Please delete this post or disregard it, my apologies. Forgot it'd be better if I edited my post.
dont supose the women (secretly) might have gone the other way?.....mabye not commonly...ughhh just thinking about such a society makes me depressedefAston said:I just remembered hearing that in ancient Greece it was thought that boys were for pleasure, and women (just) for breeding. So this scenario probably DID actually exist.
It's hard to say. There aren't many records of it, but there aren't a lot of records about women, average folk, poor folk, and other disadvantaged groups in general throughout most of history.Vault101 said:dont supose the women (secretly) might have gone the other way?.....mabye not commonly...ughhh just thinking about such a society makes me depressed
Did you ever notice it before you realized you were gay? I know I didn't, and it was sort of a major reason for my related identity crisis upon finding that out.evilthecat said:Seriously, do straight people just never notice that?
I find your premise confusing. If homosexuality was the norm, then wouldn't those historic figures you mentioned BE gay? Instead of being a lady's man, he'd be a man's man.CrustyOatmeal said:**snip**
Ever heard of the Isle of Lesbos?Vault101 said:dont supose the women (secretly) might have gone the other way?.....mabye not commonly...ughhh just thinking about such a society makes me depressedefAston said:I just remembered hearing that in ancient Greece it was thought that boys were for pleasure, and women (just) for breeding. So this scenario probably DID actually exist.
I think I have....though that sounds more like a myth...rather than what really went onPrincess Rose said:Ever heard of the Isle of Lesbos?Vault101 said:dont supose the women (secretly) might have gone the other way?.....mabye not commonly...ughhh just thinking about such a society makes me depressedefAston said:I just remembered hearing that in ancient Greece it was thought that boys were for pleasure, and women (just) for breeding. So this scenario probably DID actually exist.
It was a island in ancient Greece - populated by women poets. Young women went there to learn and... experiment. The most famous was Sappho.
The word Lesbian comes from the name of the island. Yeah. It wasn't exactly a secret - Sappho wrote poetry about it.
yeah, that makes sense, I dont think its too far fetched to say it must have happend at one, point...as too how common? thats impossible to say (probably not too common), but yeah obviously if somthings going on in secret you wouldnt have many records of itDags90 said:It's hard to say. There aren't many records of it, but there aren't a lot of records about women, average folk, poor folk, and other disadvantaged groups in general throughout most of history.Vault101 said:dont supose the women (secretly) might have gone the other way?.....mabye not commonly...ughhh just thinking about such a society makes me depressed
I would probably focus on that. Throughout most of the history when it was a taboo, gay people make nary a peep on the historical radar.
Did you ever notice it before you realized you were gay? I know I didn't, and it was sort of a major reason for my related identity crisis upon finding that out.evilthecat said:Seriously, do straight people just never notice that?
Not a myth - the island really exists, as do the ruins on it.Vault101 said:I think I have....though that sounds more like a myth...rather than what really went on
The Gargareans were the male tribe of "amazons" so the ones the amazons mated with to continue the society its ok that you didn't know they didn't get much pressOldRat said:I'd just like to point out that the Amazons at least (I don't know about Gargareans so I won't comment on that) were a mythological nation mostly conjured up by Herodotus and his ilk, not a real antiquity era civilization. I'm not sure if you're actually implying they really did exist, but you'd be hard-pressed to find any respectable source actually supporting that.swoop2004 said:Snip
More than likely the Amazons were an embellished amalgamation of various female warrior tales, which would have seemed incredibly exotic, exciting and baffling to the Greeks, considering it went against everything of their worldview and what they considered a proper society. In short, a titillating tall tale meant to excite and make people wonder about all the weird things in the world. More or less like some of our own explorers coming back with tales of how the "savages of the dark continent" or what have you had no heads or walked backwards and suchlike. People are wont to making stuff up if it makes for a good story.
Heh, just considering the tales of how they totally needed to cut off their breasts to shoot a bow, when in actuality women can very well and without a problem shoot a bow without mangling their mammaries, kinda speaks for itself.
i didn't mean anything like that, i personally have nothing against homosexuality, but taken biologically, it IS harmful to the society, because more homosexuals mean less kids (yes, there are homosexuals that have families, but still, there's a difference between having sex and getting children more or less "as a side effect" of something you enjoy doing, and having to decide "okay, i want to have a child so i have to endure a (hetero)sexual act that is unnatural, strange and maybe even unpleasant to me"). and less kids means smaller=weaker society. this is what i meant by "dangerous to the society".Sporky111 said:I wouldn't agree with that. Something taboo isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is typically something that interferes with the order that is already established. Look at how arts and sciences were viewed prior to the Renaissance, and indeed how sciences were viewed and prosecuted long after.MidnightSt said:hmm, the problem is that society will never make a taboo of anything that helps to preserve society.
all the taboos are created because the tabooed thing is (by someone powerful or the majority of the society) percieved as harmful/dangerous to society (or their/its power).
so asking even a hypothetical question like yours just points to complete lack of understanding what "taboo" is, how it works, and what's its point, imho.
Besides, what you're saying is that homosexuality is something harmful and dangerous, which it is neither. It is simply frowned upon because it was used throughout history as a scapegoat by many peoples, and the stigma is only just being overcome.
sorry, i did miss this part. in that case, i'm not really sure... in regards to tabooed heterosexuals, it would be the same as homosexuals now, but i think that sexism would've been different - with (homosexual) men being able to have children as well as homosexual women, there would be no really strong reason to discriminate women (because it imho started with something like "women are made to have babies and take care of them = stay at home = they're too weak to do anything else, blah blah blah").CrustyOatmeal said:you missed the point. in this new world the roles are reversed. gays and lesbians can have children without having sex with members of the opposite sex (yes, i know this is a biological impossibility but its called suspension of disbelief) and how this alteration would effect the world.MidnightSt said:hmm, the problem is that society will never make a taboo of anything that helps to preserve society.
all the taboos are created because the tabooed thing is (by someone powerful or the majority of the society) percieved as harmful/dangerous to society (or their/its power).
so asking even a hypothetical question like yours just points to complete lack of understanding what "taboo" is, how it works, and what's its point, imho.
(and YES, there IS a difference between a hypothetical and nonsensical question, and this one is from the latter cathegory)
Actually read the OP maybe?Hatchet90 said:If gay were the scientific norm, then we wouldn't exist.
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