Homophobia, Mods, And One Step Too Far

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A preface: I understand that there have been eleventy billion and one topics about homophobia here on the Escapist. However, this particular issue strikes me as being beyond the pale, and I feel it worthy of its own topic.

Now, with that out of the way....

Those familiar with the Oblivion Modding scene may know the name AlienSlof. She- yes, this is a woman who creates Mods for Oblivion, as well as Morrowind and Fallout 3- has been having a problem for years. You see, apparently there is a rather large and extremely vocal male segment of the gaming community who has harassed her, posted derogatory messages in forums she frequented, and generally been obtusely ignorant.

Why? Because AlienSlof makes nude, anatomically correct male models, and clothing and armor accentuating such.

Again, anyone familiar with the Oblivion Modding scene knows that there are absolutely no shortage of nude FEMALE models, and armor/clothing for such, available for download. However, it seems that creating and posting a model that possesses a penis is just absolutely outrageous to the abovementioned clique, and they have gone out of their way to decry AlienSlof's work, calling it "gay" (OBVIOUSLY not understanding the term), "girly", and other demeaning names wherever these Mods appeared. To these people, the Modding scene is a boys' club where only T&A are allowed, and anyone who dares break "the rules" is harassed and ridiculed.

So, last night, AlienSlof deleted all of her Mods from her site and every public download site where they had been hosted. She says that the harassment has affected her already poor health and she will no longer take the abuse for what was once, to her, an enjoyable hobby upon which she spent her free time. And she is well within her rights to do so, as it is her work, her health and her life.

I, for one, am infuriated by this. It seems that the early-teen pocket-mining little-boy homophobe club has scored a victory in their crusade to ensure that they never have to endure the sight of an actual penis while they search for ever-more-unrealistic female nude Mods for their games. As collateral damage, the rest of us- you know, reasonable people who know we can just skip those things we find undesirable or objectionable- lose access to the works of a talented Modder, three of whose Mods I use in my current Oblivion setup.

I know that I'm screaming my rage at the storm, and I'll no doubt get a number of replies to the effect of "what do you want, there's nothing you can do". But when the bullshit gets this thick- when someone's health is affected simply because they don't cater to the whims of the "bewbz nau" crowd- I honestly have to say SOMEthing.

Gaming has enough enemies as it stands. It doesn't need to be torn apart from the inside by underdeveloped, immature brats who think that everyone owes them something.
 

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I wouldn't mind talking to one of her attackers.

Seriously I don't know why a person would do that and maybe talking to them (in real life) would give one of us better understanding.
 

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I opened up this thread expecting to hear something about our mods being homophobic; however i read on regardless.

This is disgusting, it's not even really homophobia it's just arrogance and ignorance. Are the people who were harassing her aware that (most) women aren't attracted to T&A? Are they aware that this person just wants to have fun making mods; that she meant no harm to anyone and is in fact better than the rest of the nude modders as she made anatomically correct mods not giant beachball boob mods which could offend.

In short i am equally disgusted by this but unfortunately the internet is open to everyone; including fuckwits
 

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the wost part is that she gave in. i don't mean to sound harsh but if it kills you....DIE. don't let these people win. yes its horrible that she was ridiculed, but to actually take all your stuff leave then cry in a corner is just pathetic. it makes me sick tht their are childish people holding back the modding community and it makes me sick that there are people who give in to their childish demands.
 

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What I don't get is that the people complaining would be guys themselves, so it isn't like they haven't seen a penis. Are they just worried that the video game representation of them are bigger then their own? Or are they under the assumption that only they have a penis?
 

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captainwillies said:
the wost part is that she gave in. i don't mean to sound harsh but if it kills you....DIE. don't let these people win. yes its horrible that she was ridiculed, but to actually take all your stuff leave then cry in a corner is just pathetic. it makes me sick tht their are childish people holding back the modding community and it makes me sick that there are people who give in to their childish demands.
American politicians portray ridicule (mud slinging) as right and you're surprised by the "democratic" uniting of homophobes?

How are people supposed to act right when nobody asks for change?
 

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Heppenfeph said:
What I don't get is that the people complaining would be guys themselves, so it isn't like they haven't seen a penis. Are they just worried that the video game representation of them are bigger then their own? Or are they under the assumption that only they have a penis?
Couldn't have said it better. mind you however it's not the penis their afraid of. It's that they might be attracted to it, so they are blocking out all sight of it.
 

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I'm pissed off more that the ridiculous comments got to her. AlienSlof has done more than just nude male modes, I've downloaded a lot of her work, and eventually learned the name, yet here we go with the homophobia and irrationality of how we see things. Apparently, certain body parts are evil and we must always censor them according to stupid social norms.

There is something we can do, and that is to give her words of encouragement. Clearly, words of discouragement took her away, so encouragement should bring her back. In theory.
 

Sprogus

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linchowlewy said:
Heppenfeph said:
What I don't get is that the people complaining would be guys themselves, so it isn't like they haven't seen a penis. Are they just worried that the video game representation of them are bigger then their own? Or are they under the assumption that only they have a penis?
Couldn't have said it better. mind you however it's not the penis their afraid of. It's that they might be attracted to it, so they are blocking out all sight of it.
Yeah I thought about that after I posted. Still it seems silly.
 

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Again its a sad case, of many idiots beats one smart person.

Until we can find a way past this basic universal fact, we're doomed.
 

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Heppenfeph said:
linchowlewy said:
Heppenfeph said:
What I don't get is that the people complaining would be guys themselves, so it isn't like they haven't seen a penis. Are they just worried that the video game representation of them are bigger then their own? Or are they under the assumption that only they have a penis?
Couldn't have said it better. mind you however it's not the penis their afraid of. It's that they might be attracted to it, so they are blocking out all sight of it.
Yeah I thought about that after I posted. Still it seems silly.
Silly but no other reason seems appropriate except for ingrained immaturity. in fact that's more likely it.
 

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Booze Zombie said:
captainwillies said:
the wost part is that she gave in. i don't mean to sound harsh but if it kills you....DIE. don't let these people win. yes its horrible that she was ridiculed, but to actually take all your stuff leave then cry in a corner is just pathetic. it makes me sick tht their are childish people holding back the modding community and it makes me sick that there are people who give in to their childish demands.
American politicians portray ridicule (mud slinging) as right and you're surprised by the "democratic" uniting of homophobes?

How are people supposed to act right when nobody asks for change?
huh? well for one i don't trust any politicians not even obama(blasphemy!). and no I'm not suprised that a bunch homophobes got scared of some pixelated penis. what suprised me is that she gave up and left.
 

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I think the problem here was that they knew there were not alot of OTHER (besides the modder herself) girls in the Oblivion modding scene.

They saw this as a straight woman "aiding and abetting the enemy". the GAY enemy.

In all likelihood, she created these mod to empower women, to show the world that women also desire men, and that women are sizeable lot, and that entertainment SHOULD cater to them.

But those guys couldn't stand the thought of even one gay person playing oblivion with manbits. They never stopped to think why she was doing what she was doing. They just thought "GAY PEOPLE WILL WANT THUS. SO THEN ITS GAY. BURN IT."
 

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Easy solution: start flaming Growlf (I think?) and everyone else who puts up female models. The universe is once again balanced.
 

Sprogus

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linchowlewy said:
Heppenfeph said:
linchowlewy said:
Heppenfeph said:
What I don't get is that the people complaining would be guys themselves, so it isn't like they haven't seen a penis. Are they just worried that the video game representation of them are bigger then their own? Or are they under the assumption that only they have a penis?
Couldn't have said it better. mind you however it's not the penis their afraid of. It's that they might be attracted to it, so they are blocking out all sight of it.
Yeah I thought about that after I posted. Still it seems silly.
Silly but no other reason seems appropriate except for ingrained immaturity. in fact that's more likely it.
Pretty much, and it is so stupid. Why can't people just grow the fuck up?!
 

RyantheLion

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I do find it odd that someone would complain about something they don't have to use see or even (and I don't have any pc games that use mods so I might be wrong) view on accident.