Hey Canadian Escapists, is it all it's cracked up to be?

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XT inc

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It's pretty great save for the high cost of things, even when the dollar was par or better than us prices with taxes where still a lot higher.

And the whole LCBO thing pisses me right off, as an ontarian I can safely say people will do dumb shit drinking booze at any price, but when it costs 50 bucks for bottom of the shelf swill liquors, it is just ridiculous. It is hard to throw parties because lets face it, if I want to serve a couple of things from the drunken moogle to guests, extreme wallet rape incoming trying to add variety to your bar.
 

The Madman

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Tis a beautiful place. Even after having travelled to quite a few other countries and spent time abroad there's nowhere I'd rather live than in Canada. The people are generally friendly, the cities are clean, and even the most crime-filled dens of scum and villainy (Edmonton, Dun Dun DUHHH!) are actually pretty damned nice places. I even like the weather! Right now it's a balmy 7°C outside with a pleasant warm breeze and a clear sky, beautiful weather.

Don't let all the 'grr politics' scare you either, even the most extreme politics in Canada are restrained in nature by comparison to just about anywhere else in the world.

I highly recommend Canada, from Newfoundland to British Columbia it's just a great place to live... except Winnipeg. Hate that place, eug.
 

The Breadcrab

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To be honest, I don't find it drastically different from the US.

The people might be a bit nicer here, though it depends on the area; Oakville (Ontario) is really polite, but there are some parts of London (also Ontario) where you'd rather not hang. There's also the health-care to consider, and we have Tim Hortons (basically a mash-up of other fast-food chains when it comes down to it, not bad tho). In terms of looks; eh. (we don't say that very often, contrary to popular belief) There are a lot of great sights here, don't get me wrong. But for every B.C. Island there's a downtown Mississauga. I've seen a lot of Hockey lovers in both US and Canada, though I'm not really following that so my opinion's limited. Apart from all that I can honestly say that both are decent countries with their ups and downs and are more or less run by corporations at this point. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

Also, if you do cross over, bring a fucking coat. A thick one. Our winters can be long and brutal.
 

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I'm loving all these responses - individual Canadians from some obscure or over-crowded corner of the country who believe their opinions and perspective fully encompass Canada as a whole.

For those of you asking, yes. Canada is a good country to live in, and our reputation for being accepting and friendly people is true, with a few exceptions. You'll find "exceptions" in every country. It's really kind of amusing to hear some people - on this thread alone - complaining loudly about how bigoted other parts of the country are. Make of that what you will.

But we try. We try very hard to live up to our ideals, no matter what part of the country you live in.

Ultimately, you have to see for yourself if Canada is right for you. The best people to talk to are immigrants who have moved here, especially from whatever region of the world you live in. I've met folk from Africa who were terrified to flush the toilets for fear of wasting water, because its worth its weight in gold in a Kenyan refugee camp, but it literally falls from the skies here.

One thing I will say is, yes, dress warmly. It's not so bad on the west coast like Vancouver, but for most of the country the winters are around seven months long and can be surprisingly cold. We've developed a fierce pride about suffering through it, though, and that Kenyan family that didn't want to flush their toilets were shocked by it for a few years but now they're just as prone to smiling when someone south of the border points it out.
 

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I love this country. If you live in the right area, you can get beautiful scenery without sacrificing too much in way of luxuries. I live right in between Toronto and Niagara Falls, and I'm bookended by Lake Ontario and the Niagara Escarpment.
Otherwise, most of the people around here are open-minded, and polite, and friendly. Being in my final year of high school, I can say that I'm a little pessimistic about what my generation will bring to the table, but I can take solace in the fact that unless we give birth to World War III, we won't ever be as bad as Harper.
Seriously, I don't know what the hell happened to our government. Harper's one step away from fascism (only mildly exaggerated) and we gave him a majority government. He's taken away so much of what is supposedly "Canadian" about us.
Oh, how I wish I lived in the age of Trudeau.
 

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Phlakes said:
On a related note, what are film schools (or universities with a good film program, I guess) like out there? I've been meaning to look into it.
I thoroughly enjoyed my time in Vancouver, I'm going back for a 4 year course.
 

craftomega

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Canada's culture is more covert then in comparasin to the US. Many issues such as rasism or sexism still exist in Canada you just have to look a bit harder. But as many poeple here have said in general Canada is a great place to live. Free health care, public insurance (In some provinces), cheaper education (It costs me 6k a year to go to a Large Univercity, and that is including books.), and many other things. If you were to move to Canada I would look at getting a dual citizenship to ensure that you may benifit from our public systems.

On a personal note, if you are looking for a place similar to the states, I would go to Alberta. Edmonton or Calgary will do. We have the most Capitalist systems out of all the provinces. If you dont care, then please keep in mind; BC is generaly insanly exspensive to live in.
 

Yumore

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Nowhere is perfect but I'm proud to be a Canadian citizen. Our governments not perfect but it's designed in a way so that one person isn't to blame so if you like political arguments usually it ends up with finding out just who's idea that was.
As far as the social acceptance goes, it's not too bad. I spent time in a few place in the U.S. and I've seen much worse and more open hating of minority groups there.
If I had to make a clear suggestion. Come here to run from SOPA. Seriously I don't think that has much a chance of surviving here.
 

lacktheknack

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I love it here. I don't even hate the government... making it pretty clear that I live in Alberta. :p

I think you'd like it. BRING WARM CLOTHING if you're going to settle in the mainland away from the coast.
 

lacktheknack

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The Madman said:
and even the most crime-filled dens of scum and villainy (Edmonton, Dun Dun DUHHH!) are actually pretty damned nice places.
Oh come now. The crime isn't THAT bad. Just stay off of Whyte at night. And Jasper Avenue. And stay away from Mill Woods. And the river valley. And Southgate. And Northgate. And Claireview. And Eaux Claires. And the area around Rexall Place. And the slummy bit by Commonwealth Stadium. And keep out of the train tunnels in the evening. And all of downtown, for that matter. Better stay away from the University of Alberta campus in the wee hours too, just in case. Don't hang around Whitemud either. Or Millgate. Or Terwilliger.

But if you keep away from those places, you'll be fine! :p

But the man speaks the truth... I like Edmonton, even though I don't feel safe in half of it half the time. But I've not been killed yet, or even mugged, and there's still a lot of city pride, and we keep most of it looking nice. Plus, the University of Alberta is fantastic.
 

Lonan

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I think the most important thing to be said here is that Canadians blow our problems completely out of proportions, (AKA the parroting on this thread of "Harper's a dick, so we're no different from the U.S.") and the debate, on the rare occasions we have one, is far different than in the U.S.

My jaw literally drops when I see what passes for politics in the U.S. (Disclaimer, the following may be unintentionally offensive and not mention Canadian ills, but that just how I roll my D20.)
Debates over genetically modified food? Whether or not global warming is caused by humans? Whether or not creationism is true? Should the "other side of the debate" (evolution, global warming) be taught in schools? Debate over the morality of homosexuality or abortion? You might have a columnist who has to pump something out once a week write about the morality of abortion once or twice in their career, but I am pleased to report that these debates are effectively non-existent here.

Right not we're debating how best to provide adequate housing for our first nations people, and what we can do to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions. I think if you really want to understand a country, see what they're talking about, what they have talked about, and when they've talked about it. My fellow Canadians will be modest and with laid back patriotism to excess, but when we look at what goes on in the U.S., we all shake our heads collectively. Someone saying she would rather have Hitler then that socialist-facist Obama?

As for being gay, (sorry, bisexual with a strong preference for males. Don't worry about it, the concept of homosexuality is only 1 or 2 centuries old anyway, don't fit yourself into one of those "sexuality" categories) anyone who sayes something which might sound even remotely like an anti-gay slur is torn to ribbons by the media and society in general.

Another thing I will mention is how I see differences of opinion expressed in the U.S. (picked up from media, Americans commenting on their country's politics) is an extremely us versus them, good versus evil level of ideological division. I've noticed (as a black and white, good versus evil, hardline ideologue myself) that people place a lot of importance on expressing ones opinion in a civilised and respectful manner. Being able to shake hands and smile after a fierce debate is a well regarded quality. What I see in the U.S. is almost a war of different ideologies, many of them believing themselves to be exclusively in the right.

If you don't like people being able to carry guns with themselves at all time, come to Canada. I find it deeply disturbing how much Americans seem to think they need a gun, and even more the belief that "a gun on the wall is a man's instrument of freedom" or whatever. I don't think we will all be safer if we all have guns, I believe the Canadian state can be trusted to have a monopoly on the means of coercion.

Something I don't like about the U.S. is the irrational fear of government. It really can't be that bad. If you don't like what it does, vote for someone else.

Ok, I'm tired, have a final on Monday, time to stop typing. The previous was probably poorly organised with poor grammer, just off the cuff stuff.
 

zHellas

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Few questions:

1.) I plan on going to a University here in the U.S. (hopefully shit won't fuck up during the time in between me going there and my 4 years there) for a Computer Science degree. If I do move to Canada hopefully after I get it, would I be able to use the degree to get a job in Canada?

2.) How exactly do I get dual citizenship for Canada & the U.S.?

3.) How much does it cost to go to a University in Canada?
 

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PumpItUp said:
If you're looking to get drunk every night, Halifax is the place to be. Most bars per capita in the country. You could get smashed at a different bar every night for a month, and if you decide to drunkenly stumble home there's a far less chance of you getting mugged than Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal.
I can Vouch for this. No, really, I've been on so many damn pub crawls and I still haven't hit every fucking bar. The Taxi's are really nice, and I've foolishly stumbled home pretty often, even through the Common's and Citadel hill and I've been alright.

Unfortunately, the taxes in NS blow pretty hard. Fuck, man. If I lived anywhere else, I'm pretty sure I'd have +$300 more on every pay cheque.
 

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zHellas said:
Few questions:

1.) I plan on going to a University here in the U.S. (hopefully shit won't fuck up during the time in between me going there and my 4 years there) for a Computer Science degree. If I do move to Canada hopefully after I get it, would I be able to use the degree to get a job in Canada?

2.) How exactly do I get dual citizenship for Canada & the U.S.?

3.) How much does it cost to go to a University in Canada?
1)Depends where you go and how good you are. Montreal has a growing circle of game developers and IT companies, but I'm not sure what the market will be like here in 4 years. I'm not sure about the rest of Canada, but my Brother in law has a masters in computer Science and he actually left the country to work in the states, so not a great prognosis for the jobs here. Then agaiin he got an offer from microsoft and that can be hard to turn down.

2) I know there is a citizenship test for Canada, much like the US, and as long as you can become a naturalised citizen you can hold both citizenships with little or no problems.

3) University costs will depend on the province. In Quebec our rates are stupid low (I'm paying about 4000$ a year) but as an out of province student your rates will be a lot higher. I think its like that for most Universities here, unless you are a citizen born in the province you are studying in, they can charge you more than the locals, since the Universities are largely funded by tax dollars.
 

MoNKeyYy

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Commissar Sae said:
3) University costs will depend on the province. In Quebec our rates are stupid low (I'm paying about 4000$ a year) but as an out of province student your rates will be a lot higher. I think its like that for most Universities here, unless you are a citizen born in the province you are studying in, they can charge you more than the locals, since the Universities are largely funded by tax dollars.
Ehhh, not sure about that. U of C or U of A would only be around that for me here in Alberta, and Calgary is second only to Vancouver for cost of living. I out of province Universities only seem like more becasue they cost more for out of province students.

OT: I think so? I don't have a lot of points of reference, but Education is good, socially we're pretty damn liberal, economically fairly moderate, there are still jobs (lots out west), education is good and there's no comparison as far as variety of environments and scenery are concerned. And we're pretty much the most secure western economy out there, so that's a definate bonus.
 

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Gmans uncle said:
Cody Velde said:
Also I find Canadian girls to be some of the hottest out there. You the girls from California in the states and it makes you shudder they look so fake. Now obviously not all American girls are like that but you get quite a few fake ones, and we do have those in Canada as well. I just find Canadian girls to just look better and healthier.
Is this a good time to mention that I'm a Bisexual male with a strong male preference?

Speaking of which, how's the LGBT community doing in Canada? Is it better up there or is there just as much homophobia as there is down here?
I can't speak for the whole of Canada but in my area, which is Toronto/the GTA you'd probably sooner be criticised for being homophobic than for being gay. As for the guys... Well, I find them good looking, generally.
 

Gmans uncle

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Yumore said:
If I had to make a clear suggestion. Come here to run from SOPA. Seriously I don't think that has much a chance of surviving here.
You read my mind buddy.
I still insist it wont pass, but the mere fact that our senators who are supposed to "represent the people" are actually considering it, knowing that the majority of Americans object to it, and simply not caring disgusts me.
Also NDAA has me scared out of my mind, not so much the bill itself but the protests and riots that will inevitably result (which will probably happen if SOPA passes as well), I want to get out of this hole before the shit hits the fan.
Also, I pretty much hate where I live. I'm a bisexual atheist living in Utah, a red state where the Mormon church has a disturbing amount of influence. I can vote for Obama all I want, and it doesn't count for shit because the majority of my state always votes republican because their church tells them too.
And our politics have become "elect the person who'll fuck us up THE LEAST," all the candidates for president in 2012 are literally clowns on both sides, Obama's probably not getting re-elected and I don't think I can take 4 years under any of the GOP candidates.

Lonan said:
Another thing I will mention is how I see differences of opinion expressed in the U.S. (picked up from media, Americans commenting on their country's politics) is an extremely us versus them, good versus evil level of ideological division. I've noticed (as a black and white, good versus evil, hardline ideologue myself) that people place a lot of importance on expressing ones opinion in a civilised and respectful manner. Being able to shake hands and smile after a fierce debate is a well regarded quality. What I see in the U.S. is almost a war of different ideologies, many of them believing themselves to be exclusively in the right.
You pretty much nailed us.
We've got some real crazies down here who think they're inherently right about everything just because they are.
I wish I had the room to quote your entire post, I agree with practically all of it.

craftomega said:
cheaper education (It costs me 6k a year to go to a Large Univercity, and that is including books.)
That sounds REALLY good to me, I plan on going to collage, but I didn't think I would be able to afford going to anywhere fancy because of my crap ACT scores, anyone know exactly how you obtain a student's visa in Canada?

On a side note... HOLY CRAP MATT REPLIED TO MY THREAD!!!!
I feel special. :)
 

keneth231742

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Canada is a better place to live then USA for several reasons

Economy
- Based on natural resources so no matter whats being manufactured we are getting paid.
- weather or not you care about the environment ,which you should, the oil sands make the
middle east seem small in comparison.
-the economy is more stable do to heavier banking regulations.

Freedom of speech and the press
-Hate speech or the promotion of hate and/or violence against another group of people is
illegal.
- our news channels and papers are less sensationalized.
thought the Canadian broadcasting Corporation [or CBC as it is commonly refereed to]is state
owned it is not state run and openly criticize the government on a regular biases.
- mock whatever party is in power[Bloc,liberal, New democrat,conservative,green,marijuana]it
dose not matter we all hate the one we got even if we voted for them.
Health care
-We have it you don't
-its socialized
-if you are diagnosed with an illness or injury you will be taken care of but getting
diagnosed may mean waiting six months for an MRI unless you pay for it yourself
- you cannot be turned away for being poor.

politics
-ours is a parliamentary democracy meaning we have a royal family but they hold next to no
real power.
- their are multiple parties not just two.
-currently their are five with seats in the house of commons. listed by most seats held it
goes conservative, NDP, liberal, bloc, and green.

misc./humor/common phrases/trivia
- the drinking age is set by province meaning that it varies between 18 to 19 depending
where you plan to live.
- you can own guns, but you do not have any right to them.
- Canada fought the US and won in the war of 1812 and burned the white house down.
- "Tim Horton's" is an ancient Inuit word for holy ground
- A "two four" means a 24 pack of beer
- Epic Meal Time is made in Montreal Quebec
- we are a bilingual country
- nous sommes un pays bilingue


After all these facts and opinions the choice of whether you stay or, not is up to you.Hope you move up here and wish you the best of luck in your endeavors, Just remember the grass maybe greener on the other side but it's still covered in snow.
 

Boggelz

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I've always been quite proud of being Canadian so I'd say its pretty damn nice here. Kind of annoys me how we can't get some products that Americans get but as long as i can live without my Trix cereal I love it here.