HELP! Someone explain how gay relationships in ME3 will work

[Poop di Loop]

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Panic less and wait. The only they've explained with any detail so far is that old relationships are stil remembered and cheating, if you did it, will screw you later on.

EDIT: How in god's name do people "accidentally" romance someone? I've never once made that mistake. In ME2 I guess you could think the short text was something else but in DA2 there's actually a fucking symbol, a Golden Heart no less, that indicates it's a romance option.

Didn't romance anyone in the first ME, not a problem. Didn't care that much about characters in the first game anyway.

And I've never played Dragon Age, so I don't get why you're mentioning it.

In ME2 you choose text, so it's not always clear what it means. For Miranda, I think the option was "You don't take compliments very well". I THOUGHT I WAS BEING NICE. For Jack, I thought the option "I do" for when Jack asked if you were into her was a joking/sarcastic kind of option, so I chose it. I guess I'm a retard then, whoopdidoo.

@Gorilla Gunk: I said this before. If they're comfortable mentioning relationships with opposite genders, but never even HINT about same sex relationships, it's generally accepted to consider them straight.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

[@GOrilla Gunk: I said this before. If they're comfortable mentioning relationships with opposite genders, but never even HINT about same sex relationships, it's generally accepted to consider them straight.

"GAY MEN ARE PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF HAVING SEX WITH WOMEN. BISEXUALITY DOESN'T EXIST. IF THEY HAD ANY INTEREST IN MEN THEY'D REMIND ME AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GAY PEOPLE DO. I CONSIDERED THEM TO BE STRAIGHT SO THEY CAN'T BE ANYTHING ELSE."

 

[Talydia]

Seems like a relatively small thing to get worked up over. Also, is it really that hard to believe that they were just keeping it hidden? I'm sure there are tons of bosses/commanding officers out in the world without a shred of doubt that some person working under them is straight/gay when they're the opposite.

Nice. Very subtle, implying how totally cool and liberal you are by saying it's a "relatively small thing" I "got worked up" over. Why did I make an account here, lord.

First, I'm sure people like that exist, but that still doesn't make any sense in the MASS EFFECT world.
As I said before, Shep and the rest of the crew's relationship was not a strict "commanding officer and soldier" relationship. There was barely any level of formality between them besides taking orders as given. They were all really good friends. But not a single hint during the last 3 (or however long) years they've been working together that they're actually gay? I helped them out on some of their most personal issues, but they couldn't even mention their sexual preference? Not even mentioning their undying love for me before the suicide mission when all of us expected to die? Seems like someone's in the closet. But then, oh wait, they suddenly had a 180 degree mindset change and have decided that they want to bone me and clearly stated wanting to do so since the first game. Awwwriighhttt. Let's just throw character consistency out the window, shall we?

now now, no need for insults like liberal to be tossed around. It IS a relatively small thing. Does it affect the gameplay? does it affect the overarching story? Maybe they were in denial about it, maybe they were scared, maybe they wanted to keep their macho/feminine image, maybe the fact that they survived the suicide mission made them want to be open about it. If you don't want someone to be gay in your version of the story, don't romance them, pick someone else.

If Bioware handles it poorly and doesn't learn from their past mistakes/games, sure there's a problem. But so far it seems like you're just putting words in character's mouths that haven't been written yet. I'd like to think that Bioware's writers have more tact and ability than to write what you're saying they will.

 

[Poop di Loop]

[@GOrilla Gunk: I said this before. If they're comfortable mentioning relationships with opposite genders, but never even HINT about same sex relationships, it's generally accepted to consider them straight.

"GAY MEN ARE PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF HAVING SEX WITH WOMEN. BISEXUALITY DOESN'T EXIST. IF THEY HAD ANY INTEREST IN MEN THEY'D REMIND ME AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GAY PEOPLE DO. I CONSIDERED THEM TO BE STRAIGHT SO THEY CAN'T BE ANYTHING ELSE."

Dude, what is your problem?

I never said they had to mention it at every opportunity, just mention it, especially if you want the player to consider them bisexual/gay. It's what you do when you're establishing a character.

 

[orangeban]

Erm, I'm not to sure where to start here, but I'll do my best I guess.

Firstly, how did the characters strike you as "undeniably straight"? What does that mean? What about Jacob made you think he might of been gay? Okay, maybe somewhere in some of their dialogue someone mentions being straight, in which case it would be odd for their orientation to switch, but I don't recall them being that explicit with it anyway. In above posts you've mentioned that they must be straight because A) they only talk about previous female relationships and B) they at no point lusted for you in the past. Well for A) their is the chance that they just didn't mention gay relationships, I'm sure they didn't tell you about every single relationship they ever had, imagine if they did, "Hey Shepard, when I was in college I was in a relationship but it was only really for they sex and we didn't get along that well otherwise so we broke up and, ummm, that's sorta it."
And maybe they didn't realise they were gay before, I mean, chances are Garrus liked to keep sex strictly in-species (like most of us would probably do) before he got down with fem-shep, just because they haven't done that before doesn't mean they can't ever do it.

For B) well, maybe they aren't they type to give their hearts to others quickly, I dunno.

Secondly, if you want "no-homo" with your male crew, then fine, keep it that way, though I will point out that sometimes you learn that some friends "like-like" you even though you don't, and you have to deal with it in real life. Bioware being Bioware hopefully they can deal with situations like that realistically and in a fun/thought provoking way.
Maybe it just has to be up to you to not make things awkard, keep your libido to yourself so-to-speak.

Thirdly, as to how "gay relationships" work in games, well, rather like straight relationships. Generally. Really it's up to the developers, there's no blueprint to follow for such things.

Fourthly (is that a thing?) and finally, for the option to turn off certain relationships, well, sorry but tough really, it's a strange request but an idea similar to something that my friends have said (As in, gee, really hope none of my male friends fancy me, that'd be awkard) and really you just have to lump it, I'm sure it'd be a load of all our backs if we could just be friends with someone without them taking it further.

 

[2fish]

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[Mr. 47]

I don't know how you can declare someone straight or gay, it is a sexual preference, not a personality.
If a character is bisexual, or homosexual, you will be able to have a relationship with them, it's not like their personalities would change.

@ Gorilla Gunk: He said none of those things, or even went as far as to IMPLY it...

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

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Panic less and wait. The only they've explained with any detail so far is that old relationships are stil remembered and cheating, if you did it, will screw you later on.

EDIT: How in god's name do people "accidentally" romance someone? I've never once made that mistake. In ME2 I guess you could think the short text was something else but in DA2 there's actually a fucking symbol, a Golden Heart no less, that indicates it's a romance option.

In DA 2, you could accidentally walk yourself into a conversation with Anders that gave you nothing but hearts and broken hearts, which is something that most people would like to avoid since it is blegh drama. Also, showing interest and talking to the girls in ME inevitably lead to the whole, do you love me or not crap.

So yea, you can walk into it just by wanting to talk to the characters more.

That all said, I didn't really have a problem with Anders but I can see where the OP is coming from. It was uncomfortable and broke flow of being a nifty badass warrior to have to shoot down Anders cornering me into a hot or not convo...

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

I never said they had to mention it at every opportunity, just mention it, especially if you want the player to consider them bisexual/gay. It's what you do when you're establishing a character.

Being gay isn't always a part of someones character.

It just sounds like you want everybody to telegraph their sexual preference so you know who to avoid.

 

[Poop di Loop]

Erm, I'm not to sure where to start here, but I'll do my best I guess.

Firstly, how did the characters strike you as "undeniably straight"? What does that mean? What about Jacob made you think he might of been gay? Okay, maybe somewhere in some of their dialogue someone mentions being straight, in which case it would be odd for their orientation to switch, but I don't recall them being that explicit with it anyway. In above posts you've mentioned that they must be straight because A) they only talk about previous female relationships and B) they at no point lusted for you in the past. Well for A) their is the chance that they just didn't mention gay relationships, I'm sure they didn't tell you about every single relationship they ever had, imagine if they did, "Hey Shepard, when I was in college I was in a relationship but it was only really for they sex and we didn't get along that well otherwise so we broke up and, ummm, that's sorta it."
And maybe they didn't realise they were gay before, I mean, chances are Garrus liked to keep sex strictly in-species (like most of us would probably do) before he got down with fem-shep, just because they haven't done that before doesn't mean they can't ever do it.

I'm not saying that they should mention every single relationship they ever had.
I'm saying that if you want us to consider them bi, mention that they had a previous relationship within the same sex. I just find it weird that none of these characters (who have all well matured into adults of their respective species) have gone through their lives not realizing they were gay/bi.

And as for why I think Jacob could be written as gay/bi, it's because he's so indecisive about everything. He couldn't decide how he felt for Cerberus, or for the Alliance. He got it on with Miranda, but apparently that didn't work out. I can see him as being uncertain about his sexuality.

 

[Zeraiya]

As for accidentally romancing characters, I'm sure you're not paying close attention to your dialogue choices. I advise you to replay ME2 again and focus on each bit of dialogue with your crewmates. Say what you feel like saying. Because if you pay attention to your choices, there should be no way that happens.

I both agree and disagree. There are definitely many 'accidents' occuring with romancing characters because one doesn't pay close attention to the dialogue options and what exactly the character is saying but at the same time I have made errors because of two reasons.

1) The 'compact' form that you select that gives you the general gist of what you're about to say is often unimformative about what exactly your character is about to say so a lot of the time I think I'm saying one thing and my characters says something that isn't what I intended.

2) I like to flirt, lightly, with romantic interests. But often, as in DA2, one flirt suddenly means you want to spend the rest of your life with them (I'm looking at YOU Anders). I think one should be able to flirt shamelessly without the other characters wanting to jump your bones immediately. You should at least be able to build up that romantic relationship.

As far as other people are saying about not understanding how the accidents happen... I know that a lot of people romance people very soon and once that happens all the other romantic interests just backoff immediately and lose the flirtatious dialogue options. Once those go away you basically can't come onto anyone and accidentally start romancing them. When I play I like to romance my companions fairly late in the game which leaves a lot of time for my companions to prey on my unsuspecting slip ups.

And some further information: If people are afraid that the new gay characters are going to pounce on you the way Anders (and Fenris) did in Dragon Age (for example) you can find solace in the fact that if you romanced two different people in ME 1 & 2 those two people will be competing for your attention, and this will probably create a 'shield' of sorts from any awkward sudden romance proposals.

THANK YOU.

You're welcome

 

[orangeban]

Erm, I'm not to sure where to start here, but I'll do my best I guess.

Firstly, how did the characters strike you as "undeniably straight"? What does that mean? What about Jacob made you think he might of been gay? Okay, maybe somewhere in some of their dialogue someone mentions being straight, in which case it would be odd for their orientation to switch, but I don't recall them being that explicit with it anyway. In above posts you've mentioned that they must be straight because A) they only talk about previous female relationships and B) they at no point lusted for you in the past. Well for A) their is the chance that they just didn't mention gay relationships, I'm sure they didn't tell you about every single relationship they ever had, imagine if they did, "Hey Shepard, when I was in college I was in a relationship but it was only really for they sex and we didn't get along that well otherwise so we broke up and, ummm, that's sorta it."
And maybe they didn't realise they were gay before, I mean, chances are Garrus liked to keep sex strictly in-species (like most of us would probably do) before he got down with fem-shep, just because they haven't done that before doesn't mean they can't ever do it.

I'm not saying that they should mention every single relationship they ever had.
I'm saying that if you want us to consider them bi, mention that they had a previous relationship within the same sex. I just find it weird that none of these characters (who have all well matured into adults of their respective species) have gone through their lives not realizing they were gay/bi.

And as for why I think Jacob could be written as gay/bi, it's because he's so indecisive about everything. He couldn't decide how he felt for Cerberus, or for the Alliance. He got it on with Miranda, but apparently that didn't work out. I can see him as being uncertain about his sexuality.

Hmm, fair enough but you have to be a bit more giving for Bioware, they started the series several years ago having no gay relationships in mind (Liara not counting for my convinience) and can't have been expected to forsee adding them in later. Who knows, maybe they'll mention them in M3.

Maybe they live in a future where being gay is just no big deal, as in no-one assumes your straight or gay and it seems unnecessary to have to "come-out" as a gay person. That would explain their silence about it.

And count yourself lucky, I was about to punch you through the internet as I started reading what you were saying about Jacob, but it turns out you weren't going along with stereotypes, you actually had a valid point. Whoopsie me and my conclusion jumping abilities.

 

[SNIPERFOX ft. Harry P.Ness]

It'll act just like every other relationship acts.

Talk to the guy/girl a couple of times and they'll want to have hot, sweaty sex with you because you're their "true love".

God damn I hate how relationships work in current Bioware games...

Example


Shepard: Hey Liara, i saved you some cake at the mess hall! go eat it before some random crew member whp is probably a reaper spy eats it !

Liara: Lets Have hot blue sweaty alien sex.

Shepard:.......

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

I never said they had to mention it at every opportunity, just mention it, especially if you want the player to consider them bisexual/gay. It's what you do when you're establishing a character.

Being gay isn't always a part of someones character.

It just sounds like you want everybody to telegraph their sexual preference so you know who to avoid.

Or he just wants to avoid intimacy curve balls. Which is what he said. Multiple times. Also, he stated that he wants to know how it will work because he wants to control how he engages with his crew.

You seem determined to label him a homophobe because he doesn't want to grind hips with dudes or be in the situation where they are hitting him up for grindage.

 

[Xathos]

I can totally see why people would get a bit nervous about all of this. Its more so staying true to the characters than having actual homosexual/bisexual romances. But I guess for Bioware they would have to seriously consider how the characters have behaved so far, and how their character arcs in Mass Effect 3 will change them. I actually wouldn't mind if certain characters became bisexual, but it depends on the characters.

Let's take Thane for example. He has been in a previous relationship with a woman, and he even has a kid. His romance with female Shepard is also very emotional for him, so Thane suddenly having an interest in Male Shepard would be very awkward.

However, if you look at Tali, its very possible that she could be a bisexual romance. Maybe this has more to do with her personality, but she tends to get very flustered around Shepard, regardless of gender. In one of the DLC's you can find out that Tali has looked at realtionships between Quarians and Humans(again, you find this out regardless of gender). Now, I'm not saying making Tali an option for Female Shepards SHOULD be done, but its possible.

But I guess if Bioware WAS to make characters that do seem to be straight (Garrus, Jacob, Miranda, Ashley) options for the same gender, I would hope its very hard to pull off.

If you look at Garrus, when Female Shepard says they should be together, Garrus easily agrees. If Male Shepard would try to do this, I would expect Garrus to be a more reluctant. Maybe if I were to keep pestering him(in about, 5 different conversations or so), Garrus MIGHT just consider being with Male Shepard. Though if this is the case, I wouldn't exactly expect a sex scene, but probably just simple romance. But thats almost not going to happen. In fact, he would probably shoot me down right away that he wasn't interested(pretty much what Samara does to Shepard regardless of gender if you try). Course this all depends on whether you think Garrus just like being with Shepard regardless, considering he says to Female Shepard that he doesn't exactly have a human fetish, he just likes Shepard.

Well, thats just my opinon anyway. As long as it makes sense, I'm not too worried. I trust Bioware to make the right decisions. Sorry for the long post!

 

[trooper6]

Seems like a relatively small thing to get worked up over. Also, is it really that hard to believe that they were just keeping it hidden? I'm sure there are tons of bosses/commanding officers out in the world without a shred of doubt that some person working under them is straight/gay when they're the opposite.

Nice. Very subtle, implying how totally cool and liberal you are by saying it's a "relatively small thing" I "got worked up" over. Why did I make an account here, lord.

First, I'm sure people like that exist, but that still doesn't make any sense in the MASS EFFECT world.
As I said before, Shep and the rest of the crew's relationship was not a strict "commanding officer and soldier" relationship. There was barely any level of formality between them besides taking orders as given. They were all really good friends. But not a single hint during the last 3 (or however long) years they've been working together that they're actually gay? I helped them out on some of their most personal issues, but they couldn't even mention their sexual preference? Not even mentioning their undying love for me before the suicide mission when all of us expected to die? Seems like someone's in the closet. But then, oh wait, they suddenly had a 180 degree mindset change and have decided that they want to bone me and clearly stated wanting to do so since the first game. Awwwriighhttt. Let's just throw character consistency out the window, shall we?

Hey Poop. No one really knows how ME3 is going to do it. You'll just have to wait and see.

But as for your idea that you'd know because you are so close to someone? Not true. I was in the Army and at the time was female bodied and dated women. I had very close friends in the Army who I knew for years. We had long talks and they thought they knew me very well. Heck I talked about my male fiance back home. I talked about men I had dated. There was never any hint. The straight people I knew had no idea that I was lying about my fiance. They had no idea that I was what they would think of as a lesbian. They thought we were really close. And this was during a time of war. But you know what? They didn't really know me at all. They didn't know that I was actually dating so-and-so and just had a terrible break-up or whatever. It isn't that hard to do, especially if the person you are talking to is looking to find straight people unless otherwise explicitly stated.

Now Garrus has never been romantically linked with a woman in the game (unless you are a female Shep and romance him). So if you are a gay male Shep you could have been working towards a relationship with Garrus all that time that finally comes together at the end.

I have many friends who insist that Alistair from Dragon Age is secretly gay...though he is not a gay romance option in Dragon Age: Origins.

Anyway, If there is a Heart conversation option in any of the Bioware games and you don't want to romance someone, don't choose that option.

 

[manythings]

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Panic less and wait. The only they've explained with any detail so far is that old relationships are stil remembered and cheating, if you did it, will screw you later on.

EDIT: How in god's name do people "accidentally" romance someone? I've never once made that mistake. In ME2 I guess you could think the short text was something else but in DA2 there's actually a fucking symbol, a Golden Heart no less, that indicates it's a romance option.

In DA 2, you could accidentally walk yourself into a conversation with Anders that gave you nothing but hearts and broken hearts, which is something that most people would like to avoid since it is blegh drama. Also, showing interest and talking to the girls in ME inevitably lead to the whole, do you love me or not crap.

So yea, you can walk into it just by wanting to talk to the characters more.

That all said, I didn't really have a problem with Anders but I can see where the OP is coming from. It was uncomfortable and broke flow of being a nifty badass warrior to have to shoot down Anders cornering me into a hot or not convo...

Anders is kind of schizophrenic and unstable so it's not exactly a personality you can apply normal rules to.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

grrrr... double post

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

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Panic less and wait. The only they've explained with any detail so far is that old relationships are stil remembered and cheating, if you did it, will screw you later on.

EDIT: How in god's name do people "accidentally" romance someone? I've never once made that mistake. In ME2 I guess you could think the short text was something else but in DA2 there's actually a fucking symbol, a Golden Heart no less, that indicates it's a romance option.

In DA 2, you could accidentally walk yourself into a conversation with Anders that gave you nothing but hearts and broken hearts, which is something that most people would like to avoid since it is blegh drama. Also, showing interest and talking to the girls in ME inevitably lead to the whole, do you love me or not crap.

So yea, you can walk into it just by wanting to talk to the characters more.

That all said, I didn't really have a problem with Anders but I can see where the OP is coming from. It was uncomfortable and broke flow of being a nifty badass warrior to have to shoot down Anders cornering me into a hot or not convo...

Anders is kind of schizophrenic and unstable so it's not exactly a personality you can apply normal rules to.

It is a Bioware romance in a Bioware game, fullstop. Hence the OP's confusion.

And before we get into it, yes, I get Anders, I just wish the developers had actually made a choice and stuck with it. I get that he is crazy but it seemed flawed in execution.

 

[manythings]

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Panic less and wait. The only they've explained with any detail so far is that old relationships are stil remembered and cheating, if you did it, will screw you later on.

EDIT: How in god's name do people "accidentally" romance someone? I've never once made that mistake. In ME2 I guess you could think the short text was something else but in DA2 there's actually a fucking symbol, a Golden Heart no less, that indicates it's a romance option.

In DA 2, you could accidentally walk yourself into a conversation with Anders that gave you nothing but hearts and broken hearts, which is something that most people would like to avoid since it is blegh drama. Also, showing interest and talking to the girls in ME inevitably lead to the whole, do you love me or not crap.

So yea, you can walk into it just by wanting to talk to the characters more.

That all said, I didn't really have a problem with Anders but I can see where the OP is coming from. It was uncomfortable and broke flow of being a nifty badass warrior to have to shoot down Anders cornering me into a hot or not convo...

Anders is kind of schizophrenic and unstable so it's not exactly a personality you can apply normal rules to.

It is a Bioware romance in a Bioware game, fullstop. Hence the OP's confusion.

And before we get into it, yes, I get Anders, I just wish the developers had actually made a choice and stuck with it. I get that he is crazy but it seemed flawed in execution.

I really don't get why I have to say this to people but crazies don't fit with normal preconceptions so don't think it's surprising when they act like crazies