#HetrosexualPrideDay

[Silvanus]

That's arguing apples and oranges though. Hard numbers on percentage of LGBT identifying people varies too much but looking at rough numbers, cis gendered people are still far more likely percentage wise to be murdered and it's hard to imagine assault is much different.

No, that's simply not true. Transphobic hate crime is common;

http://hrc-assets.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com//files/assets/resources/HRC-AntiTransgenderViolence-0519.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/13/transgender-homicide-victims-us-has-hit-historic-high
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/26/transphobic-transgender-hate-crime-rise-uk-police-figures

The HRC [http://www.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/Hatecrimesandviolenceagainstlgbtpeople_2009.pdf] reports that Transgender people are disproportionately likely to suffer hate crime, even in statistical comparison with other LGBT demographics. Lombardi [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11991568] reported that of his sample, 50% had experienced harassment or violence. That's significantly higher than the likelihood experienced by cisgendered people.

So, by all statistical and research points of view, somebody who is trans is at a higher risk of harassment, violence and murder.

Either way people are still getting fucked up for stupid reasons and all this identity nonsense does is create division imo.

Frankly, the causes of violence have to be identified if they are to be combated and prevented. You cannot prevent violence if you do not know why, where, and to whom it is happening. Demography is intensely important.

 

[RaikuFA]

Wait, why tell people that are trying to be on the LGBT community's side to pretty much fuck off just because they're straight? Kinda counterproductive.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

I saw the hashtag. The only people who were using it were the people whining about it being a thing, and people who where laughing at the whiners.

 

[CaitSeith]

Congratulations! You just beat PsychicTaco on making the best absurd posts out of nothing. What are you going to do now?

*passes the mic to Parasondox*

 

[Silvanus]

Wait, why tell people that are trying to be on the LGBT community's side to pretty much fuck off just because they're straight? Kinda counterproductive.

Has anybody actually done that? I'm not seeing it anywhere.

 

[Parasondox]

Congratulations! You just beat PsychicTaco on making the best absurd posts out of nothing. What are you going to do now?

*passes the mic to Parasondox*

*Speaks into mic*

I am officially announcing my retire from the game of threads. I like to thank, my fans, family, PsychicTaco, hoping he doesn't get deported if Trump comes into power, and all y'all are the real MVP.

I REGRET NOTHING!!

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Pffffffft more like Heterosexual Shame Day.

Seriously what's wrong with some people? It's like the White Pride thing. "I know these people were oppressed for hundreds of years, BUT I WANT A HASHTAG TOO".

It's childish, really.

Along the same lines, we should start a Grizzled and Brown-Haired Male Game Protagonist Day. Also known as Dudebromas.

The one-dimensional cardboard cutouts - I mean, the bros - need representation too!

 

[Avnger]

Pffffffft more like Heterosexual Shame Day.

Seriously what's wrong with some people? It's like the White Pride thing. "I know these people were oppressed for hundreds of years, BUT I WANT A HASHTAG TOO".

It's childish, really.

Along the same lines, we should start a Grizzled and Brown-Haired Male Game Protagonist Day. Also known as Dudebromas.

The one-dimensional cardboard cutouts - I mean, the bros - need representation too!

You say DudeBro regarding this, but I've seen a very large number of people who love to trash on dudebros as not real gamers lose their minds anytime a character who couldn't be described like that is included in a game....

 

[RaikuFA]

Wait, why tell people that are trying to be on the LGBT community's side to pretty much fuck off just because they're straight? Kinda counterproductive.

Has anybody actually done that? I'm not seeing it anywhere.

There was one poster who mentioned their friend who's straight that they tried to help out with a gay pride parade and some gays were upset about it.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

You say DudeBro regarding this, but I've seen a very large number of people who love to trash on dudebros as not real gamers lose their minds anytime a character who couldn't be described like that is included in a game....

Oh, I know.

That's because the Brown-Haired and Stubble-Sporting Caucasian Male in his Mid-to-Late Thirties - or BHSSCMMLT, pronounced "Beskmelt" - is the aesthetic average in the industry. Include one of those, and you instantly guarantee that 75% of your audience will feel adequately represented. Mention any other type of protagonist, though, and the Beskmelts immediately turn defensive, more or less crowing "BUT WHAT ABOUT ME?! CATER TO ME! CATER TO ME NOW OR I'LL TAKE TO REDDIT!"

 

[Silvanus]

There was one poster who mentioned their friend who's straight that they tried to help out with a gay pride parade and some gays were upset about it.

I'm having trouble finding this. Could you link me?

Even if true (on which point I have my doubts, considering the number of supportive straight people at most Pride events, and the sheer nonissue it is), this is the most trivial crap.

 

[Lightknight]

The whole point of gay pride was a strength in numbers thing in a world where they faced SERIOUS repercussions physically, psychologically, and financially for being out.

I get that some of you are saying heterosexuals get some back talk from whatever group, but it is hardly the mass oppression that would somehow require anything like what the LGBT community needed just to stand strong together.

Trying to set this up in contrast with gay pride trivializes the reason why gay pride was necessary in the first place. It's like a petulant child saying, "Hold on now, my brother gets an inhaler? I want one too. I don't have asthma but I better get one!"

Besides, don't we already have Mardi Gras? (and by default every other parade/day)

 

[K12]

Trying to set this up in contrast with gay pride trivializes the reason why gay pride was necessary in the first place. It's like a petulant child saying, "Hold on now, my brother gets an inhaler? I want one too. I don't have asthma but I better get one!"

That's a great analogy. I'm totally going to steal it.

LGBT Pride is about solidarity rather than simply being happy about your own sexuality. You can actually march and join in with gay pride events whilst being heterosexual, I have and it was really fun. I for one have never been discriminated against by any LGBT people for being heterosexual... and even if you have been then you're still in the overwhelming majority so how much effect would it have actually had on your life compared to a gay person who's been disowned from their family or bullied at school or alienated from their religion or community etc.?

It's true that being openly homophobic can get you a lot of aggro... but you aren't entitled to have people be nice to you if you act like a prick.

 

[McElroy]

Don't we all celebrate lesbians every day in the comfort of our own homes? Truly this decadence has spread too far and wide. Back in my day you'd get labeled "hoe of the week" if someone saw you licking your lips in public!

OK, the Day is fine, let them have it, BUT only unwanted children are allowed to attend the parade. Y'know, something truly unique to heterosexual relationships.

 

[RaikuFA]

There was one poster who mentioned their friend who's straight that they tried to help out with a gay pride parade and some gays were upset about it.

I'm having trouble finding this. Could you link me?

Even if true (on which point I have my doubts, considering the number of supportive straight people at most Pride events, and the sheer nonissue it is), this is the most trivial crap.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.939928-HetrosexualPrideDay?page=2#23705245

Either way you're only hurting your own cause, and I think any member of the LGBT community that discriminates is nothing more than a hypocrite.

 

[Silvanus]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.939928-HetrosexualPrideDay?page=2#23705245

Righto. No actual detail, there, of course, so we don't actually know what happened. The number of times I've seen people claim discrimination on the basis of a few snarky remarks on the internet has made me more than a little wary; I have yet to see much of any substance.

Either way you're only hurting your own cause, and I think any member of the LGBT community that discriminates is nothing more than a hypocrite.

"Discriminates" by... saying a few trivial things? Well, sure, it can be irritating, but that's not remotely comparable to actual systemic discrimination, so it's a little rich to call that hypocrisy.

Frankly, it'd be absurd to take the actions of "any member of the LGBT community" and judge all those who share their demographic on that basis. The fault would lie almost entirely in whoever was engaging in guilt-by-association by judging the "cause" for what that member said.

 

[Saelune]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.939928-HetrosexualPrideDay?page=2#23705245

Righto. No actual detail, there, of course, so we don't actually know what happened. The number of times I've seen people claim discrimination on the basis of a few snarky remarks on the internet has made me more than a little wary; I have yet to see much of any substance.

Either way you're only hurting your own cause, and I think any member of the LGBT community that discriminates is nothing more than a hypocrite.

"Discriminates" by... saying a few trivial things? Well, sure, it can be irritating, but that's not remotely comparable to actual systemic discrimination, so it's a little rich to call that hypocrisy.

Frankly, it'd be absurd to take the actions of "any member of the LGBT community" and judge all those who share their demographic on that basis. The fault would lie almost entirely in whoever was engaging in guilt-by-association by judging the "cause" for what that member said.

It should still be noted that discriminated people can themselves be bigots, and its certainly sad when it happens. Even the early gay rights movement were themselves flooded with sexism and racism. Thinking that women, lesbians included should still be doing solely domestic work, and keeping out transgendered people so they don't hurt their image.

Even today effeminate homosexuals are still often discriminated against by "straight-acting" gays who feel they again, hurt their image to mainstream society.

Not to say a few bad apples give people the right to dismiss the LGBT community at large, but there are plenty who have the idea in their head that discriminated people intrinsically CAN NOT discriminate, and that's a dangerous thing. You cannot expect people to treat you equally if you wont do the same.

 

[Silvanus]

It should still be noted that discriminated people can themselves be bigots, and its certainly sad when it happens. Even the early gay rights movement were themselves flooded with sexism and racism. Thinking that women, lesbians included should still be doing solely domestic work, and keeping out transgendered people so they don't hurt their image.

Even today effeminate homosexuals are still often discriminated against by "straight-acting" gays who feel they again, hurt their image to mainstream society.

Well, certainly, but I don't think anybody is denying this. I'm contesting the idea that getting a bit defensive about Pride constitutes significant discrimination or hypocrisy. I've not seen this supposed discrimination against straight people, nor have I heard any credible account, and am damn near certain it's just a number of trivial incidents being blown out of proportion. Not remotely comparable.

 

[RaikuFA]

It should still be noted that discriminated people can themselves be bigots, and its certainly sad when it happens. Even the early gay rights movement were themselves flooded with sexism and racism. Thinking that women, lesbians included should still be doing solely domestic work, and keeping out transgendered people so they don't hurt their image.

Even today effeminate homosexuals are still often discriminated against by "straight-acting" gays who feel they again, hurt their image to mainstream society.

Well, certainly, but I don't think anybody is denying this. I'm contesting the idea that getting a bit defensive about Pride constitutes significant discrimination or hypocrisy. I've not seen this supposed discrimination against straight people, nor have I heard any credible account, and am damn near certain it's just a number of trivial incidents being blown out of proportion. Not remotely comparable.

I was more curious as to why a gay person wouldn't want a straight person involved with pride parades.

 

[Saelune]

It should still be noted that discriminated people can themselves be bigots, and its certainly sad when it happens. Even the early gay rights movement were themselves flooded with sexism and racism. Thinking that women, lesbians included should still be doing solely domestic work, and keeping out transgendered people so they don't hurt their image.

Even today effeminate homosexuals are still often discriminated against by "straight-acting" gays who feel they again, hurt their image to mainstream society.

Well, certainly, but I don't think anybody is denying this. I'm contesting the idea that getting a bit defensive about Pride constitutes significant discrimination or hypocrisy. I've not seen this supposed discrimination against straight people, nor have I heard any credible account, and am damn near certain it's just a number of trivial incidents being blown out of proportion. Not remotely comparable.

I was more curious as to why a gay person wouldn't want a straight person involved with pride parades.

Because that person is just mean most likely. Some people like to exclude instead of include. Any self-respecting gay person would love to have straight people get involved or just enjoy the festivities. Anyone who would keep out someone for merely being straight is doing themselves and the LGBT community a disservice.