Have you done Jury Duty before?

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TechNoFear

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Namehere said:
But if you're being on a jury runs a strong chance, or even a reasonable one I suppose, of denying you your livelihood the courts can't impose it on you.
You get paid your normal wage while on jury duty in Australia, your employer then claims it back from the government.

I am a contractor, not a full time employee, but my employer still had to pay my usual day rate while I was on the jury.

The self employed people on my jury also got paid for their time (they did have to 'prove' how much income they lost).
 

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TechNoFear said:
Namehere said:
But if you're being on a jury runs a strong chance, or even a reasonable one I suppose, of denying you your livelihood the courts can't impose it on you.
You get paid your normal wage while on jury duty in Australia, your employer then claims it back from the government.

I am a contractor, not a full time employee, but my employer still had to pay my usual day rate while I was on the jury.

The self employed people on my jury also got paid for their time (they did have to 'prove' how much income they lost).
That isn't how it works in Canada, at least not when I was called up. Unless it was a long trial, designated by days with pay starting at the 7th - I believe - you were pretty well on your own. That included buying your own lunch and providing for your own transportation. Not a big deal for some people, sort of a deal for me. So I got excused. But this is all from a fairly old memory. Things might have changed or I might have misunderstood or my memory could be flawed.
 

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Parasondox said:
If a citizen committed a crime, they must be met with a punishment to fit the crime.
Yes, but deciding on the punishment is not the juries job, it is the judge's.

I trust the judge has punished him accordingly.

Parasondox said:
I do not know the full case detail but from what you have put across so far is the person needed help with his drinking and family counselling.
Yes, he was also on very strong pain medication for an accident he suffered while drunk.

Apart from being (IMO) a serious binge drinker, he appeared a dedicated family man and productive member of the community.
Once he had made the mistake all his actions were motivated by what was for the good of his family (he reported himself to the authorities).

I thought jury duty would provide some 'satisfaction' I had contributed to society / done my civic duty.
But it just made me understand good people sometimes do very bad things.
 

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TechNoFear said:
Parasondox said:
If a citizen committed a crime, they must be met with a punishment to fit the crime.
Yes, but deciding on the punishment is not the juries job, it is the judge's.

I trust the judge has punished him accordingly.

Parasondox said:
I do not know the full case detail but from what you have put across so far is the person needed help with his drinking and family counselling.
Yes, he was also on very strong pain medication for an accident he suffered while drunk.

Apart from being (IMO) a serious binge drinker, he appeared a dedicated family man and productive member of the community.
Once he had made the mistake all his actions were motivated by what was for the good of his family (he reported himself to the authorities).

I thought jury duty would provide some 'satisfaction' I had contributed to society / done my civic duty.
But it just made me understand good people sometimes do very bad things.
Sorry sorry my bad, you are right. Judge sets the punishment. Could you imagine if the jury of our peers set the punishment? A lot of public executions I guess.

Nope. No satisfaction. We all do bad things even the great person messes up from time to time. It does open your eyes a little though.
 

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Oh also for those who have done jury duty, have you ever had the lawyers give their case as if they are in a tv drama? Like some over acting and sexed up words?
 

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I was on a jury for a federal wire fraud case.

It was actually pretty interesting to me, but that's mostly because I was a criminal justice major in college at the time. The group of jurors I was with was a pretty interesting bunch as well, a few younger guys like me as well as an older dude in his 40s who used to work for NASA and loved comic books.

The trial lasted 2 weeks, and I was unemployed and on summer break so it wasn't an inconvenience or anything.

I can't get into details about the case, but suffice to say that the defense attorney was sleazy, all the prosecution's witnesses were shifty, and the prosecutors were extremely un-charismatic. Frankly, I feel like the prosecutions witnesses did more harm than good to their case. The evidence spoke for itself, and the witnesses were clearly lying to make themselves seem less guilty (they had gotten plea deals in exchange for testimony).

Other than that I get called for jury duty almost every year. It's kind of a pain in the ass. One of the times I got called for the jury selection it was for a DUI case and just the jury selection took 2 days (I had to be there for both) because everyone kept saying they were biased against drunk drivers.
 

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ive been asked twice and my usual excuse of being out of the state at the time means they leave me alone
 

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Can't say that I have but I won't deny I'm fascinated by the idea, though reading this thread suggests that the fascination would wear off after about ten minutes and then boredom or revulsion set it for the remaining duration.
 

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I came close once. I was mighty excited to be a part of the jury but unfortunately, it didn't happen :(
 

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No, but I would love to try it. My friend got to be on a really exciting case (he kind of broke the rules about not speaking about the case to outsiders) and I want to have a shot of the same thing.

In his case, they were trying to figure out if the accused was an active paedophile, and it could have gone either way on the evidence. They declared guilty eventually, but the guy dramatically made the news when he impersonated his own sister and tried to flee to Hong Kong with her passport, whilst he was on bail. He was caught through a sting operation afterwards.
 

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I went once, they filled up the jurors before my number was up but they seemed to not like young folks so I doubt I would have been chosen. Before we got started the judge and lawyers asked us a bunch of questions and oh boy, everyone there was an idiot, I felt bad for the defendant.

Nobody other than me out of 30 or so people comprehended that presumption of innocence meant that when they ask you if the guy did it, you must presume that he didn't do it, not that you don't know if he did or didn't do it. I spoke up and called what others were expressing a prsumption of neutrality and the defense lawyer smiled ear to ear that someone got it, though I bet my antics would make the prosecutor instantly disqualify me lol. They had to spend 20 minutes drilling it into everyone else's head that you can't assume that he may have done it. And these were older people who should know better, I'm not a law student or anything either lol.
 

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I haven't ever been called for jury duty. Not sure why, but some people just get lucky in that regard. I've known people who seem to get it almost yearly.

As for why we need them. The idea is that you're being judged by people who are effectively your equals. The judge is there to explain the law and ensure that the law is followed, but it's the jury who weighs the evidence.

Personally, I'm fine with this system. It avoids making career jurors, which I think could hurt the process.

Fiz_The_Toaster said:
I've been selected to do jury duty a few times, and the furthest I've gotten was waiting for my number to get called while I was at the court house.

My number wasn't called, and so I was excused after waiting three hours.

My mom, however, has some stories. The last jury she sat on was two lawyers suing each other, and I guess it was hilarious.
A coworker of mine had jury duty just this year. It was a case involving a "sovereign citizen". From what I know of those people, it could only be hilarious. And based on what he told me, it was.
 

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Parasondox said:
Oh also for those who have done jury duty, have you ever had the lawyers give their case as if they are in a tv drama? Like some over acting and sexed up words?
Absolutely! I specifically recall a particular lawyer who, when questioning a witness, framed his question as a statement followed by "RIGHT? RIGHT?!"

Example: You went there with that person on that date! RIGHT?!? ... RIGHT??!

He did this with almost every question. What a clown shoe.
 

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Not yet, but planning to dodge it if possible as I'm self-employed. How much ball scratching do you think it takes to not get selected? I've only got one pair and I don't want to wear them out.
 

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I got called... and said call was cancelled before I even had a chance to go. I probably wouldn't get on a jury anyway, given my education level. Both sides tend to kick people like me, as I have been told, probably due to me being a wild card, able to both seriously question experts on their knowledge, but also knowing to trust that knowledge as well. Neither side wants someone like that on the jury as they can't question them during the trial.
 

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Yeah, I did jury service two or three years back - sat on two trials in the two week period, both sexual assault, unfortunately. I was foreman on the second week (got to deliver a guilty verdict), in a jury more or less identical to the first one.

Jury service was one of the few times in my life I actually felt a part of the community, or, rather, the larger, more complicated machinery of a large population group.

It was also fascinating on two counts; firstly, to see how the legal/court system works up close, day to day, and secondly, from a behavioural psychology angle - seeing how people of all age groups (well, 19 to around the max age for service) related to one another and acted as individuals in a room full of, at first, strangers (before everyone's briefed and before anyone's called in to be picked/not picked).

Some resented having to do it, some didn't even know they could be called, some came from just over the road, and others came from other cities a good while away. Most of the people who groused about it on day1 said they'd like to do it again, if called, so the experience proved rewarding for many people.

And of course, seeing how your 11 fellow jurors acted in the deliberation room was fascinating. Who would speak up (a few mostly kept silent, annoyingly), who had really followed the intricacies of the trial's timeline and evidence, who allowed their biases to cloud their judgement (only one older woman in the second trial did, and I had to confront her very directly, in the end, to make something clear to her about what was really being discussed in the trial, i.e. it wasn't about pointless subjective moral judgement), and so on.

Jury systems are strange beasts. It's odd to sit in the court room surrounded by people who've spent most of their lives training to work within that very room, and yet the whole thing hinges on, typically, 12 legal noobs who've never had to think about a trial beyond a film, book, or an article in the news. I sometimes felt saying 'Wait, you want us to decide guilt or innocent?! You're the experts here, not us... '

Also, generally when people think of guilt and innocence, they feel that grand ideas of right and wrong are being served. But that's not the case; trials aren't about that at all, they're simply a process of justice - as fair as it can be - playing out. In the first week's trial there was plenty of 'that's wrong/he's wrong', but none of that mattered or was ultimately relevant, given everything hinges on the evidence. That was an interesting distinction, and one I'd never really thought about before starting jury service. At the end of the first week I hadn't felt 'justice' was served in terms of right or wrong, but the process of law had played out, arguably in the only way it could've done given the evidence at hand.

So yeah, I found it a fascinating and rewarding experience, all in all. I'm glad I never got placed on a trial that stretched into weeks or months, however, as that would be a practical nuisance after a while, and potentially rather stressful if it was a particularly unpleasant case.
 

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Darth Rosenberg said:
And of course, seeing how your 11 fellow jurors acted in the deliberation room was fascinating. Who would speak up (a few mostly kept silent, annoyingly)
I've done duty duty too and was admittedly one of the quieter ones in the deliberation room. If you're a bit of an introvert and not naturally outspoken, it's hard to intervene into a full flowing conversation. In addition, I often found other jurors were saying things I agreed with anyway so rephrasing what they were already saying for the sake of participating more in the conversation felt pointless.


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My experience of jury duty was fascinating, it gives you a lot of insights into how court and justice system works and also obviously how jurors reach a decision. Basically, your job is to help wherever the accused is lying or not- the key factor being that you've to be confident they're guilty *beyond reasonable doubt*. I feel the system works reasonably well, and I would hypothesise that the advantage it has over other systems were a panel of judges reaches a verdict is that a jury has fewer preconceptions about law, justice and criminals than someone who works within law and justice professionally, so you may get a more impartial judgement with a jury.


I sat on two cases- The first was a case of physical assault between two ex-partners. Frustratingly we had to reach a not-guilty verdict because the police had lost some crucial evidence that would have proved or disproved the defendant's alibi. It was one person's word against the other so we had to reach a not-guilty verdict even though we felt he was probably guilty. It was very frustrating but the right thing to do.


The second case was an dispute were one family alleged that the defendant had threatened to kill them with a weapon. We found the defendant not-guilty because the the details the accusers told the court and in particular the timing of the events they alleged didn't collaborate with the evidence and testimony the police gave us. I believe me and the rest of the jury stopped an innocent man going to jail that day, and i'll never forget seeing the look of relief on his face when we delivered the not-guilty verdict.