Vault101 said:
ohhh boy..here we go...
ok as you can figure this is inspried by that little debarcle going on the with Bioware writer..even though apaerently shes got nothing to do with ME3..but thats not the point
now Ill say I know VERY LITTLE about ME3 and i'd actually like to keep it that way [/B] (and yes it seems odd that Im doing an ME3 thread..but anyway), I do know (obviously) that shepard can come out of the closet
so heres what I think
I dont think its really an issue
1. because it was intended from ME1 but obviously they cut it out [/B]
2. you can fuck Aliens...[/B] seriously, take a look at garrus, he's a nice guy but he looks like a velocipator cross with a xenomorph..and femshep can totally get it on with that. Not only Garrus but femsehp can get it on with Liara, oh SURE she's not "technically" female but lets not play around here, thats just Bioware dancing around the issue (and what about kelly chambers? oh right never mind her..move along)
so my point with that is why not? lets make things "eaqual" lets not play around, gay relationships exist, lets not pretend they dont
3. ROLE PLAYING [/B]
and this one I cant stress enough, it seems easy to forget that underneith everything ,ME was originally a role playing game
and there is no "canon"
So that means that YOU decide what shepard is like...My femshep has no interest in Aliens, what so ever, just because the game gives me the option does NOT make it true, she's not going to screw Garrus and she never will or even consider screwing Garrus, or ashley or Liara
so from that as far as Im concerned my Femshep is straight
just like now maleshep and be as straight and gay as YOU want
and thats my opinion..whats yours? (god forbid)
Well, Bioware has shown that it's not shy about doing homosexual relationships when it fitss. A lot of it comes down to them creating the characters that they feel go with the story, if some of them wind up coming out gay because it fits them like with Dragon Age: Origins, then that's one thing, but they aren't going out of their way to cater to specific sexual orientations. I think this is a point a lot of people miss in this ongoing discussion about their games.
The basic arguement is that homosexuals are entitled to representation in the games, and I don't think that's true, nobody is entitled to their group's representation. Arabs, Taoists, and Hindus aren't entitled to a prescence because Ashley is Christian for example, and the same applies to homosexuals.
Once Bioware starts caving into demands it's going to turn the game into a politically correct showcase, as more and more groups demand representation just because other groups are there.
Overall, you might envision your Shepard as being gay, but that doesn't mean that there are nessicarly going to be other gay men around for him to romance on his ship. This isn't even all that unlikely given the numbers. Shepard going around looking to recruit a guy to have sex with on his ship for no other purpose also wouldn't fit with the vibe of the game.
Now this isn't to say we won't see a gay character for a gay male shepard to romance show up at some point if it fits how they wind up envisioning a character they create entirel yon their own without demand. Just that as I understand things, there aren't any such options in the game yet.
As far as the lesbian stuff goes, I'd remind people that there are *3* potential lesbian encounters. Liara we know about, then there is the consort in ME1 who you can pressure into having sex with you, and then there ia our perky little ship counslar in ME2. I think this came about more because in developing characters Bioware felt it fit with what they were working with, than any intentional plan to have lesbian options. They simply decided it fit and defended it.
With the way Bioware's writers work it's possible we'll see a game at some point where you have gay male options, but no lesbian options in one of their games. Only time will tell. Trying to force the issue however is more likely than not to reduce the chances since creativity is rarely forced, and when it is, pandering becomes fairly obvious.
As far as xenophillia goes (Garrus, to an extent the Asari), again because it's a deviant sexual behavior does not mean all behaviors are entitled to representation. It's sort of like saying that because we have this, we should have scat, or hardcore BDSM with shepard dressing up in a gimp suit and being ridden around his cabin or whatever. Not only can you only produce so much content (and romance is a sideline, not a big part of the game) but with thousands of sexual behaviors that are natural to the people who practice them and integral to their identity noone could effectively do them all, and once you make an exception for one, saying it has to be represented, you have to allow them all. To someone into scat that's just as much how they are wired, and natural for them, as someone who is heterosexual, gay, or whatever else. Sexuality being entirely chemical in nature and part of your makeup (ie you respond to phrenomes and chemical triggers, homosexuals respond to those of their own gender) as such it's normal to the participant and part of who they are. Arousal is arousal and it works the same way, and it's impossible to cover every possible way someone could be wired to get the nessicary chemical reactions. There is nothing mystical about sexuality, we understand how it works, and can even control it (by doing things like removing it entirely, by removing the sexual organs preventing chemical reception and transmission, which is how castration works).
Such are my thoughts, my overall attitudes about gay men aside.
