The guy who made Braid strikes me a s bit of a pretentious prick, but, that's pretty much the only guy I actually care to form an opinion on the video. And my opinion of the Braid Guy mostly comes from what I've read up elsewhere.
hipsters infiltrating video game culture
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I see some camaraderie between art people and "nerds" as you put it (I don't identify with that, I'm geek material, sure, that's different though) since both are equally not the unthinking generic mainstream masses and I do think games are both art in their own way and popular culture. You can't expect for games to be the only popular culture thing they do not latch on to.SmashingTime said:
Oh and I have no clue as for the t-shirt since I don't really listen to music beyond classic stuff and stuff in games or anime. I hope the uncommon nature of my preference is not somehow hipster-fying
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Yeah, they do seem like otherwise genuine people. I guess I'm just letting off steam. I hope I won't be remembered as "the user who made that hipster hate-thread." Now I wish I hadn't made it, since it only shows how bitter I am. I really like the gaming community, it's so inclusive. I hope it stays that way.The Lunatic said:
There are some amazing new indie games out there, but you'd be surprised as to how many gamers don't want anything new thrown at them. I'm a professional developer who, with a few of my colleagues, tried to escape the monotony of high end publishers and develop our own little indie game on the side called OTO (Xbox Live Indie Arcade).
So, obviously we decided to stray as far away from mainstream mechanics as we possibly could and brought back and tuned the old school 'Lunar Lander' thrust system. The mechanic is definitely challenging, unique, and difficult to master but has been met with mixed reviews. Some people love the challenge while others absolutely hate it. hahaha it was so different, we didn't quite know how to classify our game when we submitted it, due to the fact that the gameplay is in mastering the mechanic.
The point I'm trying to make is 'do gamers REALLY want something new or would they rather have something they're comfortable with?' I used to think that the indie market was all about just that, creating something different and unique, but after some of the reactions towards OTO are leaning towards making something more mainstream (ie. platformer, puzzle based, etc.) Obviously not taking into account personal taste, some people will like it and others won?t. But where do you draw the line between making a zombie shooter that will sell or introducing something different that might get panned by critics and not be marketable?
Anyway, kinda off topic. I don't think Hipsters are invading gaming culture. I grew up in the 80's and 90's and there's always been elitist gamers. They don't embody the definition of a 'hipster' (still don't know exactly what that means) but if music snobbery is involved, the elitist gamers I know would probably think U2 is a energy drink.
So, obviously we decided to stray as far away from mainstream mechanics as we possibly could and brought back and tuned the old school 'Lunar Lander' thrust system. The mechanic is definitely challenging, unique, and difficult to master but has been met with mixed reviews. Some people love the challenge while others absolutely hate it. hahaha it was so different, we didn't quite know how to classify our game when we submitted it, due to the fact that the gameplay is in mastering the mechanic.
The point I'm trying to make is 'do gamers REALLY want something new or would they rather have something they're comfortable with?' I used to think that the indie market was all about just that, creating something different and unique, but after some of the reactions towards OTO are leaning towards making something more mainstream (ie. platformer, puzzle based, etc.) Obviously not taking into account personal taste, some people will like it and others won?t. But where do you draw the line between making a zombie shooter that will sell or introducing something different that might get panned by critics and not be marketable?
Anyway, kinda off topic. I don't think Hipsters are invading gaming culture. I grew up in the 80's and 90's and there's always been elitist gamers. They don't embody the definition of a 'hipster' (still don't know exactly what that means) but if music snobbery is involved, the elitist gamers I know would probably think U2 is a energy drink.
that reminds me
I had a friend who was making an oldschool-styled indie FPS called Hipster Holocaust that was about aliens attacking and the player, the hipstest of hipsters, had to save them
DN3D type of FPS, you know, like each stage being kinda sandbox-y and stuff
good times
I had a friend who was making an oldschool-styled indie FPS called Hipster Holocaust that was about aliens attacking and the player, the hipstest of hipsters, had to save them
DN3D type of FPS, you know, like each stage being kinda sandbox-y and stuff
good times
SmashingTime said:KILL IT WITH FIRE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhaT78i1x2M&list=WLE0B2D9FFC10227B5&index=8
it's pretty much undeniable that retro gaming has become trendy; do you think the kind of elitism and hunger for digging up the past observed amongst music fiends/tragics (i.e. their neverending pursuit to uncover music that NO ONE ELSE KNOWS ABOUT, thus removing what made being a fan of pop music fun in the first place-- see last.fm for examples) will happen to video games?
has it already happened?
is claiming to have played all the nes mega man games the gaming equivalent of namedropping shitty old italian disco groups?
is yahtzee the original gaming hipster?
i'm scared
I think it's less a matter of dealing with hipsters than the old guard and those with an acual respect for gaming and what the old guard represents. Right now with the influx of casuals into the market you have a lot of kids and housewives and such who think they know a lot about games, or that gaming started with them... and it can be very annoying when they really don't know anything.
The point of old games and such is not so much to name drop them, but to prove you played them and have some backround when it comes to gaming. See plenty of people try and CLAIM they played during the SNES era or whatever, but overall there really weren't that many units out there, it's fairly recent that gaming got this big.
Things like the original Megaman and the like come up because they were fairly mainstream for the time, and fairly tricky games, when you have people talking about how hardcore they are or how good at gaming it's a fair game to point out despite it's dated technology as an example of what gaming used to take.... Not to mention it being a good game to be familiar with if your supposed to be an "expert" or "hardcore" because of how influential it was on gaming in general.
I can understand the annoyance, and counter-hatred directly at the real hardcore gamers and old guard, but as I'm trying to say it's something that goes both ways.
We do have the bros and hipsters in the gaming community, largely as part of the casual market, but they aren't what's behind the issue you seem to be pointing at in the trailer. In that case it's more about establishing genuine cred as a serious gamer than a hipster thing.
