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Arthur Wellesly.
He changed the course of the history of Europe in one war that culminated in him beating an annoying Corsican upstart in a town in Belgium.
He changed the course of the history of Europe in one war that culminated in him beating an annoying Corsican upstart in a town in Belgium.
Adolf Hitler.
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You still alive?
I was kidding.
I'd saaaay..Vlad the Impaler aka Dracula. Not because of the vampire myths (yuck), but he kicked ass!He was a real vigilante hero in the true sense of the word, cleaning up the streets from crime and helping the citizens rest at ease in a more moral society.
Sure, he was controversial, he was very violent, but i like his "the ends justify the means" method since it was so badly needed at the time and it actually worked.
And hell, if he intimidated the Turkish sultan into running back home, the cruelest and most unimpressed person in the east at the time,he must be awesome.
The people were better off with him than without him.
EDIT: also I am a Hellsing fan.Best portrayal of Dracula ever. Biggest mistake was: he wasn't really a religious man, he was very indifferent to religion, proof that he converted to Catholicism later in life to seal a relashionship with Hungary- meaning he didn't give a damn what his religion was.
His cousin, Stephen the Great was a religious freak,and a very mean warmonger (the portrayal of Vlad in Hellsing is almost accurate to him, actually)
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You still alive?
I was kidding.
I'd saaaay..Vlad the Impaler aka Dracula. Not because of the vampire myths (yuck), but he kicked ass!He was a real vigilante hero in the true sense of the word, cleaning up the streets from crime and helping the citizens rest at ease in a more moral society.
Sure, he was controversial, he was very violent, but i like his "the ends justify the means" method since it was so badly needed at the time and it actually worked.
And hell, if he intimidated the Turkish sultan into running back home, the cruelest and most unimpressed person in the east at the time,he must be awesome.
The people were better off with him than without him.
EDIT: also I am a Hellsing fan.Best portrayal of Dracula ever. Biggest mistake was: he wasn't really a religious man, he was very indifferent to religion, proof that he converted to Catholicism later in life to seal a relashionship with Hungary- meaning he didn't give a damn what his religion was.
His cousin, Stephen the Great was a religious freak,and a very mean warmonger (the portrayal of Vlad in Hellsing is almost accurate to him, actually)
That is the most nuts thing I've seen on the internet in years.faceless chick said:
Vlad Tepes? Vlad Fraking Tepes, the man who'd stick a pike up folks arses just because they pissed him off, the man who terrorized his population so much that he would become invovled in sodding vampire myth? That man was a murderous tyrant! Like virtually every leader at the time, I'll grant you, but he seemed to have a sadism all of his own.
Edit: I can't help but notice the prevelance of mass murderers on this list.
I guess I have to explain a little more.Mr Wednesday said:
It wasn't THE PEOPLE who considered him a menace. The people LOVED him,and they love him even more now.
The context: the country was a poor, oft-invaded piece of land, by either Turks,tartars,Huns or other migratory or savage race.
The airs to the thrones spent their lives hunting and killing each other, for power or fear of them themselves getting killed.
This wasn't a social hierarchy like western Europe was, this was a "every man for himself" country (still is)
Corruption is the main word here- the heirs paid the sultan for their thrones, paid tribute to be left alone(even though they STILL invaded every other year, it wasn't a conquering invasion, it was just a standard burn-and-pillage invasion), they reigned barely more then 1 year before a relative took the throne and killed him, or the aristocrats who really ran the country would kill him.
As such, crime was at sky-high and people couldn't go out in the streets for fear of being robbed, killed or raped.
When Vlad came to the throne, he saw the country was a piss-stain on the map and wanted to do something about it.
1st off, he denied privileges to Brasov (city in Transylvania) merchants when coming to Wallachia because the trades were unfair and his people ended up in the loss.
As a revenge, the Brasov hungarian merchants wanted to ruin his reputation,and seeing as how Western Europe knew nothing of the black hole known as Eastern Europe, they began spreading lies about how he was a vampire or ate in forests of steaks, knowing no one knew or cared about the truth.
And since Europe loved scandals (as much as they do now) they picked up the story, blew it to ungodly proportions and started to spread it around, having a good laugh in the process.
Proof is in the pamphlets, seeing as how they depict the act of impalement completely wrong-since they knew nothing about it- make unreal descriptions of diseases he didn't have or make drawings of him that looked NOTHING like the real person.
Anyway, he did indeed kill by impalement, but that was because it was one of the cruelest methods possible, and it made criminals afraid of committing crimes anymore.
In the end he killed less people because of this than he would have otherwise.
Sadism wasn't a deciding factor here, it is that he DID WHAT HE PROMISED AND WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE.
He killed ONLY criminals(within his own country),and for the 1st and only time, there was no more corruption in the country.The people were safe to live normal lives and very grateful for it.
When he died, the country went to hell again and everyone regretted it.
He is held as a ROLE MODEL for every politician in the country.
Every president so far tried to live up to his image, and tried to clean up crime in the country to become a legend, just like him.
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So TL;DR, the stories weren't made by the PEOPLE, they were made by butthurt merchants who wanted to rain on his parade.
Sorry to burst your bubble, this is the truth.
It's the 15th century version of an internet rumor, basically.
Andrew Jackson: the single most bad-ass president of all time.
After fighting in a war or two, Jackson decided to run for president, to which people responded "ME!?! Vote for that NUTCASE!?!"
But he still won.
While in office, Jackson found that he missed the ability to kill large quantities of people that he enjoyed so much in the war, so he took up dueling. If you criticized him in even the slightest way, Jackson would challenge you to a duel and blow your brains out with his trusty pistol. He came close to killing 100 people in this manner.
At the end of his life, Jackson said something along the lines of "My only regret is that I did not hang Henry Clay, and I did not shoot John C. Calhoun"
After a lifetime of killing people, his only regret was not killing more people... one of whom was his vice-president!
And we put him on the twenty just so that his ghost wouldn't come back and challenge us to a duel.
After fighting in a war or two, Jackson decided to run for president, to which people responded "ME!?! Vote for that NUTCASE!?!"
But he still won.
While in office, Jackson found that he missed the ability to kill large quantities of people that he enjoyed so much in the war, so he took up dueling. If you criticized him in even the slightest way, Jackson would challenge you to a duel and blow your brains out with his trusty pistol. He came close to killing 100 people in this manner.
At the end of his life, Jackson said something along the lines of "My only regret is that I did not hang Henry Clay, and I did not shoot John C. Calhoun"
After a lifetime of killing people, his only regret was not killing more people... one of whom was his vice-president!
And we put him on the twenty just so that his ghost wouldn't come back and challenge us to a duel.
FDR because He was the BEST PRESIDENT EVER! He won WWII and stopped the Great Depression, I want to see any other leader that did that.
George Washington, he played a big part in making my country what it was, and denied an offer to become king of America, Hell, with all that, why does he even need all the other made-up cult-of-personality stuff?
But that's for my country, a few of my other favorites...
Joseph Stalin for making the Soviet Union a strong, powerful nation. And enough with all you commie-haters out there, he did it okay?
Franklin Roosevelt, got us through a world war and a depression at the SAME TIME, how's that for awesome.
Saladin, anyone who can be the bigger man, and let the crusaders leave Jerusalem without conflict after they surrendered, despite the fact that when they conquered Jerusalem they had a wholesale slaughter, is pretty damned great in my book.
King Henry V, best damn king of England there ever was, taught those French a good lesson at Agincourt.
Abe Lincoln, need I say more?
The Founding Fathers, damn we had some talent there.
Emperor Qin Shi Huangdi, emperor of China's first unified dynasty, began construction of the Great Wall, standardized the currency, and unified all of China under the military might of Qin. He only reigned for 15 years, but that was a damn good 15 years.
Emperor Meiji of Japan, planted the seeds for Japan to become a world power in the coming centuries, I've got to admire him.
George Sherman of the Union Army during the American Civil War, now there's a man who knew how to fight, Hell, so did Grant, now Grant wasn't much as president, but he kicked ass as the military man.
But that's for my country, a few of my other favorites...
Joseph Stalin for making the Soviet Union a strong, powerful nation. And enough with all you commie-haters out there, he did it okay?
Franklin Roosevelt, got us through a world war and a depression at the SAME TIME, how's that for awesome.
Saladin, anyone who can be the bigger man, and let the crusaders leave Jerusalem without conflict after they surrendered, despite the fact that when they conquered Jerusalem they had a wholesale slaughter, is pretty damned great in my book.
King Henry V, best damn king of England there ever was, taught those French a good lesson at Agincourt.
Abe Lincoln, need I say more?
The Founding Fathers, damn we had some talent there.
Emperor Qin Shi Huangdi, emperor of China's first unified dynasty, began construction of the Great Wall, standardized the currency, and unified all of China under the military might of Qin. He only reigned for 15 years, but that was a damn good 15 years.
Emperor Meiji of Japan, planted the seeds for Japan to become a world power in the coming centuries, I've got to admire him.
George Sherman of the Union Army during the American Civil War, now there's a man who knew how to fight, Hell, so did Grant, now Grant wasn't much as president, but he kicked ass as the military man.
Now I know I put Stalin on my list... but Andrew Jackson? As in Trail of Tears, now he did do some pretty cool things for democracy and power to the people, but it was white people that he empowered, not to say that any of the others at the time were paragons of virtue above him, it was just society at the time.Superhyperactiveman said:
Yay, history!
Who do I think is awesome?
Saladin--He was a powerful general and excellent fighter, and apparently a very benevolent ruler too. Plus he won a war with Western Europe, something that's pretty much never been accomplished since.
Leonidas--Not beefcake Leonidas from the film. Real Leonidas was a badass too.
Leonardo Da Vinci--He invented all sorts of awesome things, and with better funding, he probably could have set the world's tech level much higher than it was at the time.
Nikola Tesla--Like a modern Da Vinci. He invented even cooler stuff, and we'd have railguns by now if he'd gone through with all his research and inventions.
Simo Hayha--The Swedish sniper in the Winter War who killed five hundred Soviets with a scopeless M1, and survived several carpet bombings executed for the sole purpose of killing him. Plus he got shot in the face with an explosive bullet, and was up and running in a few weeks, good as new. Badassery personified.
I love history.
Who do I think is awesome?
Saladin--He was a powerful general and excellent fighter, and apparently a very benevolent ruler too. Plus he won a war with Western Europe, something that's pretty much never been accomplished since.
Leonidas--Not beefcake Leonidas from the film. Real Leonidas was a badass too.
Leonardo Da Vinci--He invented all sorts of awesome things, and with better funding, he probably could have set the world's tech level much higher than it was at the time.
Nikola Tesla--Like a modern Da Vinci. He invented even cooler stuff, and we'd have railguns by now if he'd gone through with all his research and inventions.
Simo Hayha--The Swedish sniper in the Winter War who killed five hundred Soviets with a scopeless M1, and survived several carpet bombings executed for the sole purpose of killing him. Plus he got shot in the face with an explosive bullet, and was up and running in a few weeks, good as new. Badassery personified.
I love history.
Jay Gould.
Look him up. He was completely nuts. He'd make a fortune scamming people, then invest THAT fortune in another scheme to scam a fortune, which would succeed. Then he'd rinse and repeat.
One time he owned two competing railroads secretly. He played them against each other, then forced one to buy the other out (he pocketed the cash). The price the first railroad paid for the buyout caused it to go bankrupt, but by then Gould had already split.
The funny thing is that the guy went up against all kinds of captains of industry, and he almost always came out on top. He was such a conniver. Even when he "lost," he did so in a way that put loads of cash in his pocket.
Look him up. He was completely nuts. He'd make a fortune scamming people, then invest THAT fortune in another scheme to scam a fortune, which would succeed. Then he'd rinse and repeat.
One time he owned two competing railroads secretly. He played them against each other, then forced one to buy the other out (he pocketed the cash). The price the first railroad paid for the buyout caused it to go bankrupt, but by then Gould had already split.
The funny thing is that the guy went up against all kinds of captains of industry, and he almost always came out on top. He was such a conniver. Even when he "lost," he did so in a way that put loads of cash in his pocket.
Simon Häyhä. the guy killed at least 505 people in WW2 alone from a tree with a normal rifle and was nicknamed "The White Death" by the soviet. He managed to survive even though the soviets started to randomly carpet bomb the areas where he might be and also took out several counter-sniper teams that were sent to eliminate him. In the end a soviet soldier managed to shoot Simon in the jaw and the damage was described as "half his head was missing".... he later made a full recovery.
As I study History, I've got countless of names.
Real:
-Hammurabi, Bablyon King around 1750 B.C. was the first that wrote down his laws in common language so every citizen could read and understand them. Because I studied Law for 1 year and that I've seen the large stone slab the Code's written on, this is a personal favourite.
-Hannibal from Carthago, a pure strategical mastermind. I've studied some of his battlefields and his tactics were stunning to say the least.
-Jeanne d'Arc, ignore the things about voices and god; this was a farmer girl that turned the entire Hundred Years war (started in 1337, hehehe) around in favor of the French (until she got captured and burned that is).
Fiction:
-Gilgamesh; king that searched for immortality, made friends with a monster, fought demons and finally realized you can't be immortal and said that at least the huge walls he built around his palace will be remembered for eternity (which, ironically, have been destroyed and never discovered). The story about a king that wanted to be immortal became a legend still told 4000 years later.
Real:
-Hammurabi, Bablyon King around 1750 B.C. was the first that wrote down his laws in common language so every citizen could read and understand them. Because I studied Law for 1 year and that I've seen the large stone slab the Code's written on, this is a personal favourite.
-Hannibal from Carthago, a pure strategical mastermind. I've studied some of his battlefields and his tactics were stunning to say the least.
-Jeanne d'Arc, ignore the things about voices and god; this was a farmer girl that turned the entire Hundred Years war (started in 1337, hehehe) around in favor of the French (until she got captured and burned that is).
Fiction:
-Gilgamesh; king that searched for immortality, made friends with a monster, fought demons and finally realized you can't be immortal and said that at least the huge walls he built around his palace will be remembered for eternity (which, ironically, have been destroyed and never discovered). The story about a king that wanted to be immortal became a legend still told 4000 years later.