Help, my sister is talking about dropping out of high school

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renegade7

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She turns 18 in 2 months and has a ridiculous idea that she's going to "get a GED" and be able to make, in her words, "more than $70,000 a year as a dental hygienist" after completing what she thinks will be a simple half year certification course. In her words, she is going to live in "transitional housing" and pay her way with a hypothetical job she thinks she'll be able to get.

Perspective. She's never worked a day in her life, in fact, she refuses to even do basic chores and bullshits her way through them when forced; and and considers even tasks like taking garbage out or washing dishes "too disgusting" for her to do. She hasn't cleaned her room in MONTHS, I cannot fathom how she thinks she is going to handle a steady job. She does not have a driver's license and has not even completed any driver education.

And let's not even talk about managing money, any money she gets her hands on immediately gets spent on clothes or makeup, which typically end up festering on her bedroom's floor. She gets laptop computers more often than most people get their oil changed, she takes no care of her things and everything ends up broken within months of her getting it. My parents keep rolling with it and letting her buy new things with their money because it's the only way to prevent her violent outbursts which usually involves holes being kicked in walls (I'll address the property damage momentarily).

The thing is her grades actually are very good, she's managing a 3.4 GPA right now. She's not at all unintelligent, but she just refuses to do anything, ever, and favors this outright delusion of grandeur that things are going to work out even remotely like she thinks they will.

I've tried explaining this to her. I've also tried explaining to her that financial independence begins legally at 26, not 18, and due to my parents circumstances (despite some recent trouble my parents, on the whole, are well to do) there is no chance in hell that she will qualify for room in a shelter, let alone the fact that she'd be throwing away a VERY pampered life to live in a HOMELESS SHELTER in the unlikely event that somehow managed to occur. I've tried explaining to her that picking the very specific career of dental hygienist because it makes a lot of money on paper is ill-advised, that she has never once in her existence expressed any interest whatsoever in anything involving the cleaning of teeth, that it requires an Associate's degree in addition to certification (she is adamant that she will not go to college), and that it's an extremely competitive job with very few openings. I've tried to tell her she has no work experience, no car, no money, no way to get money, no housing situation, is supported entirely by her parents who subsidize her every whim, and is utterly unprepared for life on her own (to put things in perspective, she didn't know what a utility bill was until we had this conversation and did not know that water is something you have to pay for)

When I brought this up to her, she lost her temper and kicked a hole in the wall the size of a grapefruit.

In the last two years she has developed a very fragile and violent temper and can become explosive with little provocation. A few weeks ago in one of her rages she ended up causing nearly $700 in damage to a professionally made violin I've had since I was 14, and being a grad student whose current only source of income is as a gigging musician severe damage to my instrument was a financial threat as well as kind of a terrible thing for her to do overall. She hadn't just lost control, she went up to my room, ripped it out of its case, and smacked it against a wall (VERY lucky the damage could be repaired). I had it at that point and decided to involve the police hoping that maybe they could straighten her out where we couldn't, my parents just covered for her and (of course) paid for the damage themselves, and I was even scolded for failing to respect "How fragile she is". The professional violin was "fragile", and she seemed to be in control of her actions when she deliberately tried to break it as an act of vengeance for telling her I wouldn't take her out shopping until she finished the chores my mom gave her.

And this "dropping out" thing wasn't just one thing she said when she was having an episode, she's been talking about this for months and refusing (sometimes violently) to listen to reason the whole time.

She's been diagnosed with anxiety disorder but she only takes her medication occasionally (we can't force her) and I've also been recently given reason to suspect she's been experimenting with drugs, she's mentioned that some of her friends often use pot and LSD.

I'm stuck and at my wit's end. My parents are either unable or unwilling to do anything. I don't know if this thread is going to accomplish anything but I REALLY needed a good rant.

UPDATE: After a lengthy meeting with her school counselor it has been impressed on her why dropping out is a terrible idea. She's agreed to remain in high school and is now enrolled in Summer classes.
 

Batou667

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Your sister sounds, no offence, like a huge *****. Perhaps a dose of real life and experiencing some failure may do her some good.
 

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It sounds like there is something really wrong with your sister. If she reacts to any criticism by punching holes in the wall then she really needs some sort of mental health care. Since she is 18, and she lives in the United States, your family has no obligation to care for her. As Batou667 said, some reality could be good for her.

That being said, if she had gone 18 years like this then some drastic interventions are needed, but since she is an adult she needs to be the one to seek help. You cannot force her to change if she does not want to.

I am questioning the Anxiety Disorder diagnosis. It is common for children with anxiety issues to display angry or violent tendencies. For adolescents and adults, angry and violent tendencies rarely occur and are usually attributed to other problems.
 

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So shes a spoiled rich girl with absolutely zero sense of reality, self awareness and seemingly unstable. Did your parents EVER discipline her or try to make her a decent human being? From your post I'm guessing no, but doesn't hurt to ask. People like that need a hard dose of reality to start to wake up. Let her go, let her live her life as she chooses. She'll be back soon enough when she realizes what the world is like and maybe you'll even get an apology out of her.

Some part of me thinks she's just saying that she's going to drop out for the attention your parents never seem to pay her. Most likely she'll never leave that house.
 

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renegade7 said:
I'm stuck and at my wit's end. My parents are either unable or unwilling to do anything. I don't know if this thread is going to accomplish anything but I REALLY needed a good rant.
Is this the same sister you posted about before? Because if so I'm going to be a bore and basically repeat what I said there; everyone in the family has to enforce boundaries - it's the only way of being consistent and by outnumbering her you can make her rants a little more tolerable. A lot of the rest of this might seem quite harsh about both your sister and your parents, but I've seen similar instances of supposedly vulnerable kids given no boundaries - it's fucking toxic and does real long term damage.

Anyway, it sounds like you're trying your best, but other family member have to do the same. They are enabling if not outright encouraging her to treat everyone, including you - their other child - like shit. She is shielded from the consequences and depending on your perspective, perhaps outright rewarded for being abusive. The violin example exemplifies this. You are not her slave and your parents should not be suggesting that you should have to do as she says on pain of your stuff getting destroyed. And that is precisely what they are saying when they blame you for 'provoking' her despite the fact that she's blatantly in the wrong.
IMO, you'd have been within your rights to physically remonstrate (and by that I mean floor her) in order to stop her damaging things that are valuable to you. And calling the police is absolutely appropriate in such an extreme case.
Frankly I think it's right that you get compensated for the damage so I can't object to your parents doing so for your sake, but they should be seeking redress from her (no money/allowance until she's de-facto paid off that damage).

I think you need to discuss with your parents and make the point that not only are they being irresponsible, but they're also harming you by not protecting you from your sister, and her prospects by letting her grow up into a generally abominable person (obviously more diplomatic wording required because they obviously aren't doing it deliberately). And I imagine it isn't a teaparty for them either.

In terms of her mental health problems, I'm doubtful.
If she were completely losing it during a confrontation and damaging things indiscriminately but then quieted down as soon as she were left along, that might indicate an anxiety disorder (being unable to cope with confrontation due to lack of confidence and lashing out in an adrenalin rush).
But calculatedly targeting a personally valuable item that is in a different location isn't a fight or flight misfiring, it isn't a momentary loss of control - it suggests intent to harm other people for the terrible crime of standing up to her. That is bullying behaviour.

Again, I have personally seen this - parents being understandably scared about potential mental health issues and not setting any limits on their child's behaviour, and in every case it has led to more problems developing than the original problem. I don't want to post specifics publicly, but I can PM you narratives if you want them.

Also, lol at the idea of someone who thinks binbags are too disgusting becoming a dental hygienist. That's a truly disgusting job - as well as the more mundane cleaning hygienists also get the most disgusting dental cases to clean up before dentists can sort out fillings etc.
 

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Boundaries need to be enforced regardless of whether or not she stays at home or leaves. I think the biggest issue here is you're trying to fix things yourself when it looks like you don't have any real power to enact change when your parents keep enabling her.

If she drops out, the most likely scenario I see happening is she gets disillusioned quickly with her vision of how things were going to turn out, and starts cajoling your parents for money. Based on what you've said of them in this thread (and the last, if I remember correctly), they are going to cave and give it to her. All this is complicated by the fact that she has issues with not taking her medication.

I get that you feel you need to set her right and that it feels like you're giving up on her if you stop trying, but until your parents stand up to her consistently, you're pissing in the wind man.
 

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I would say it wouldn't really matter if she stayed in high school or not. My experiences with post secondary and hearing things from the staff has basically been along the lines of "High school education is generally worthless. If you have the money to attend, then you may attend." - in short, it shouldn't really matter in terms of high school. They won't stop you from failing, there are no safety nets. I'd say real education starts at post secondary. Even then, depending on your field, it might not be required - if you can learn what you learn on your own, you might be able to make it regardless. (e.g. Programming.)

In fact, I might go out on a limb and claim that high school is merely an attempt to hammer some basic skills and knowledge into your mind in hopes that it sticks an that you will find it useful, along with ineptly trying to expand your interests and point you to a career that you might enjoy.
 

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Honestly. Medication aside (and anxiety medication is fucking horrible, so I do have some sympathy) your sister sounds like a fairly normal teenage girl. She wants her independence without really understanding what that means, only that you're standing in the way of that, and that's a sucky place for you to be.

It's really difficult, and I know this because I have a sibling with serious problems and violent behaviour, but you need to take a step back. You aren't her parents, and she's not going to accept you as a parent substitute. If you feel that she's making a mess of things, then just withdraw and get yourself out of the blast radius.

Sure, you don't want to see your sister ruin her life. That's admirable, but the way you can do that best is by backing off so that you don't have to see everything, and just look after yourself.[footnote]Which incidentally, will probably convey the message far more effectively than trying to hammer it home. People tend to dig in when faced with criticism, but if you start backing off and walling yourself off from it that will be noticeable.[/footnote] Whatever you do, don't make it into a big deal, because one day maybe she will need your help and if you've turned this into an issue of pride it's going to be so much harder to turn to you.

That doesn't mean you can't have an opinion or tell her how you feel, but she knows how you feel now. Trying to force it isn't going to do anything. The best way you can help her is by being someone she can talk to because if things do go wrong that could make a big difference.