'Hate on the Doorstep' Council estates, don't go to them

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Did they do a version in Scotland?

Cause several people have been murdered next to my gran and its filled with two-bit deadbeats.
There are some awesome documentarys about council estates in Scotland on Current.com, I couldn't imagine living there, as bad as it here I'm just thankful I don't live up in a bad part of Glasgow.

Found one of the Glasgow documentaries for you, it's a different thing, no really about racism, but it shows the same type of attitude and people as in the above documentary.

http://current.com/items/88245211_deadly-glasgow-teens.htm
Interesting wee documentary. I like how they put subtitles in for the people from Pollock too.
 

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I found it interesting that there was 'outrage' over this. Not with regards to the abuses levelled at the intrepid reporters (horrible though it was), but with other people claiming their town is misrepresented. If this was the minority, why was none of the allegedly pleasent majority stepping in to do something about it?

This is one amongst many things I hate about Britain nowadays, few people offer help to others, out of fear more than anything. Fear of suffering under a misdirected law system.
 

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wow i only watched the 30 second intro and i'm already shocked as hell! christ i thought racism was bad in america, this is just........wow, honestly im at a loss for words.
 

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I found it interesting that there was 'outrage' over this. Not with regards to the abuses levelled at the intrepid reporters (horrible though it was), but with other people claiming their town is misrepresented. If this was the minority, why was none of the allegedly pleasent majority stepping in to do something about it?

This is one amongst many things I hate about Britain nowadays, few people offer help to others, out of fear more than anything. Fear of suffering under a misdirected law system.
The law does need to be fixed so that people helping each other isn't punished.
 
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pretty much the same where i live in medway. the police refuse to do anything and will deliberatly wait longer when responding to violent incidents outside of the town centre.
problem is if the victims defend themselves the police will crack down on them becuase they are easier targets.
 
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Wow, and I thought that race relations over here in the states were bad. That's just...wow. I mean is this fairly common all over Britain or just in isolated pockets?

My family and I have gone through similar discrimnation before, but nowhere near this bad, and only once in a small town that's fairly infamous for having a bunch of racist pricks anyway.
 

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Last of the Chinchillas said:
Wow, and I thought that race relations over here in the states were bad. That's just...wow. I mean is this fairly common all over Britain or just in isolated pockets?
Dunno if it counts for anything, but I personally haven't seen anything like that before. Might just be because I've not been in the 'right' areas, but it's certainly not everywhere.
 

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Last of the Chinchillas said:
Wow, and I thought that race relations over here in the states were bad. That's just...wow. I mean is this fairly common all over Britain or just in isolated pockets?
It's hardly isolated, if you watch the whole of that documentary, when it's talking about the other Muslim dude who got beat up outside the pub, that's in a different estate and some guy got bottled for being Asian in my estate about a month ago.

People such as the ones seen in the film exist all over Britain, although it is only in the council estates, if you don't live in a council estate and don't have to spend much time in them you will rarely see that sort of stuff. However, in council estates that type of stuff happens all the time, you saw how much went on in that documentary and I'd say that's a pretty fair reflection on what it's like in most council estates.

But say you where just coming on holiday to Britain or something you'd be fine.
 
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Amnestic said:
Last of the Chinchillas said:
Wow, and I thought that race relations over here in the states were bad. That's just...wow. I mean is this fairly common all over Britain or just in isolated pockets?
Dunno if it counts for anything, but I personally haven't seen anything like that before. Might just be because I've not been in the 'right' areas, but it's certainly not everywhere.
Good to know, but I'm still just kind of dumbstruck that this sort of overt racism can exist anywhere in this day and age.
 
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-Orgasmatron- said:
Last of the Chinchillas said:
Wow, and I thought that race relations over here in the states were bad. That's just...wow. I mean is this fairly common all over Britain or just in isolated pockets?
It's hardly isolated, if you watch the whole of that documentary, when it's talking about the other Muslim dude who got beat up outside the pub, that's in a different estate and some guy got bottled for being Asian in my estate about a month ago.

People such as the ones seen in the film exist all over Britain, although it is only in the council estates, if you don't live in a council estate and don't have to spend much time in them you will rarely see that sort of stuff. However, in council estates that type of stuff happens all the time, you saw how much went on in that documentary and I'd say that's a pretty fair reflection on what it's like in most council estates.

But say you where just coming on holiday to Britain or something you'd be fine.
Enlighten me, please: what's a council estate?
 

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My Dad's family originate from Dundee, from as far back as the 1800s.

Anyone from Scotland like to clarify to the good folks here on the Escapist what Dundee's like?

Yeah, it's that bad
 

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Last of the Chinchillas said:
-Orgasmatron- said:
Last of the Chinchillas said:
Wow, and I thought that race relations over here in the states were bad. That's just...wow. I mean is this fairly common all over Britain or just in isolated pockets?
It's hardly isolated, if you watch the whole of that documentary, when it's talking about the other Muslim dude who got beat up outside the pub, that's in a different estate and some guy got bottled for being Asian in my estate about a month ago.

People such as the ones seen in the film exist all over Britain, although it is only in the council estates, if you don't live in a council estate and don't have to spend much time in them you will rarely see that sort of stuff. However, in council estates that type of stuff happens all the time, you saw how much went on in that documentary and I'd say that's a pretty fair reflection on what it's like in most council estates.

But say you where just coming on holiday to Britain or something you'd be fine.
Enlighten me, please: what's a council estate?
The council house is a form of public or social housing, primarily referred to in the United Kingdom. Council houses were built and operated by local councils to supply uncrowded, well built homes on secure tenancies at below market rents to primarily working class people. Council house development began in the late nineteenth century and peaked in the mid-20th century. Mid-20th century council housing including many large suburban "council estates", and also many urban developments featuring tower blocks. Some of these developments did not live up to the hopes of their supporters, and now suffer from urban blight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_house
 

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honestly ,i've been spat at in portsmouth for speaking german before. I'm not supriesed that non europians get that kind of shit too(and a lot worse as well).
 
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-Orgasmatron- said:
The council house is a form of public or social housing, primarily referred to in the United Kingdom. Council houses were built and operated by local councils to supply uncrowded, well built homes on secure tenancies at below market rents to primarily working class people. Council house development began in the late nineteenth century and peaked in the mid-20th century. Mid-20th century council housing including many large suburban "council estates", and also many urban developments featuring tower blocks. Some of these developments did not live up to the hopes of their supporters, and now suffer from urban blight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_house
Ah, of course! Should've checked Wikipedia.

Just finished watching the whole thing, and I'm blown away. I have never seen racism this bad ever. And you say you've faced similar problems despite being white and British? How in the hell does that work?
 

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So you're saying if I come to tour Europe next summer with a friend of mine, and we plan to fly in and out of London, that if we go tour England that I won't be able to walk down the street simply because I'm a white American?

Too bad. I'll either end up in the prisons or the hospital for my actions I guess.
 

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firedfns13 said:
Too bad. I'll either end up in the prisons or the hospital for my actions I guess.
Not really the best attitude to take when visiting foreign countries.
 

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A lot of the inbreds in that show are probably not just racist. I suspect that if they see anyone they don't recognise, they'll have a go, regardless of colour.

Because they're basically one step up from the missing link and have shit for brains, they'll pick on the first thing that they see as an easy target. Asians get the colour thing, I'd be attacked because I have red hair, tall people because they stand out, etc etc....

Racism is pretty bad on a lot of these estates, but don't think that because you're white, you'd escape any trouble.

I am firmly of the belief that we could easily do without a third of the under 25's in this country and that a syringe filled with poison is far cheaper than supporting these poor excuses for human beings throughout their lifetime of benefit scrounging.

People think they can change these louts, I'm sorry but I disagree. This country has let it go on for too long, it's a firmly engrained stain on their mentality and they aren't salvageable, they'll always be animals.

God I love living in the countryside, we get hoodies and chavs here, but they're so few and far between that simply ignoring them usually gets rid of them as they have no 'crew' in any great numbers.
 

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Last of the Chinchillas said:
-Orgasmatron- said:
The council house is a form of public or social housing, primarily referred to in the United Kingdom. Council houses were built and operated by local councils to supply uncrowded, well built homes on secure tenancies at below market rents to primarily working class people. Council house development began in the late nineteenth century and peaked in the mid-20th century. Mid-20th century council housing including many large suburban "council estates", and also many urban developments featuring tower blocks. Some of these developments did not live up to the hopes of their supporters, and now suffer from urban blight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_house
Ah, of course! Should've checked Wikipedia.

Just finished watching the whole thing, and I'm blown away. I have never seen racism this bad ever. And you say you've faced similar problems despite being white and British? How in the hell does that work?
Well you see, what I wrote in my OP about this not neccesarily being racist even though it is of course very racist. The people in the video are being racist for the hell of it, they want some reason to start on someone and all they need is a little bit to grab onto, in the majority of cases it's race/religion because that's the easiest thing to spot, but I've known people get that sort of abuse and I have aswel for a number of different things, like I said it can be anything from hair length to how you dress. It all ties in with incidents such as this one. -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sophie_Lancaster

With alot of racism the culprits will do it because 'They took our jobs!' and 'They're terrorists', or what not. But look at the people responsible in that video, they don't care about jobs/economys/nationalism/national security, they just wanna kick off and the biggest and easiest target for them is foriegners.

Infact a great recent example was a women who faced the same things as seen in this video because her daughter was disabled, she ended up driving away with her daughter and setting the car a light with the both of them in it. I'll try and find a link...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/8263027.stm

Bingo, I imagine she suffered much the same sort of stuff that the reporters in that documentary did.

Private Custard said:
A lot of the inbreds in that show are probably not just racist. I suspect that if they see anyone they don't recognise, they'll have a go, regardless of colour.

Because they're basically one step up from the missing link and have shit for brains, they'll pick on the first thing that they see as an easy target. Asians get the colour thing, I'd be attacked because I have red hair, tall people because they stand out, etc etc....

Racism is pretty bad on a lot of these estates, but don't think that because you're white, you'd escape any trouble.
Exactly, you know what I'm talking about.

firedfns13 said:
So you're saying if I come to tour Europe next summer with a friend of mine, and we plan to fly in and out of London, that if we go tour England that I won't be able to walk down the street simply because I'm a white American?

Too bad. I'll either end up in the prisons or the hospital for my actions I guess.
Not at all, you will have no reason to find yourself in the sort of area this goes on. However, if you were to go to for example the place in that documentary and started talking in an American accent, yep, you would get the same type of abuse them reporters did.