Hey. Isn't this a Utopian future?

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philosophicalbastard said:
Sturmdolch said:
If this was Utopia, sex robots indistinguishable from real humans would be serving my every desire, and I could cease thinking whilst remaining blissfully ignorant of their vicegrip on the world we once called our own.
I'd give it a decade tops till that happens.

This thought has also crossed my mind a few times. We are gods on this planet, we can make anything we want happen. So why the hell is everyone so wrapped up in stupid shit like the economy?
Because society is only as good as its people. If people are involved in "stupid shit" like the economy, society can't shed it.

Ideally, we'd all work towards higher, lofty, greater goals. Realistically, we've all got petty stuff to work on.
 

TheLaofKazi

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Oh trust me, there is plenty of shit going on in the world. Sure, many issues and injustices of the past aren't problems today, or aren't big ones, but new ones always come up, but in different forms that we don't quite recognize quickly enough. And even some of those problems may not be as bad as some of the issues of the past, they are still problems. Sure, we don't force our kids to go work in dangerous factory conditions, we just forcibly send them to an inefficient, counter-intellectual school system and misdiagnose them with mental disorders and drug them if they aren't compatible with such an environment. Sure, these drugs might not cut their hands off, but drugs such as Ritalin, while still generally ineffective, can cause depression, heart problems, anxiety, dependency on the drug, more serious mental health issues down the line, and even death in rare cases. Are these two things really that different?

Also, America contains 25% of our planet's prison population. We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, and the private-prison industry is a rapidly growing and highly profitable. The prison population manufactures a significant amount of both military and consumer goods for little or not pay. This dramatic increase in incarceration is largely the result of rigid sentencing laws, tough, but still ineffective drug laws, and recidivism. Despite how prisons don't really solve criminal issues, they are more widely used them ever in America. Honestly, I hate to be that guy, but how is this really all that different from the slave trade back then? Do all of these people really deserve this kind of punishment, aren't there better ways to solve these issues or prevent them? And need I remind you, that the private-prison industry benefits from crime. How is that moral?
 

humor_involuntario

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Not even in canada...
Do you know the amount of problems with the health care you have?
Or how cheateable you'r goverment is? (pherhaps the worst person in whole mexico managed to make them belive that he was a polititcal prisoner and every mexican is trying to kill him! so we now need visas for you'r country... and I have family there lol)
that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay far from an Utopia
 

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Sturmdolch said:
If this was Utopia, sex robots indistinguishable from real humans would be serving my every desire, and I could cease thinking whilst remaining blissfully ignorant of their vicegrip on the world we once called our own.
A utopia is a perfect society, one without wars and everyone coexists with each other. It doesn't necessarily have to abide with ultimate hedonistic desires.
 

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NOW I DEMAND THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE TO BEGIN-...wait, Undead Nightmare Finished Installing?
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Gotta go!! ;)
 

Mr. Omega

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A utopian world is impossible for one simple reason. What I consider a utopia and what you consider a utopia can be very different. I can have my own utopia, but I doubt the rest of the world will consider it a utopia.

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Mordwyl said:
Sturmdolch said:
If this was Utopia, sex robots indistinguishable from real humans would be serving my every desire, and I could cease thinking whilst remaining blissfully ignorant of their vicegrip on the world we once called our own.
A utopia is a perfect society, one without wars and everyone coexists with each other. It doesn't necessarily have to abide with ultimate hedonistic desires.
Perfect example! Two entirely different ideas on a utopian society!
 

Internet Kraken

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Even the most advanced society of the distant future would not be considered a utopia. A utopia is, by definition, perfect in every single way. Is is a flawless society in which everyone lives a wonderful life. Even in first world countries this is nowhere close to a reality, and that's not even getting into the situation in third world countries.

However, I do agree with the sentiment that many people, probably all of us in one way or another, take the benefits we enjoy in this modern era for granted. When you stop to think about it, this is really an amazing period in human history. Incredibly technologies are being researched across the globe, advancing our knowledge in fields of science not even dreamed of in the old ages. People in general live longer, healthier lives in comfort. The internet gives us a vast collection of knowledge, facts, opinions, entertainment and many other things, and it is all readily available from your home in minutes. Never before has communication been so simple and easy. And it is the advancement of this communication and our ability to spread knowledge that is bringing the human race together.

I'm certainly not saying that we have no right to feel depressed or complain about some things in our life. I recently was forced to acknowledge my parents getting a divorce. It broke my damn heart, and I still feel terrible about it. I'm not going to pretend it's a minor thing. But I'm trying to focus on the positives, and realize just how lucky we all are to be living in this time period.

starfox444 said:
Slavery, poverty and unreliable sources of energy. Future looks great. I'm not whining and complaining about how miserable my life is. I'm complaining about how miserable the lives of other people can be.
You can acknowledge these issues without complaining about them in a pessimistic manner. I think to many people approach these problems with a negative attitude. I find optimism to be a lot more encouraging when you're trying to find a solution. Don't get why people prefer to be pessimistic.
 

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King Toasty said:
I mean, come on. We can love, hate, rage, and do whatever we want. At least in Canada.
And therein lies the catch.

Things are great in America if you're the rich, or the super rich. But if you're the poor or the working poor, you have to struggle to even afford the basics. And forget about health care. Unless you're lucky enough to work for a company with a decent health plan, you'll be stitching up that nasty cut you got (while trying to fix the kitchen sink) with a home sewing kit and super glue.


I mean, sure we're not as bad off as most places. But if you have to work more than 1 job to afford the bare minimum of a leaky roof over your head(vagrancy is a crime here, you can be arrested for being homeless), then this place is more like "Metropolis" where some people get to live in Utopia and others don't.

And no, I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. This isn't what could happen, this is what's happening right now.
 

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Utopia? Hardly. But utopia's are an impossible idea anyway. It means literally a perfect society. We still have crime, murder, an imperfect legal system, poor etc.
However, I agree. For a lot of us, life is great. So stop whining. But not everyone. Not even everyone in first world countries. There's homeless people, poor people in the U.S.A who can't afford health insurance
 

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No, this isn't a Utopia. Lots of people still strugle through life, even here in America. Those who have their physical needs fullfiled are emotionally unsated, people who are Emotionally fine are starving, and everyone has some level of mental strain no matter what their position in life. There is still war, there are still arguements, there are still miscariages in both pregnancy and the justice system.

It is not a utopia. But is that truly bad. If everyone had everything provided for them and lacked nothing, how would we know who was good or who was smart? If the cruel and the stupid were to express themselves then it would be no utopia, but if they don't express themselves then no one else would need to. Without villains there would be no need for heroes, without danger we would not know the comfort of safety, and without the suffering of war how would we know the value of peace?
 

TheTejs

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King Toasty said:
I mean, come on. We can love, hate, rage, and do whatever we want. At least in Canada.
So please, stop whining about how miserable your life is. It's fan-fucking-tastic.

You go home, open a can of pop, turn on your PS3, and complain about how much your life sucks because your internet failed. Mhm.
bet the people in the 3rd world or many of the people in the middle east wouldn't say this
you dick
 

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Internet Kraken said:
Even the most advanced society of the distant future would not be considered a utopia. A utopia is, by definition, perfect in every single way. Is is a flawless society in which everyone lives a wonderful life.
Utopia the word, was invented by Saint Thomas More in his book of the same name. It described a small island with a small community. the island was not without crime, poverty or war but the people had equality, liberty and fraternity. the comflicted nature of a utopian ideal proves it as exactly that an ideal. you have changed the meaning of utopia from the best possible community to the perfect community.

As far as weather we live in a utopia, I get enough money to live on, spend my time reading and don't realy have that much to worry about. I think that if every one had a life as nice as mine and enjoyed it as much, then we would be close enough to utopia.

Also I would hate to live in Thomas' Utopia because Atheism was a capital crime.
 

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Well nothing's perfect, but our time is pretty damn good by my standards.

I mean come on, Stephen Fry and Gabe Newell exist right now! Imagine if they met in the same room...watching Red Dwarf...while listening to Flogging Molly...
 

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DCFowl said:
Internet Kraken said:
Even the most advanced society of the distant future would not be considered a utopia. A utopia is, by definition, perfect in every single way. Is is a flawless society in which everyone lives a wonderful life.
Utopia the word, was invented by Saint Thomas More in his book of the same name. It described a small island with a small community. the island was not without crime, poverty or war but the people had equality, liberty and fraternity. the comflicted nature of a utopian ideal proves it as exactly that an ideal. you have changed the meaning of utopia from the best possible community to the perfect community.

As far as weather we live in a utopia, I get enough money to live on, spend my time reading and don't realy have that much to worry about. I think that if every one had a life as nice as mine and enjoyed it as much, then we would be close enough to utopia.

Also I would hate to live in Thomas' Utopia because Atheism was a capital crime.
You are correct that is the origin of the word, however, it has multiple meanings. Language evolves over time, and the way I used the word utopia is one of the definitions I have seen used often. Consulting the dictionary confirmed this.

Though ultimately it doesn't really change my point anyways.
 

Palademon

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Nah, I complain about my life because other people are closed minded pricks.
Lack of internet acutally made me slightly annorexic for a few days.
 

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King Toasty said:
I mean, come on. We can love, hate, rage, and do whatever we want. At least in Canada.
so being hated and rage on fall under utopian society. i would have thought in a utopian society there would be no need for hate and rage etc