Darwin or Boudica. If you need an explaination for either of these then you either don't know me or don't know who they are.
Oh, he was called Unconditional Surrender my his men in the Civil War because of the difficult terms he forced on the confederate losers.Flap Jack452 said:That's pretty interesting, it is pretty much the exact same.
And a very persuasive guy too. He pretty much talked France into joining us. Him coupled with the fact that France wanted to hurt it's enemies won the U.S. the war.xplay3r said:Benjermin Franklin....cuz he was brilliant and witty.
Agreed, he was a great person, two of my favorite quotes every are by him.lwm3398 said:And a very persuasive guy too. He pretty much talked France into joining us. Him coupled with the fact that France wanted to hurt it's enemies won the U.S. the war.xplay3r said:Benjermin Franklin....cuz he was brilliant and witty.
Yeah but in fairness he did feck all after Cannae; mainly just sat around in Southren Italy. I would not really rate him as one of the greatest strategists. Fair enough his intial attack was pretty astounding and his forced march from Spain to Italy. Also, I do not see why people make such a huge deal out of the elephants; he had something like 40 of them and nearly all of them had died while crossing the Alps, not to mention half his men. The battle of Cannae was a fantastic victory, but it was as much down to Roman mistakes as Hannibal's genius. The General Varro was too eger to be the one to defeat Hannibal, and so, walked himself into a trap. Had he took more caution Rome might have won the day. None the less, it was one of Rome's biggest defeat, that can not be taken away form Hannibal. However, by this stage he had backed himself in to a dead end in Southren Italy. Thus, his victory was phyric. There were at least two ocassions were Hannibal could have, at the very least, assulted the city of Rome, yet he failed to do so, and thus doomed himself to defeat in Italy. For those reasons and more, IMO, he is not one of history's greatest strategist.Osloq said:Leonardo Da Vinci. So far beyond his time, developed hundreds (?) of inventions including ones that were comprised of future technology or would need future technology to power them. He also furthered the course of medicine in a significant way, not to mention his artistic skills.
Militarily I'd have to say Hannibal. Took elephants over the French Alps and proceeded to woop the Romans' asses, previously thought to be the most dominant military force in the world, for years (218-201 BC was the length of the Punic Wars I think). I consider him personally as tied greatest strategist in history (alongside Ghengis Khan).
While the General was over confident and foolish for falling into a trap, the mark of a good general is making your opponent do just that. We'll never know solidly enough to give Hannibal full credit but I'm also inclined to believe that he would have an alternate strategy if the Romans had been more measured in their battle plans.HerrBobo said:Yeah but in fairness he did feck all after Cannae; mainly just sat around in Southren Italy. I would not really rate him as one of the greatest strategists. Fair enough his intial attack was pretty astounding and his forced march from Spain to Italy. Also, I do not see why people make such a huge deal out of the elephants; he had something like 40 of them and nearly all of them had died while crossing the Alps, not to mention half his men. The battle of Cannae was a fantastic victory, but it was as much down to Roman mistakes as Hannibal's genius. The General Varro was too eger to be the one to defeat Hannibal, and so, walked himself into a trap. Had he took more caution Rome might have won the day. None the less, it was one of Rome's biggest defeat, that can not be taken away form Hannibal. However, by this stage he had backed himself in to a dead end in Southren Italy. Thus, his victory was phyric. There were at least two ocassions were Hannibal could have, at the very least, assulted the city of Rome, yet he failed to do so, and thus doomed himself to defeat in Italy. For those reasons and more, IMO, he is not one of history's greatest strategist.Osloq said:Leonardo Da Vinci. So far beyond his time, developed hundreds (?) of inventions including ones that were comprised of future technology or would need future technology to power them. He also furthered the course of medicine in a significant way, not to mention his artistic skills.
Militarily I'd have to say Hannibal. Took elephants over the French Alps and proceeded to woop the Romans' asses, previously thought to be the most dominant military force in the world, for years (218-201 BC was the length of the Punic Wars I think). I consider him personally as tied greatest strategist in history (alongside Ghengis Khan).
Ah! Another student of ancient history! Fantastic!Osloq said:While the General was over confident and foolish for falling into a trap, the mark of a good general is making your opponent do just that. We'll never know solidly enough to give Hannibal full credit but I'm also inclined to believe that he would have an alternate strategy if the Romans had been more measured in their battle plans.HerrBobo said:Yeah but in fairness he did feck all after Cannae; mainly just sat around in Southren Italy. I would not really rate him as one of the greatest strategists. Fair enough his intial attack was pretty astounding and his forced march from Spain to Italy. Also, I do not see why people make such a huge deal out of the elephants; he had something like 40 of them and nearly all of them had died while crossing the Alps, not to mention half his men. The battle of Cannae was a fantastic victory, but it was as much down to Roman mistakes as Hannibal's genius. The General Varro was too eger to be the one to defeat Hannibal, and so, walked himself into a trap. Had he took more caution Rome might have won the day. None the less, it was one of Rome's biggest defeat, that can not be taken away form Hannibal. However, by this stage he had backed himself in to a dead end in Southren Italy. Thus, his victory was phyric. There were at least two ocassions were Hannibal could have, at the very least, assulted the city of Rome, yet he failed to do so, and thus doomed himself to defeat in Italy. For those reasons and more, IMO, he is not one of history's greatest strategist.Osloq said:Leonardo Da Vinci. So far beyond his time, developed hundreds (?) of inventions including ones that were comprised of future technology or would need future technology to power them. He also furthered the course of medicine in a significant way, not to mention his artistic skills.
Militarily I'd have to say Hannibal. Took elephants over the French Alps and proceeded to woop the Romans' asses, previously thought to be the most dominant military force in the world, for years (218-201 BC was the length of the Punic Wars I think). I consider him personally as tied greatest strategist in history (alongside Ghengis Khan).
If I remember correctly he didn't lost that large a percentage of men crossing the Alps although the elephants were decimated. Even though he had 40 elephants he still managed to bring 2 over which proved devastating in combat and got them into a location behind enemy lines where their effectiveness would be that much more telling. Crossing the Alps with an army wasn't just considered to be hard, it was considered to be impossible which is why it's one of the most lauded military events of the era.
As for his sojourn in Southern Italy, the problem was he ran out of troops and Carthage refused to send more. He was stuck there because attrition had crippled his force and in those days you needed an overwhelming force to take over any city, add on to that that it's the capital so there'll be the best defences, troops and weapons. He would have to have gathered enough food for the siege, build weapons and cordon off the city so that they couldn't get reinforcements from another city which is hard to do when you're constantly under the threat of guerilla warfare or the troops from inside sallying out. He could have assaulted the city but it would have been an empty sacrifice of troops with nothing gained. The longer he held out, the higher the chance of reinforcements from Carthage.
While it's your personal opinion that he's not the greatest ever, his catalogue of victories (not only over the Romans) and his ability to improvise a plan in the heat of battle mark him as one to me.
Pretty much this. He must have had the biggest brass ones on the planet to charge at Nazis with a longbow and a claymore.Radeonx said:Jack Churchill.