Homefront, implosibility in games.

[Catchy Slogan]

they certainly are interesting, I just dont think they would really work well in war... but then again I dont really know much about them at all aside from whats in that vid

I put a hyperlink in my original post to a wiki page. here it is again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekranoplan

 

[squid5580]

really any invasion of the states is pretty silly unless its by canada or mexico and they havent had any reason to invade in awhile

the wonderful thing about an ocean is its hard to cross and your very vulnerable when your crossing it and when you land so an invasion is stupid

Uhh we have these magical flying doo hickeys called airplanes now. Makes travelling the ocean a wee less daunting. Also like to point out how much destruction a few guys can do. Let alone a full on country.

And in HF it was months at least into the invasion. And they were defending places like community centres and housing projects not anywhere strategic. It was like a little town got invaded and the enemy had won there but the war in the rest of the country was still being fought.

 

[ikillu87]

But the U.S. isn't as stupid as the game portrays us. Isn't the main character a civilian? Don't the Koreans cross the ocean? Why do the marines fail to kill six Koreans where the main character is out there killing hundreds? They make an interesting game that is why

No, he was a Marine Aviator.

 

[Worgen]

really any invasion of the states is pretty silly unless its by canada or mexico and they havent had any reason to invade in awhile

the wonderful thing about an ocean is its hard to cross and your very vulnerable when your crossing it and when you land so an invasion is stupid

Uhh we have these magical flying doo hickeys called airplanes now. Makes travelling the ocean a wee less daunting. Also like to point out how much destruction a few guys can do. Let alone a full on country.

And in HF it was months at least into the invasion. And they were defending places like community centres and housing projects not anywhere strategic. It was like a little town got invaded and the enemy had won there but the war in the rest of the country was still being fought.

the thing about airplanes though, is they cant carry much, its not hard to knock out an aerial invasion let along doing one in secret and not having it get shot down on its way over, sure a few guys can do allot of damage but its likely they wont since it requires allot of things to work just right or else they get caught or killed, especially if the country they are attacking is on alert for that sort of thing, really the only way I could see an invasion of america happening is if we have another civil war and that greatly depletes us

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

In fiction anything is plausible so long as it is well backed up by the story. Good writing can make the impossible not only seem possible, but easy to imagine and to care about. Homefront did not have good writing. Had same story been handled by a different, better development team and it could have been realistically portrayed and brilliant. There's nothing wrong with the premise per-say, the development team just did a piss poor job making it work.

 

[Kahunaburger]

In fiction anything is plausible so long as it is well backed up by the story. Good writing can make the impossible not only seem possible, but easy to imagine and to care about. Homefront did not have good writing. Had same story been handled by a different, better development team and it could have been realistically portrayed and brilliant. There's nothing wrong with the premise per-say, the development team just did a piss poor job making it work.

Honestly, the only FPS games I've ever played that I would consider particularly well-written are TF2 and Borderlands (and of course Metriod Prime/Echoes and New Vegas if you consider those FPS), and none of them had a gritty/cover-based/realistic in their body. The problem, IMO, is that a lot of FPS games take themselves seriously in a very Tom Clancy sort of way - the whole "SRLSLY GUISE TIHS CUD HAPEN!!1!!" thing - and then throw some amazingly implausible scenarios at us.

 

[Canid117]

People are still talking about Homefront? Weird...

 

[artanis_neravar]

The backstory is very possible, it is just improbable (which was their intention)

The idea of Earth being hit and destroyed by a massive gamma ray in the next 10 min also isn't impossible, just improbable.

See where this argument falls apart?

Not at all, your example is just a rehash of my argument.

 

[artanis_neravar]

The backstory is very possible, it is just improbable (which was their intention)

The idea of Earth being hit and destroyed by a massive gamma ray in the next 10 min also isn't impossible, just improbable.

See where this argument falls apart?

Not at all, your example is just a rehash of my argument.

How so?

Its not just the basic plot that doesn't make sense, nothing in the backstory makes any sense either. So peoples claims that "if one thing happens then the next can happen as well" doesn't make any sense.

which part of this doesn't make sense and why?

In 2013, one year after the succession of Kim Jong-Il, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un reunites North and South Korea to form the Greater Korean Republic. The influence of China and the United States decline in the face of continued economic stagnation and a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia disrupting Middle East oil supply, while Europe is cut off by a Russian-Ukrainian "mutual interest" deal. As the United States withdraws overseas troops to deal with domestic instability, including the Texas secession detate and an outbreak of bird flu known as the Knoxville Cough, the Greater Korean Republic annexes Japan and several Southeast Asian countries. By 2022, the United States economic began to downfall, reducing into a bleak stake country. Finally, in 2025, a satellite, launched under the cover of a program to replace the decaying Global Positioning System, detonates a nuclear electromagnetic pulse over the continental United States. The destruction of above-ground electronics across the country is followed by troop landings in Hawaii and San Francisco, paratrooper droppings across the Midwest, and the irradiation of the Mississippi River to divide the United States. The American military remains isolated and scattered.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yes because space marines blowing up alines and robots is totally possible and legitimate for games but Korea invading America is just too far.

Suspension of disbelief usually works for me so long as they don't violate their own rules or pull something stupid out of their asses. If I can believe in samurai in space with laser swords fighting Nazis (lol, Star Wars) then I can believe that America could be occupied in some alternate universe.

 

[FFHAuthor]

You sir are either a non-gun owner or a foreigner. More than 50% of Americans own firearms, and Most of them are good shots. America's primary defensive doctrine is based on these two simple truths. 1) Most Americans own gun 2) Veterans are everywhere. In the event of a invasion of the contiguous 48 the citizenry would respond en-force and would have local veterans to lead them

Yes, on a serious note that is one of the Department of Defense's dirty little secrets for National Defense.

 

[Redem]

basicly the story of homefront is like if only two trends existed in the entire world "the USA is going down" and North Korea is becoming that unstopable jugggernaut" nothing else in the world happen that could interfere with those two trends

 

[Blaster395]

Despite their small size, I would say they are in the top 10. They have such emphasis on military spending that they can cause a lot of destruction if they wished. Its likely they are a nuclear power.

Now imagine similar emphasis on military but controlled half of Asia.

 

[Redem]

Despite their small size, I would say they are in the top 10. They have such emphasis on military spending that they can cause a lot of destruction if they wished. Its likely they are a nuclear power.

Now imagine similar emphasis on military but controlled half of Asia.

The problem is that if North Korea occupy half of Asia where do they pull people to occupy the U.S? A lot of people probably would probably be pissed in Asia at Koreans taking over things and it turn out that most people in Asia haven't live in isolation over the last 60+ years getting propaganda like N.K

 

[winter2]

Thoughts? Comments? Random flames of hate?

Just because some civilians own guns doesn't mean they're going to be particularly effective with them, if I'm quite frank and this idea that America being invaded makes the game unrealistic is quite annoying, as America was orginally invaded as its primary form of settlement. That's kind of how it started, I would be completly unsurprised to see it happen again.

You sir are either a non-gun owner or a foreigner. More than 50% of Americans own firearms, and Most of them are good shots. America's primary defensive doctrine is based on these two simple truths. 1) Most Americans own gun 2) Veterans are everywhere. In the event of a invasion of the contiguous 48 the citizenry would respond en-force and would have local veterans to lead them

I apologize, but I have to take issue with this.

First off, where are you getting your information from that most gun owners are good shots? Also, in your mind, what constitutes a good shooter?

Secondly, to assume that a bunch of civilians that just happen to know which way to point their weapon would do much against a determined enemy (even if led by veterans) is simply preposterous. A modern army would simply annihilate any civilians that stood against them and move on with a shrug and a song in their heart.

Also, I seriously doubt any of my neighbors would be able to stand up to the mental and physical rigors of a modern combat scenario. I am sorry, but what you are claiming is just fanciful dreaming.

And before you start to assume anything, I am a veteran myself.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

The story was shit.

...And? Is this NEW for videogames? You can probably count the number of games with truly GOOD stories without running out of fingers. What's the big deal about THIS game's particular brand of shit? And don't say "it's really implausible", because there have DEFINITELY been less plausible stories is games before Homefront. Indigo Prophecy, for example. (From what I've heard, anyway)

Why the fuck is my captcha upside-down? How am I supposed to type this? Do I type the letters in reverse, or just type the upside-down word as if it were rightside-up?