Heath Ledger's Joker Theory

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AlexWinter

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I was watching TDK last night and I realised something.

What if The Joker was actually targeting the mob throughout the entire film.

Think about it; 1. He brings around the death of the mob's three highest members: Gambol, The Chechen and Salvatore Maroni.

2. He burns half of their funding which he didn't even earn as he didn't keep his side of the deal (to kill Batman).

3. He orchestrates the loading of the rest of the mob onto a ferry where they have a 75% chance of being blown-up.

If he weren't foiled at the last moment by Batman he would have brought the mob to it's knees far faster than any attempts by The Caped Crusader.

The thing that sparked this idea was the explanation The Joker gives Rachel for the origin if his scars. Unlike the 1st one we see The Joker deliver to Gambol before killing him this explanation gets him visibly distressed in contrast to the 1st which you can actively see him making it up as he goes along and admits from the start that it's a lie.

I know it's almost certainly not what Nolan intended but I like to think that The Joker may have just been taking out the mob in revenge for what they did to his wife and his marriage. It makes him more relatable than the "bringing everyone in Gotham down to his own lawless level" motivation.
 

Bertylicious

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I always preffered the whole 'nobody knows' Joker origin. It gave him an edge over batman seeing as they both had the superpower to 'get away with it'.
 

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AlexWinter said:
I know it's almost certainly not what Nolan intended but I like to think that The Joker may have just been taking out the mob in revenge for what they did to his wife and his marriage. It makes him more relatable than the "bringing everyone in Gotham down to his own lawless level" motivation.
He's not supposed to be relatable. That's the whole point of the Joker. It's what makes him dangerous, it's what sets him apart from other criminals despite his lack of any real abilities or prowess. He acts without any discernible purpose or motivation beyond sowing chaos and entropy. He's not attacking the mob because he hates the mob. He's attacking the mob because they're there, and he feels like it.
 

Thaluikhain

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Um, you know the part where he visits the mob bosses, and he's got a whole stack of grenades?

If he wants to get rid of them, he can stay outside and send the grenades in.

But, then again, could be, the movie requires a massive amount of not-thinking on anyone's part. Dye your hair green, paint your face white, and the police are utterly helpless to even notice you most of the time, it seems. Stupid criminal magic powers.
 

Bertylicious

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I'm sorry but it's kind of bothering me; using the apostraphe in the title in that way means that I thought this post was going to be about a special theory Heath ledger had about the Joker.

A better way may have been to say "Theory About Heath Ledger's Joker" or just knock it out entirely so; "Heath Ledger Joker Theory".
 

Shivarage

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Bunch of idiots >.> Michael Caine explained who the Joker was

"Some people just want to watch the world burn..."

Instead of experimenting on mice he experimented on people cause he enjoys all the emotion, that's all there is to it
 

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Well if you squint really hard you could say that, but actually he just wanted to fuck with everyones shit, the mob simply had the unfortunate luck of playing in his backyard (also being the only "top guys" the movie could spare).
 

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Matthew94 said:
Or maybe the Joker is the real good guy and batman can't take not being the hero.
Or maybe Batman was indoctrinated by Reapers and the Joker represents his own scarred psyche.
 

RatRace123

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All of these theories on Joker.



Dude...

Though personally I think the Joker was just a violent anarchist who wanted the world to plunge headfirst into chaos because that's how he gets his jollies.
Or as it's already been said, he just wanted to watch the world burn.
Some of the theories do make sense though.
 

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Or maybe he just likes to fuck shit up? It doesn't matter who it is or for whatever reason, he just likes to fuck shit up. As Alfred says in the film "Some men just want to watch the world burn" hell, even Joker himself says at one point "Everything burns."

Joker doesn't need a reason for anything he does. He just does things because he's totally insane and finds causing chaos fun.
 

lacktheknack

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You're implying that he's supposed to be relateable. Joker's entire schtick is how much you don't relate with him.

Otherwise, it's an interesting theory, but he damages far too much to be "targeting" the mob. That's like blowing up a building with a hydrogen bomb.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Dye your hair green, paint your face white, and the police are utterly helpless to even notice you most of the time, it seems.
Marvel as I remove my spectacles and become SUPERMAN.

Thinking isn't a big thing with comics as a whole.

"How can we disguise a superhero".

"Put some glasses on him, no one will know".

Funnily enough my brother is also a glasses wearing superhero. With them on he is ordinary David but without them he becomes ... "CANTSEEFUCKALL'MAN".
 

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lacktheknack said:
You're implying that he's supposed to be relateable. Joker's entire schtick is how much you don't relate with him.

Otherwise, it's an interesting theory, but he damages far too much to be "targeting" the mob. That's like blowing up a building with a hydrogen bomb.
Admittadly, that's kindof the Joker's style. That or tell everyone he's blownig up a building, and then instead filling it with streamers.

OT: Interesting idea, but I more feel that the Joker just destroys for the sake of destruction. Criminals don't expect to be treated like that, so they make both easier targets and targets that are just more fun. They just don't see it coming....