#HetrosexualPrideDay

[Gengisgame]

If you've read the thread, you'd have read the several times where the concept of Gay Pride was explained. It has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

I just quoted multiple people in the first 2 pages, probably more buried in the first 2 pages in the longer posts.

All I can think of is that your going to foolishly say gay pride is about gays being accepted or whatever not realizing that amounts to the same thing.

The reason you didn't give me this other reason as to why gay pride is ok but straight isn't is because you know I'm right.

 

[Parasondox]

I assume i said that one and I ADMITTED that was doing an unfunny stupid satire. Pointing out something and putting an opposite twist. The joke dead because I now have to explain the joke.

Do I need to put a larger disclaimer?

Which only works if you believe pride is only for the oppressed proving my point.

Here's what your entire point came down to.

"oh that stupid group, having pride when I don't think enough of them have suffered compared to this other group, lol"

Good night ladies and gents. I think I am done for the evening. Everything I say will cause a fire.

I'm out.

 

[Silvanus]

I just quoted multiple people in the first 2 pages, probably more buried in the first 2 pages in the longer posts.

You quoted multiple people, none of whom were actually expressing the sentiment you attributed to them. You're still ascribing their motivations to them.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

I assume i said that one and I ADMITTED that was doing an unfunny stupid satire. Pointing out something and putting an opposite twist. The joke dead because I now have to explain the joke.

Do I need to put a larger disclaimer?

Which only works if you believe pride is only for the oppressed proving my point.

Here's what your entire point came down to.

"oh that stupid group, having pride when I don't think enough of them have suffered compared to this other group, lol"

Good night ladies and gents. I think I am done for the evening. Everything I say will cause a fire.

I'm out.

There is, unfortunately, no explaining to some people. For your own sanity it is best not get caught in the cycle unless you have the patience of a saint to endlessly repeat yourself. So many try and pretend we are already living in an equal world with no past or present discriminatory problems, it is some favourite passive-aggressive stance that seems to be eternally brought up to try and reverse the whole debate, without understanding the fundamentals of why the debate is even there. Imagine if the Jewish people had to deal with the Nazis (why does autocorrect capitalise that?) claiming they should be treated precisely the same because this is an equal world and the Nazis need a pride day too! While completely ignoring history and context just to sound like they're the ones now being oppressed. Now before any fucker decides to jump on that as me-equating-straights-to-nazis, don't even bother, that's not what I meant, it is the persecution of the Jews part that the pride day is supposed to equate to. It would be like any non-Jewish German saying they need to have just the same recognition for a persecution they, at best, wasnt involved in. Like...why is the difference so hard to understand? It has to be willful ignorance, I honestly cannot see what else.
If people want that sort of recognition for no other reason than they feel bad from seeing these others stand up for their liberties that are still a problem across the world, then fine. No one is stopping them, but it's not very classy and it appears incredibly childish and self-absorbed.

 

[Something Amyss]

Your right I don't, never said I did yet here you are doing just that so your already off to a bad start.

Except I'm not doing just that. I'm speaking from the position of one of the accused. I simply said that thal's context is right, whereas you're trying to dictate we're saying something else.

quote from TC "I mean, hetros cant even show any signs of affection to their other half without verbal abuse thrown at them, they struggle to marry the one they love and the most recent issue surrounding bathrooms"

Right. That OP that is blatantly absurd, playing on real-world issues faced by the LGBT community and the sort of false equivalence that seems to be quite popular around here, and...oh yeah, he repeatedly explicitly stated it was a joke.

Not a good start.

"Kids don't exactly get shipped off the church camps to get the straight beat and starved out of them."

Which says what about being proud of it where?

"What else is there to be proud about being straight for? Gay people have suffered people trying to erase them for a very long time, and still do. That is why they have Pride. "

Of course, Phasmal used a capitol P in "Pride" to indicate the event, which doesn't mesh with your claim:

but the idea of this all seems to be about finding pride in the idea that others of a group that you belonged to suffered, I find that loathsome.

We have Pride to celebrate a group that's been told it should not be. We are not celebrating suffering, but fighting against it.

You that desperate to ignore criticism of your progressive group that you'll outright lie.

And yet, you said thal was dictating the actions of others, and then misquoted two people to claim that he was. Your initial entry into this topic was essentially to complain that straight people might have problems, too, ignoring the thrust of the message in here.

And on that note: yeah. Nobody said straight people can't suffer. What does that have to do with this? You've already demonstrated you're aware we're talking about systematic oppression, because you've literally used those words, so as far as I can tell, you're intentionally comparing apples to oranges.

Moreover, it appears to be symptomatic of what Phasmal was replying to. The notion that someone might be so incensed over the LGBT community getting a small amount of attention that they will try and justify antipathy. Your idea of "whining about straight people" seems to be nothing more than people pointing out that straight people don't suffer the same kind of systemic oppression, the almost guaranteed danger that LGBT folk do. Pointing out that you don't suffer specifically for being straight seems to be some great insult to you. Why?

The reason you didn't give me this other reason as to why gay pride is ok but straight isn't is because you know I'm right.

Thal doesn't have to give a reason. One has already been given. Repeatedly.

 

[shrekfan246]

While completely ignoring history and context just to sound like they're the ones now being oppressed.

Well, there are more Holocaust-deniers out there than there should be.

Pointing out that you don't suffer specifically for being straight seems to be some great insult to you. Why?

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! People who feel like life has been unfair to them have a hard time accepting that they have certain privileges afforded to them that make their life relatively better than a more disadvantaged person's would be in the same or a similar position.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well, there are more Holocaust-deniers out there than there should be.

And people screaming "white genocide!" because...umm...white people don't have ALL the power anymore. Yes, sharing is exactly like the attempt to wipe out an entire ethnic group.

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! People who feel like life has been unfair to them have a hard time accepting that they have certain privileges afforded to them that make their life relatively better than a more disadvantaged person's would be in the same or a similar position.

The weird thing is, what constitutes unfairness.

"I once saw someone mock straights on Tumblr!"
"People routinely try and hurt or kill gay people."
"God, how self-absorbed can you be?":

 

[Drathnoxis]

This is just disgusting! Why do threads like these always get so many comments, why can't we have 300 post discussions about any of the things I want to talk about? When exactly did the Escapist become a community that only wants to discuss politics?

 

[Jamcie Kerbizz]

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Funny how self rightious rambling is even more funny when you can't tell what triggered it because context has been cut out.

On more serious note, LGBT activist should be more concerned about neutral bystandars not antagonists (homophobes). Why? Because there are fewer of the latter in any given modern, western society right now and you don't want this to revert. Do you think that this whole mockery has been devised by group which hates people because of their sexual preferances or bunch of bored dicks who are just weary of the 'parades' getting spotlight altogeather.

It's pretty much like accusing every person demanding to drop black history month of KKK membership. Only... Morgan Freeman is in that group as well and he'd have a really hard time to pass up for KKK member.

What I wrote previously applies. Best way to defuse silly prank is to play along with it. Make some friends, have a laugh = win.

Being a non-heterosexual is normal = nothing special, be sure to nurse that valuable equality state, instead of pressuring to make it stand out and be 'special'.
Coming again back to Freeman, he gets that. When he said, that black history IS american history and needs not a 'special' segregated treatment.

 

[Vault101]

it's dumb

it's a dumb thing for reasons I'm sure have been sufficiently explained but the short of it is pretty much every day is hetero-pride day because heterosexuality is present and celebrated in our culture, hence why most of the hashtag was people making fun of the concept

pride exists in response to mainstream society's attitude towards gay people, it is a reminder that we are not less than, something some of us need to be reminded of ourselves and that in turn is something straight people don't often experience

 

[Something Amyss]

This is just disgusting! Why do threads like these always get so many comments, why can't we have 300 post discussions about any of the things I want to talk about? When exactly did the Escapist become a community that only wants to discuss politics?

It's not like it's anything new. "Politics" and fad posts, mostly.

Though I do miss the days of "your girlfriend and your neighbour's dog are drowning and you can only save one" threads.

 

[happyninja42]

This is just disgusting! Why do threads like these always get so many comments, why can't we have 300 post discussions about any of the things I want to talk about? When exactly did the Escapist become a community that only wants to discuss politics?

It's not like it's anything new. "Politics" and fad posts, mostly.

Though I do miss the days of "your girlfriend and your neighbour's dog are drowning and you can only save one" threads.

I don't. I found those threads incredibly annoying, given how many of them would pop up, and they'd be things like "Anita Sark and Hitler are drowning, and you MUST save one, which is it." clearly trying to bait for an argument. But to be fair, they were as useful and relevant as most of the ones we have now...meaning not very useful or relevant. Just time fillers basically.

Seriously though, how about we just let this thread die Escapees? It's WAY past the day in question, do we really need to speak of it any more at this point?

 

[Something Amyss]

On more serious note, LGBT activist should be more concerned about neutral bystandars not antagonists (homophobes). Why? Because there are fewer of the latter in any given modern, western society right now and you don't want this to revert.

Based on? Because based on the polling and reactions I've seen, there isn't much in the way of

Do you think that this whole mockery has been devised by group which hates people because of their sexual preferances or bunch of bored dicks who are just weary of the 'parades' getting spotlight altogeather.

Well, this wasn't aimed at me, but I'll go ahead and respond anyway:

I don't care. Neither attitude is good. Morgan Freeman is wrong. He was preaching that we stop looking at race at a time where he lived in a state actively curtailing his rights as a...well, I don't see race, and he doesn't want me to call him black, so I guess if his skull gets busted open by a cop shouting the N-word at him, I can't really say anything. I mean, Freeman has the luxury of being rich. He can move. Money somewhat protects him (though you've got plenty more black celebrities who can attest to how money doesn't solve all your racial problems).

What I wrote previously applies. Best way to defuse silly prank is to play along with it. Make some friends, have a laugh = win.

Except, weirdly, that didn't work for decades. Are you sure "win" isn't a way of saying "I don't have to hear about it anymore?"

Being a non-heterosexual is normal = nothing special, be sure to nurse that valuable equality state, instead of pressuring to make it stand out and be 'special'.

Then you're missing the repeatedly stated point.

 

[Something Amyss]

I don't. I found those threads incredibly annoying, given how many of them would pop up, and they'd be things like "Anita Sark and Hitler are drowning, and you MUST save one, which is it." clearly trying to bait for an argument. But to be fair, they were as useful and relevant as most of the ones we have now...meaning not very useful or relevant. Just time fillers basically.

That was kind of my point. I paralleled political threads with...political threads.

Seriously though, how about we just let this thread die Escapees? It's WAY past the day in question, do we really need to speak of it any more at this point?

If we only talk about issues when they happen, nothing ever gets done. Not to mention the specific day or hashtag may be gone, but the attitude remains. Look at the responses in here.

 

[Street Halo]

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I was talking violence in general and wouldn't even begin to argue that trans people wouldn't likely lead the hate crime demo but having said that, the pdf you linked points to most of those murder victims either being killed by partners or in robberies, neither of which could be considered hate crimes. That was a sad/hard read btw, thanks for the depressive thoughts.

Look I think I'm probably being stubborn to a degree and viewing this from my own lower class upbringing perspective, where violence occurred on every day ending with the letter "y". Trans women would be more likely to experience violence than the middle class and above cis/straights so I was wrong there.

As for demographics in violence, the pdf you linked showed that it's shades of grey and not black and white bigotry most of the time. Also speaking as someone with lived experience, violence (more often than not) is rather simplistic and mostly comes down to anger/opportunity. Most violent people are just plain angry and they'll use any excuse/opportunity to be violent for the sake of it. See a Transgendered person? Bash 'em! Wake up the next day, someone made eye contact? Bash 'em too!

I can't count on my fingers and toes the amount of people I've seen get smacked for no real reason other than simply being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. It's a sport to violent people.

 

[Street Halo]

Nearest and dearest, or "in the commission of another felony" is always in the top slot. Always. Leading causes of death always come after that, in the same way that "Heart Disease" is #1 cause of death.

Get it?

I get it. A partner isn't going to kill someone out of bigotry and robbery is almost always motivated by need and carried out when the opportunity presents itself. You can't just label something a hate crime because a transgendered person was involved and you feel it might have been, especially if there's no evidence to back it up.

So the partner ones are out and robbery is case by case.

 

[kurokotetsu]

Well, you guys should be aware that there exists the International Fetish Day [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fetish_Day] celebrated the third Friday of the year. There is also in Spanish speaking countries July the 24th, 24/7, which is a expresion used for BDSM relationships are all day long all the day.

Interesting....

I'm still far too ashamed of my unnatural tastes to ever be comfortable participating in such an event myself, but it's still interesting regardless!

It is interesting. I'm not ashamed but prefer to celebrate more intimate. But remember no need to be ashamed. I've had my inclinations, for as long as I can remembeer, and accepting them has been awesome. And if you are ashamed, maybe a small gesture, like wearing purple one day, can help you be more confortable with your tastes and accepting yourself. While you are not abusing anyone (I won't say anything about "harming" as inflicting pain can be awesome ) knock yourself out of the park. Being a pervert is awesome.

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lol Are you guys getting the Asian dating site ads or is it just me? I haven't looked up asian porn in weeks but google never forgets.

I have no idea why you made that comment. It has noting to do why my comment.

ANd if you care only about "Hate crimes", well here is the latest statisctic form the FBI: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

In there there are all the reported hate cirmes in 2014 in the FBI. According to them there where 1,248 reported cirmes due to sexual orientation. 98.5% of those where against LGBT population. Only 1.5% reported that were against stright people. FOr every cirme against a striagh person for being straight, there are 65 against the perception of an LGBT community. So hate crimes agisnt sexual preferences is extremely against LGBT, not straights. That is the reality in the US. And those are the only reported ones. There might be more dark numbers.