Hating Mainstream and You!

[Spirultima]

(Now i've been told my threads are a mess, and i agree with the person, so im going to try and make this one clear)

Mainstream as you all well know is when the mass of peoploe like something.

Usually mainstream is backed up by massive amounts of hype to get many types of people interested and by doing so, it catches on and attracts many people, including the undesirables (Who mainly get it just because "there friends have it" CoD: WaW is greatest example of this) and so brings the hate of the mainstream.

My argument is this: just because someone likes something, doesn't mean to say you should like it any more, or less then what you would if that person DIDN'T like. Halo 3 will be my example: Halo 3's story was bad, the gameplay was meh, but the multiplayer was fun, really fun, with friends only though. I'm not disliking Halo because its famous, i dislike it because in general, its not great.

Your opinion?

EDIT: I do NOT want this to be turned into a flame war please, opinion is all i ask for, if its negative, try to keep it civilised.

EDIT (part 2): Also CoD: WaW's only saving grace was Nazi Zombies, otherwise, personally, i think it was a lesser then average game

 

[BonsaiK]

I don't care about mainstream or not mainstream. The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'm actually so disconnected from mass opinion that I have no idea what is really popular with the masses anyway.

 

[LordGarbageMan]

I like halo only because you get vehicles that are a lot of fun. And custom games can be fun occasionally. Mainstream doesn't affect my opinion.

 

[Legion]

This looks like a thinly veiled Halo bashing thread, I recommend using a better example considering computer games now days are pretty much always mainstream.

Seriously, you know what this site is like, if you are going to give an example of mainstream to hate use something like Britney Spears which is less likely to get the thread locked or get people flaming each other.

Whether something is popular or not affects me in no way because I don't pay much attention to the mass media if I can help it.

Sometimes when something I like gets popular I get put off of it for a while because of all the idiots who won't shut up about it. I then eventually begin to get involved again once hearing about it no longer grates on my nerves.

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

 

[Froobyx]

With Halo I can't play with a load of random folk because they're most the time a bunch of dicks.

But I can spend hours playing custom games and forge with friends.

And don't have a massive go, I don't see anything wrong with the story I enjoy playing campaign on games.

I don't really go with everyone else, if I find a game I like the look of I'll get it.

 

[VargRaev]

I thougth (sp?) was gonna be about mainstream music...


I was wrong

 

[Emphraim]

Apart from halo and COD 4, I have no idea what the "mainstream" thinks is cool right now. I haven't seen a TV or online ad in several months now and my friends don't follow trends either.

 

[ZeroMachine]

I completely agree with you. Whenever I see someone hating on something and it's obviously because it's popular, I always sigh with dissapointment. It's so stupid. I've actually heard someone say "Yeah, it's cool, but I'm not going to get into it, it's too popular."

Seriously, anyone who thinks that way, what the fuck?

EDIT:

Hooray for another thinly veiled Halo bashing thread. Reported.

Seriously, you know what this site is like, if you are going to give an example of mainstream to hate use something like Britney Spears which is less likely to get the thread locked or get people flaming each other.

Whether something is popular or not affects me in no way because I don't pay much attention to the mass media if I can help it.

Sometimes when something I like gets popular I get put off of it for a while because of all the idiots who won't shut up about it. I then eventually begin to get involved again once hearing about it no longer grates on my nerves.

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

He's not bashing Halo. I think he's legitimately trying to make a point and he just chose a bad example.

Completely agree with you on BonsaiK, though. That's pretty sad that some people are just that against something.

 

[Spirultima]

I thougth (sp?) was gonna be about mainstream music...


I was wrong

I was talking about Mainstream in general, i just used games as an example.

A music example then: quite a few people hate Slipknot, but i will listen to two of there songs, there not THAT bad.

Example number 2, i hate The Enemy simply because they became famous for being so generic, no idea how they got famous...

 

[BonsaiK]

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

It's not flame-bait, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Others are more than welcome to disagree, and I'm sure that many do. I'm totally fine with that.

I also think Britney Spears is awesome.

 

[Kiutu]

I try not to hate mainstream just cause its mainstream...but its so hard when most people are idiots. With games though, mainstream atracts casual gamers (origional casual, not Wii casual, guys who dont always play but have a few games, not grandma) who have alot of jerks among them. Also have plenty who do not appreciate alot of the good things better games have. Most Halo fans never played the first, and maybe not played even 2 or 3's story, and just play the crappy online that I wish Halo never had.
The current CoD games that got really popular (4 and 5) I dont think are bad, but 2 was way better, and the leveling thing ruins it (for me atleast). And Nazi Zombies is boring.
Really, its the why things are mainstream that I hate these things. A non-gaming example are Uggz. Why are they popular? Because they are popular. They are ugly, and when I asked (when they started appearing) they said not because they were comfortable. Other girls just wear them cause other girls wear them.
Popular/Mainstream does not mean its good, but it would be nice if it did.

 

[ZeroMachine]

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

It's not flame-bait, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Others are more than welcome to disagree, and I'm sure that many do. I'm totally fine with that.

I also think Britney Spears is awesome.

BonsaiK, if you say it the way you did, it's flame bait. You said it like it was a fact. In case you haven't realized, that's the sort of comment that starts flame wars here. Flame-bait.

Not that I'm saying you aren't entitled to your opinion. Of course you are. You just need to watch the way you put things on here, lest the really bad fanboys will come out and play.

 

[Legion]

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

It's not flame-bait, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Others are more than welcome to disagree, and I'm sure that many do. I'm totally fine with that.

I also think Britney Spears is awesome.

There is a difference between:

I would dislike the Halo games just as much if they weren't mainstream as I do right now.

and

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

The first is an opinion, the second is flame-bait. Again, as a 2 year member I'd have thought you'd know better.

He's not bashing Halo. I think he's legitimately trying to make a point and he just chose a bad example.

Fair enough.

 

[Flames66]

I personally like Halo, however 2 and 3 i think over did it and were poor because of it. Also you need vista to play halo 2 on the pc and halo 3 is only for 360 so I can only play them at friend?s houses.

In response to mainstream in general I don't really care what other people think about most things, if i like something then I?ll do it, if not I wont.

 

[EnglishMuffin]

The mainstream loves pretty flashy graphics with a lot of cool shit thrown in the mix. If you have a lot of cool explosions and decent enough action then most people will not pay attention to the actual storyline or character development.

 

[BonsaiK]

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

It's not flame-bait, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Others are more than welcome to disagree, and I'm sure that many do. I'm totally fine with that.

I also think Britney Spears is awesome.

BonsaiK, if you say it the way you did, it's flame bait. You said it like it was a fact. In case you haven't realized, that's the sort of comment that starts flame wars here. Flame-bait.

Not that I'm saying you aren't entitled to your opinion. Of course you are. You just need to watch the way you put things on here, lest the really bad fanboys will come out and play.

Sure, it doesn't say "in my opinion" but the fact that it's my opinion and not objective fact is obvious anyway and should not need special pointing out. Yes, I suppose I could have written "in my opinion I believe that the Halo series is of exceptionally, incredulously low quality" instead. However, what I DID write means exactly the same thing, because this is an internet forum where the topic concerns opinion, so of course it's an opinion, not a fact. That's self-evident. I should be able to express my opinion directly and plainly without having to couch it in disclaimers and fuzzy fluffiness to appease the whims of rabid fanboys.

For example, Yahtzee's reviews are opinion, not fact. He didn't like Halo 3 either. But did you see him using "in my opinion"-style language? No. It's not necessary. We already know it's his opinion.

 

[ZeroMachine]

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

It's not flame-bait, it's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Others are more than welcome to disagree, and I'm sure that many do. I'm totally fine with that.

I also think Britney Spears is awesome.

BonsaiK, if you say it the way you did, it's flame bait. You said it like it was a fact. In case you haven't realized, that's the sort of comment that starts flame wars here. Flame-bait.

Not that I'm saying you aren't entitled to your opinion. Of course you are. You just need to watch the way you put things on here, lest the really bad fanboys will come out and play.

Sure, it doesn't say "in my opinion" but the fact that it's my opinion and not objective fact is obvious anyway and should not need special pointing out. Yes, I suppose I could have written "in my opinion I believe that the Halo series is of exceptionally, incredulously low quality" instead. However, what I DID write means exactly the same thing, because this is an internet forum where the topic concerns opinion, so of course it's an opinion, not a fact. That's self-evident. I should be able to express my opinion directly and plainly without having to couch it in disclaimers and fuzzy fluffiness to appease the whims of rabid fanboys.

For example, Yahtzee's reviews are opinion, not fact. He didn't like Halo 3 either. But did you see him using "in my opinion"-style language? No. It's not necessary. We already know it's his opinion.

It's not to "appease the whims", it's to prevent a flame war. We have enough of those here every day. You should know that could cause one, and you should therefore think before you post a bit more. It's not that hard to word things differently.

And the point of whether or not it was an opinion is moot right now (it is one, duh, we all knew that) but the thing is, the way you said it was like you were stating it as fact. Machines Are Us put it perfectly, really. There's a big, important different between what you said and stating your opinion in a way that doesn't risk causing fires to start, you know?

And as for Yahtzee, if he cared and stopped himself and started being nice about it, he'd lose his job here. He is a comedian. It wouldn't be funny if he was nice about it. That's the whole point. You, though, are not a comedian, and are at no risk for saying things in a polite manner.

 

[pigeon_of_doom]

I like to think I make up my own mind about mainstream products, and always bear in mind the fact that it's popular for a reason. Not necessarily a good one, but it's something I feel is important to remember. I have rather unique tastes, so I often find myself opposed to the mainstream.

 

[ACM_Shadow]

mainstream as you put it, or hyped up games are just that, granted Halo bought alot of new concepts, the first one had good SP, the second gave a few new concepts, and the 3rd is good in MP with mates. CoD, GIVE IT UP, its becoming final fantasy ("FINAL" fantasy, WHEN IS IT THE FINAL!!!), at least CoD4 didn't do WWII. but seriously, mainstream or not, try the game then decide if its good and you like it. Also the hype created by the mainstream people are people that will likely spontaneously combust if they dont kill/frag someone in 5 minutes.
I say mainstream=zzzzfest. Humanity has learnt to "ignore" many things, just put the mainstream hype/bashing topics into that area.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

The Halo games would be rubbish whether they were mainstream or not.

I'd expect a less flame-baiting reply from someone who has been here almost two years.

It's called having an opinion.

I don't give a damn, if it's good, I'll like it.