do some real work here.
'Begins' is a back story. It is the back story of an established character, the setting of the stage for more to come. In the case of a beginning, the more to come hasn't arrived yet. This is the tricky part to 'Begins': We know the players, we know many of the stories. Its a new movie franchise, but it isn't wholly undefined territory. We could say "oh, it's not completed which is really required for a prequel", but if that's the case than what the hell is Phantom Menace, since last I checked Lucas still wants more movies and the Star Wars mythos isn't a 'completed' one.

Year One is a prequel. Begins is based upon Year One (and don't go into that 'adaptation' stuff again, that's a poor standard given Marvel's penchant for ret-conning and the fact that the vast majority of movies based on other works go through massive changes and are still considered the movie version). Begins is based upon a prequel and the material it uses is established material. The only missing thing is a movie in the Begins franchise prior to Begins. Granted, that's huge, but the point I've been making since moment one of the discussion is this: That isn't enough by itself to disqualify Begins from being a prequel. If it is, than for some of the very reasons you've listed here, Phantom Menace can't be a prequel. Tell George he failed so bad that his own movies don't count as prequels or take Begins as having enough elements to possibly qualify as a wierd sort of prequel and leave me alone about this. Your choice, either way I win.

HA.

It's establishing a "New" Batman, a character with many versions and such. To say that it uses the same one as Year One is very assuming and rather arrogant.

You haven't said enough to prove that it IS a prequel either, this is full of double standards.

Phantom Menace is a prequel, as it delves into the past of the same universe as the earlier made films. Begins does not, I'm sorry. But you'll never convince me that it is.

"Begins as having enough elements to possibly qualify as a wierd sort of prequel and leave me alone about this." Why, because once again you admit it's not concrete? I'll leave you alone about this whole thing, because you have proven to me that you are not right with that one statement alone.

Sorry, but you didn't win. This is a stalemate at best for you.

I wouldn't bother replying to this, as I won't read it. The word possibly created a flaw in your argument that you can't fix.

Too bad for you. I can prove by your standards why Menace isn't a prequel, but more importantly you missed an edit that you might have liked. Your loss. Call it a stalemate if you want, but this was never about convincing one another. I knew what I was after from the moment I started.

 

[spinFX]

Star wars episode 2 was the most amazing prequel ever.

Not funny

Watch out man, he might not be joking. And hating on the Anakin/Padme thing is practically saying "I HATE DARTH VADER!!!"

OT: Hopefully the Alien Prequel will be good. Ridley Scott? Check and Mate!

So far no one has come up with something that is actually a prequel (unless I'm wrong about TGTBTU), not a reboot or a flat out sequel (T2... wtf).

You say no one has come up with any prequels, yet you chose to leave out all of the ones that were prequels:

Godfather 2
Rise of the Lycans
Casino Royale
Temple of Doom
Star wars PREQUEL trilogy.

I know you were probably generalising, but i was born to be anal.

Godfather 2 was half and half, I am not going to count that I'm sorry. (EDIT: I should clarify that I mean it is half sequel half prequel so I don't want to count it, if you count this there are a heck of a lot more sequels that you could now categorize as prequels just because of heavy flashbacks. PS: GF2 is one of my top 5 fave movies).
Rise of the Lycans... ain't exactly Shakespeare and I am a movie snob. But I am sure it was better than Underworld 2, that was horrible. I didn't even like the first one come to think of it :S
Casino Royale was a reboot.
Temple of Doom I acknowledged and called for the /thread
Star Wars prequels.... THEY ARE WIDELY DESPISED. Sure some people like them but I really think that it is too disputed that they are "good". Therefore I will not count them.

Of course this is my opinion, but a good majority of fans prefer the original trilogy to the prequels.

So if it is widely despised it isn't a Prequel? Thats too far mate.

No... My god did you read the original post? "Has there ever been a GOOD film Prequel". If something is widely despised then it doesn't constitute a *GOOD* prequel.

So yeah. Oh snap.

 

[Nouw]

Star wars episode 2 was the most amazing prequel ever.

Not funny

Watch out man, he might not be joking. And hating on the Anakin/Padme thing is practically saying "I HATE DARTH VADER!!!"

OT: Hopefully the Alien Prequel will be good. Ridley Scott? Check and Mate!

So far no one has come up with something that is actually a prequel (unless I'm wrong about TGTBTU), not a reboot or a flat out sequel (T2... wtf).

You say no one has come up with any prequels, yet you chose to leave out all of the ones that were prequels:

Godfather 2
Rise of the Lycans
Casino Royale
Temple of Doom
Star wars PREQUEL trilogy.

I know you were probably generalising, but i was born to be anal.

Godfather 2 was half and half, I am not going to count that I'm sorry. (EDIT: I should clarify that I mean it is half sequel half prequel so I don't want to count it, if you count this there are a heck of a lot more sequels that you could now categorize as prequels just because of heavy flashbacks. PS: GF2 is one of my top 5 fave movies).
Rise of the Lycans... ain't exactly Shakespeare and I am a movie snob. But I am sure it was better than Underworld 2, that was horrible. I didn't even like the first one come to think of it :S
Casino Royale was a reboot.
Temple of Doom I acknowledged and called for the /thread
Star Wars prequels.... THEY ARE WIDELY DESPISED. Sure some people like them but I really think that it is too disputed that they are "good". Therefore I will not count them.

Of course this is my opinion, but a good majority of fans prefer the original trilogy to the prequels.

So if it is widely despised it isn't a Prequel? Thats too far mate.

No... My god did you read the original post? "Has there ever been a GOOD film Prequel". If something is widely despised then it doesn't constitute a *GOOD* prequel.

So yeah. Oh snap.

Oh good you replied. +100 Respect points. The last time I did that it was a more informal. Even more then that.

 

[Downfall89]

Hlaf of The Godfather Part 2 was a prequel, so I'm going to say that.

This. The prequal half of Godfather Part 2 was epic, like all of the Godfather. So I'm going to say yes, there are good film prequels.

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

Does 'Batman begins' count as a prequel?

Some people prefer to call it a reboot, some, a prequel. I don't know, it could go either way.

Here's why I'd call it a reboot and not a prequel. If it is a prequel, then I'm assuming it would be to the 1989 Tim Burton Batman that went on to spawn three other movies in the 90s. However, this cannot be the case since in that continuity Joker is responsible for killing the Waynes and not Joe Chill, as in Batman Begins.

 

[Brad Shepard]

I, for one, liked Revenge of the Sith.

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

What the hells a reboot in film? I've heard of remake but reboot?