#HetrosexualPrideDay

[Emanuele Ciriachi]

I think it makes perfect sense; I am genuinely proud of a sexuality that actually contributes to renew society.
Generating and raising children is costly and time consuming, but it is also emotionally rewarding and a fundamental necessity for the world.

I would not be proud of a sterile use of my sexuality, which would merely self-serving, nor I understand people that are.

 

[kaizen2468]

yay one more day i won't celebrate because it's stupid

 

[Sleepy Sol]

I hope this catches on. I want a sexual deviance pride day where we can all have wild kinky sex in the streets. That would be a parade that everyone would attend.

I'd be down with just a general sex pride day. Let the debauchery commence.

I would not be proud of a sterile use of my sexuality, which would merely self-serving, nor I understand people that are.

I'm not quite sure I can understand your viewpoint myself. What's the issue with some people choosing not to (or not being able to) have children while still expressing sexuality? I'm not going to blame someone for wanting to put their own well-being and interests first. Raising a child is difficult fucking work, and god knows plenty of people that are already parents out there don't do a stellar job (or worse).

For the actual topic at hand. Troll hashtag exists. More at 11.

 

[Emanuele Ciriachi]

I would not be proud of a sterile use of my sexuality, which would merely self-serving, nor I understand people that are.

I'm not quite sure I can understand your viewpoint myself. What's the issue with some people choosing not to (or not being able to) have children while still expressing sexuality? I'm not going to blame someone for wanting to put their own well-being and interests first. Raising a child is difficult fucking work, and god knows plenty of people that are already parents out there don't do a stellar job (or worse).

I don't have a problem with it - I just don't understand the being proud part of it.
I genuinely see continuing family and society as a collective moral duty, which is more pressing the more one has the social and economical abilities to do so.

 

[Phasmal]

I would not be proud of a sterile use of my sexuality, which would merely self-serving, nor I understand people that are.

I'm not quite sure I can understand your viewpoint myself. What's the issue with some people choosing not to (or not being able to) have children while still expressing sexuality? I'm not going to blame someone for wanting to put their own well-being and interests first. Raising a child is difficult fucking work, and god knows plenty of people that are already parents out there don't do a stellar job (or worse).

I don't have a problem with it - I just don't understand the being proud part of it.
I genuinely see continuing family and society as a collective moral duty, which is more pressing the more one has the social and economical abilities to do so.

Well, ya realise gay people adopt, right? And some straight people never/can't have kids? It's not black-and-white like you're makin' it. Straighties aren't just pumpin' out babies non-stop, thank god.

And also, the being proud of it bit generally comes from people trying to erase and kill them for hundreds of years. It's not like they decided to have Pride for no reason. It's a celebration of being able to be visibly themselves after years and years of not being able to.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Now that's not a bad idea, it'd be at least a nice replacement for Colonialist Australia Day

Well... it wouldn't be so bad if it were a solemn day of remembrance. Like Anzac Day. People will still get boozed up and all that, but the spirit would be maintained. Australia day has some positive celebrations. Many people who receive citizenry status often get it on that day.

Which I suppose is a nice take on the spirit of migration and movement of people. They hold a celebration in the capital... there are songs, sometimes politicians come out and give talks to new citizenry. People shake hands, hand out certificates, cake. Plus it's the time politicians hand out citations and awards to citizenry based on ideals of charity, community and courage.

So it's not all one big; "First Fleet landing, fuck yeah!" If anything... probably a third of Australians don't likely know what the day actually commemorates 228 years ago. One of the big criticisms of holding all that on 9 May might be because one of our first big immigration reforms during the federation of the 6 colonies were telling most non-white migrants to go away. But I think it's still better than A-Day.

To be fair, the federation also allowed women the vote. And create a pension scheme. Mandatory education periods. Whole lot of stuff. There was a time Australia was the world's testing ground for 'zany' ideas concerning social welfare and progressivism. Too bad we left a whole lot of iniquity as well.

 

[shrekfan246]

Soooo.... I guess some didn't see my original post as a bit stupid, over the top, very hyperbolic, sarcastic at times and yes, the main bit here, a bit of a joke that wasn't serious about the whole subject in the first place? I even gave out a little disclaimer at the end.

How does anything on here turn heated? If I mention, "Peanut butter and jelly is the best sandwich around", will that turn into a 5+ page thread of heated "discussions"?

More like it would be ignored in favor of whoever made the thread "Peanut butter and jelly oppresses women?!?!"

Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.

 

[Sleepy Sol]

I don't have a problem with it - I just don't understand the being proud part of it.
I genuinely see continuing family and society as a collective moral duty, which is more pressing the more one has the social and economical abilities to do so.

People express pride in their sexuality when it breaches the societal norm because they are still marginalized, derided, and in the worst cases abused for something they probably can't control. I suppose in a more perfect world there wouldn't be much of a need to have any sort of pride in any sort of sexuality or differing identity. But we're clearly not there yet.

The second statement is all well and good really, and a pretty harmless opinion, though I definitely don't agree with a collective moral imperative to continue the family line or society. Basically, my view is, just do what you feel is right, whether that's having children or not, and fuck whatever someone else says about how you should manage your own life.

 

[wulfy42]

It's trending on Twitter.

Seriously though, how do things get days or months? What agency decides this stuff?

Doesn't have to be anyone, doesn't have to be official, a few of the big ones aren't. IIRC, the International Transgender Day of Remembrance doesn't have official status.

So all you need is to spread the word around?

We should start a holiday for the most pointless thing. like Air. Lets make a day to celebrate air.

Actually in some places celebrating air you can breathe would make sense, and in others it wouldn't because the air is so bad you have to wear masks.

 

[Saelune]

I think it makes perfect sense; I am genuinely proud of a sexuality that actually contributes to renew society.
Generating and raising children is costly and time consuming, but it is also emotionally rewarding and a fundamental necessity for the world.

I would not be proud of a sterile use of my sexuality, which would merely self-serving, nor I understand people that are.

Well, overpopulation is a major issue in the world today. Also we have the technology to non sexually create children. So even if everyone in the world was gay, life would go on, since I'm guessing the same % of gay people as straight people want to raise families, even if it means adopting or working with others to create them. Hell, even without the tech, I'm sure plenty of Gay men and women would put up with the act merely for the ability to have and raise children.

I would ask your opinion on condoms/safe sex as well with such a view.

 

[wulf3n]

Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.

Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?

 

[shrekfan246]

Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.

Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?

The thread itself, as it was started?

No.

Some of the posts in it, however?

Yes, very much so.

 

[wulf3n]

Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.

Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?

The thread itself, as it was started?

No.

Some of the posts in it, however?

Yes, very much so.

Really?

... huh, I must go to some pretty shitty places, because the Escapist is one of the tamest places I know.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

I don't have a problem with it - I just don't understand the being proud part of it.
I genuinely see continuing family and society as a collective moral duty, which is more pressing the more one has the social and economical abilities to do so.

Which is garbage... there's no moral duty to protect all societies. Moreover, a society doesn't become more moral the more kids it has. Plenty of societies out there that I don't care a jot about if there were a revolution. It's not encumbent on me to make a moral evaluation as their right to exist. Maybe their people would be more happy in a society split into two, three, became a fire truck... who knows?

If we're talking economics... more children, everywhere, is better than less. But that economic truth is only beneficial to me. Someone who won't have kids due to infertility even before GRS, investing my money in businesses your children will consume and labour cheaply in. If that is a moral good then you might want to show me how. I call it 'business', and it need no morals. Laws perhaps... but not morals.

It might backfire in 80 years time. In which case a GTFR of 2.0~2.2 is ideal. Assuming we're talking about long term prospects of ecological stability. If shit hits the fan however, having more kids or not is not going to be a moral statement.

 

[shrekfan246]

Like Amyss said, it doesn't help that there's rather a history both on this website in particular and just on the internet in general of straight white people acting very aggrieved at not being pandered to 100% of the time in everything ever.

Do people really think threads like these are examples of "very aggrieved"?

The thread itself, as it was started?

No.

Some of the posts in it, however?

Yes, very much so.

Really?

... huh, I must go to some pretty shitty places, because the Escapist is one of the tamest places I know.

For the record, being aggrieved is this:

feeling resentment at having been unfairly treated.
"they were aggrieved at the outcome"

It has nothing to do with "tameness". This forum has long had a history of being incredibly passive-aggressive due in part to how the rules were enforced; that makes it far more "tame" than other websites where people are allowed to rant and rage openly without many consequences, but it doesn't stop people from being resentful of what they perceive to be unfair treatment. We have people in this very thread claiming that they're "being attacked" for simply being a straight white man. What else would you call that?

 

[wulf3n]

For the record, being aggrieved is this:

feeling resentment at having been unfairly treated.
"they were aggrieved at the outcome"

bitter indignation at having been treated unfairly

feeling or showing anger, hurt, or resentment because of bad experiences or a sense of unjust treatment.

They seem like pretty strong emotions, that I'm just not seeing here [on the escapist].

It has nothing to do with "tameness". This forum has long had a history of being incredibly passive-aggressive due in part to how the rules were enforced; that makes it far more "tame" than other websites where people are allowed to rant and rage openly without many consequences, but it doesn't stop people from being resentful of what they perceive to be unfair treatment.

That's not really what I was referring to by tame. I meant it more so in the level of emotion, not the level of attack.

We have people in this very thread claiming that they're "being attacked" for simply being a straight white man. What else would you call that?

The inherent loss of expression that stems from a significantly visual method of communication being stripped down to just words. probably.

 

[Schadrach]

Reactionary passive aggressive attack on the idea of gay pride. Rather childish in of itself, but a symptom of a greater issue.

Wait, have you actually seen someone use that hashtag who isn't either:

1. Complaining about the very idea of such a thing from an at least vaguely social justice related standpoint.

2. Mocking people in (1).

I haven't yet, but there's a lot of tweets out there.

Mind you, considering the timing of being just about 1 or 2 weeks after the shooting in Orlando, I wouldn't exactly be surprised if this hashtag was created by somebody on 4chan who just wanted to piss people off, like they did with the black guy in star wars a while back.

This is what it feels like to me. No proof, but it just "feels" like #EndFathersDay.

 

[K12]

And when are we going to get "white history month"!

 

[Thaluikhain]

Reactionary passive aggressive attack on the idea of gay pride. Rather childish in of itself, but a symptom of a greater issue.

Wait, have you actually seen someone use that hashtag who isn't either:

1. Complaining about the very idea of such a thing from an at least vaguely social justice related standpoint.

2. Mocking people in (1).

I haven't yet, but there's a lot of tweets out there.

TBH, not seen any tweets about this instance at all, but this is hardly the first time this has come up, or similar things like "White Pride". Now, sure, maybe this time it's not about reactionary bigots getting upset other people exist, but...it is. We know it is.

 

[shrekfan246]

They seem like pretty strong emotions, that I'm just not seeing here [on the escapist].

... I don't even know what to say to that. I'm serious, if you think "indignation" and "bitterness" are strong emotions, then I actually don't know how to continue having a conversation here.

EDIT: For clarity, I believe they can certainly fester into strong emotions, but don't imply strong emotions by themselves.

That's not really what I was referring to by tame. I meant it more so in the level of emotion, not the level of attack.

Again, have you literally never seen someone bottle up their emotions? Generally speaking, people can be pretty good at that, especially since around here letting your anger out will frequently result in punishment.

Also, people posting in these sociopolitical threads get emotional all the time. If you haven't been seeing it, then once again, I don't know what to say.

The inherent loss of expression that stems from a significantly visual method of communication being stripped down to just words. probably.

I'm glad someone is firing back. It is annoying being told i'm evil due to my sexuality and having that demonization be cuturally acceptable.

Not really sure what exactly is being lost in that expression, there, but okay.