Has Yahtzee ruined you?
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Beeing able to see flaws in a game is not "ruined" that's just beeing a good consumer.
People just buying whatever without seeing the flaws is what made Activision what it is today.
OT: No I have always been this way, even before I started watching ZP.
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[sub]*Disclaimer: unless it's something incredibly stupid an self-contradictory, like 90% of youtube comments.[/sub]
People just buying whatever without seeing the flaws is what made Activision what it is today.
OT: No I have always been this way, even before I started watching ZP.
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an oppinion can't be "wrong*", you might not share it and that's perfectly fine, but it does not make it wrong.Souplex said:
[sub]*Disclaimer: unless it's something incredibly stupid an self-contradictory, like 90% of youtube comments.[/sub]
I can't say that I agree with everything Yahtzee says. However he does point out those annoyances in games so much that I will sometimes pick up on some type of annoyances in a brand new game and say to myself "Yeah, I think Yahtzee will have a problem with this part of the game when he reviews it."
I do have to agree with him on his Kane & Lynch 2 review though in almost every way, and the mention to Jeff Gerstmann getting canned because of Eidos was simply awesome!
I do have to agree with him on his Kane & Lynch 2 review though in almost every way, and the mention to Jeff Gerstmann getting canned because of Eidos was simply awesome!
I find my taste has improved. I used to be a pretty blind consumer, to be honest.
Lapping up any crap that gets over-hyped.. Except Infinity Ward games. I wasn't THAT stupid.
Reading/watching those reviews where all the trash was praised for the sake of the review not looking like a hard-ass didn't help much either.
For ones ideals to be improved, they need to first be challenged. If you can say 'f**k you Yahtzee, I disagree with you' you have improved and reinforced your views, or if you find yourself agreeing with what he says, you're discovering what you really want from a game.
This is why I respect him as a reviewer. He challenges everything.
Which is also why I watch David and Margaret. You've got to have contrasting opinions.
Lapping up any crap that gets over-hyped.. Except Infinity Ward games. I wasn't THAT stupid.
Reading/watching those reviews where all the trash was praised for the sake of the review not looking like a hard-ass didn't help much either.
For ones ideals to be improved, they need to first be challenged. If you can say 'f**k you Yahtzee, I disagree with you' you have improved and reinforced your views, or if you find yourself agreeing with what he says, you're discovering what you really want from a game.
This is why I respect him as a reviewer. He challenges everything.
Which is also why I watch David and Margaret. You've got to have contrasting opinions.
Most of us just watch it for the lulz, he never changed my mind, he bashed lots of games I liked, and I laughed to it and I'm still doing it, and I don't like the games less than I used to after seeing ZP. I don't get mad when he does so as well, that is idiotic, still, some people still can't help it.
EXACTLY! This is what I guess I meant with my original post. It isn't that I just go along with what Yathzee says, but using his opinions to challenge mine to create a whole new look on gaming. I must admit in my case...maybe for the worse because I now notice things that annoy in a game which didn't before, but I can also appreciate the aspects I like better, or better appreciate a well made game.Murray Whitwell said:
You're a smart chap
Yahtzee has stated many times that he usually picks on games for the laughs. People don't dig it when he's being nice to a game.
So, take his reviews with a grain of salt.
So, take his reviews with a grain of salt.
No. Probably cause he's a comedian whose humour arises from noticing the flaws of games and exggerating them the the Nth degree. And a potty mouth.
Thats not to say I'm a fan, I just don't take his critiscm as seriously as I would Susan Ardnt's or John Funk's.
I have noticed that, while playing, I have started to develope the same sense of humour (albiet with less swearing but nontheless).
One example was when I was playing Uncharted 2, one of my favourite games, when I thought to myself "Nate's fingers have a large amount of disproportionate strength compared to the rest of his body. I'm surprised his hands don't look like those novelty clown gloves with the blown up, baloon digits"
Thats not to say I'm a fan, I just don't take his critiscm as seriously as I would Susan Ardnt's or John Funk's.
I have noticed that, while playing, I have started to develope the same sense of humour (albiet with less swearing but nontheless).
One example was when I was playing Uncharted 2, one of my favourite games, when I thought to myself "Nate's fingers have a large amount of disproportionate strength compared to the rest of his body. I'm surprised his hands don't look like those novelty clown gloves with the blown up, baloon digits"
I don't notice more flaws, but when I point them out, a friend of mine starts accusing me of 'just forming opinions based on ZP'
Half the time I didn't even realise ZP had picked up on the same flaw I found in such-and-such a game.
It's irritating to be accused of being a ZP Fanboy just because I (unwittingly) agree with him on occasion
Half the time I didn't even realise ZP had picked up on the same flaw I found in such-and-such a game.
It's irritating to be accused of being a ZP Fanboy just because I (unwittingly) agree with him on occasion
I haven't necessarily found Yahtzee's opinions to worm their way into my own view point but I do understand where dogenzakaminion is coming from. I just finished an english degree and now the way I look at books and what I expect from them is completely different. Getting into the nitty gritty like Yahtzee does definitely has the potential to make you less forgiving of flaws if you were fairly unpicky before hand (eg. I used to love Stephen King but now it's only really IT, Desperation and his short stories that can really hold my interest)
Yes, it's called gaining critical facilities and it's what sets Yahtzee apart from other reviewers. He won't just accept this shit, like cliches or unoticable flaws. I feel it has expanding my gaming life, allowing me to narrow my pool of favourites to one i could proudly present to anyone
I've become more critical, but Yahtzee isn't the only critic who I've learned from. I love reading/watching reviews, and over time I guess you just pick up on it yourself. I liked The World Ends with You when I first played it, but I picked it up the other day and found it laughable.
I loved Stephen King as a Freshman in high school, but by the time I graduated, I couldn't help but notice how inelegant his writing is, case in point being The Stand. At a certain point that book just became cringe-worthy every few pages. And it's not just Stephen King. I have a hard time giving any book a chance if the writing isn't up to par.Korenith said:
Well, Yahtzee has, if nothing else, trained me to at least LISTEN to critics. I have bought TWO truly terrible video games, played them both to completion (don't ask why), and I'm not going to make that mistake again.
Of course, I don't listen to just Yahtzee, I also look at other reviewers. Sometimes I won't listen to him at all, especially when he begins the review with a statement of contempt for the game (or the entire genre) BEFORE quantifying himself. Examples include Brawlers, racing games, Mario games (the length of the series alone is NOT a flaw, Ben!), and JRPGs.
It is an important thing when Yahtzee CAN'T find anything wrong with a game; that's always important. But negative criticism from him is like, well, a skin blemish-almost everyone has one, and their commonality tends to degrade their importance. It's when they're NOT there, that's when it's interesting.
Of course, I don't listen to just Yahtzee, I also look at other reviewers. Sometimes I won't listen to him at all, especially when he begins the review with a statement of contempt for the game (or the entire genre) BEFORE quantifying himself. Examples include Brawlers, racing games, Mario games (the length of the series alone is NOT a flaw, Ben!), and JRPGs.
It is an important thing when Yahtzee CAN'T find anything wrong with a game; that's always important. But negative criticism from him is like, well, a skin blemish-almost everyone has one, and their commonality tends to degrade their importance. It's when they're NOT there, that's when it's interesting.
Uhhh, no. The kinds of games I take to heart Yahtzee's opinions on whether or not to buy are ones that I would've reacted that way anyhow. The ones I don't agree on, I just snerk at and move on. For the record, he's dead wrong about Ghostbusters. Just about none of the things he complains about there really happened. (Well, not to ME. His copy must've been built out of suck and fail, while mine is awesome and creepy.)