Homosexuality in ME3

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drisky

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Sparrow said:
I'm all down for folks being able to get their gay on, but what I'm worried about is what characters are going to be offered as gay. For instance, if Garrus suddenly starts playing for the other team I will not be happy. He's clearly not gay, but did that ever stop BioWare? For instance, in Dragon Age 2 Anders was suddenly revealed to like a bit of guy love when he was literally repulsed by the idea of it in Dragon Age: Awakenings.
I think thats is a big part of the paranoia. They changed one character in another game and now they just assume that they will be making everyone change. But really it only happened once and with what all the recent controversy has thought me, Hepler changed Anders and she isn't a part of the mass effect team. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren't doing the "everyone is bisexual now" route.
 

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I haven't played M.e. since 1 but I do remember accidently turning Allister gay in Dragon age. After that never let him in the party again. Kinda creeps me out. Ran into the same thing in DA2 this time the healer. I wouldn't consider myself homophobic just not comfortable with the in your face stuff. I don't roleplay even in roleplaying games so I couldn't care less about the romances. I usually skip the dialogue wheels unless its about the main story.
 

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ohhh boy..here we go...

ok as you can figure this is inspried by that little debarcle going on the with Bioware writer..even though apaerently shes got nothing to do with ME3..but thats not the point

now Ill say I know VERY LITTLE about ME3 and i'd actually like to keep it that way [/B] (and yes it seems odd that Im doing an ME3 thread..but anyway), I do know (obviously) that shepard can come out of the closet

so heres what I think

I dont think its really an issue

1. because it was intended from ME1 but obviously they cut it out [/B]

2. you can fuck Aliens...[/B] seriously, take a look at garrus, he's a nice guy but he looks like a velocipator cross with a xenomorph..and femshep can totally get it on with that. Not only Garrus but femsehp can get it on with Liara, oh SURE she's not "technically" female but lets not play around here, thats just Bioware dancing around the issue (and what about kelly chambers? oh right never mind her..move along)

so my point with that is why not? lets make things "eaqual" lets not play around, gay relationships exist, lets not pretend they dont


3. ROLE PLAYING [/B]

and this one I cant stress enough, it seems easy to forget that underneith everything ,ME was originally a role playing game

and there is no "canon"

So that means that YOU decide what shepard is like...My femshep has no interest in Aliens, what so ever, just because the game gives me the option does NOT make it true, she's not going to screw Garrus and she never will or even consider screwing Garrus, or ashley or Liara

so from that as far as Im concerned my Femshep is straight

just like now maleshep and be as straight and gay as YOU want

and thats my opinion..whats yours? (god forbid)
TL;DR- Shepard can screw aliens, therefore homosexual relationships with humans don't matter.
 

Aerosteam

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I don't know why anyone was so worked up about this when it was first revealed. Some of Mass Effect's DNA is role-playing, meaning Shepard's behavior and interests are the things you want them to be.

Homosexuality was present in Mass Effect, with Femshep being able to romance Liara (who is more female than male, mind you.)
It was also in the second game, with Kelly and... err Femshep again.
This time it is just a wider variety of cast members who you can be gay with.
PaganAxe said:
Don't the NPCs turn you away sometimes? I kinda tried to go for Jack in ME2 with femshep, but Jack turned her down because she says she's not into girls.
Strange, I always thought she had more testosterone in her than myself.
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Fyi, how dominant your personality/how aggressive you are is irrelevant to which sex you are sexually attracted to. If she likes girls, she likes girls. If she likes boys, she likes boys. If she likes both, she likes both. A person could have a dominant or submissive or pacifistic or aggressive personality with any of those options.


This wall of text brought to you be Zen Toombs. ZT out.
Corporal Toombs? But... I saw you die on Akuze!

And what I said about Jack having more testosterone was a joke, sorry for not sounding sarcastic. =/

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Vault101 said:
Zhukov said:
Vault101 said:
Zhukov said:
Did you say homosexuality in Mass Effect?


I believe the customary phrase is, "I'll just leave this here..." You have to watch it right through for the full effect, and no, it's not fake.

Moving on, well...

*shrug*

It really doesn't bother me. Y'know, being optional and all. Most of the objections I have seen (and I stress "most") appear to originate from people not wanting to have 'teh gay' in their game.

Besides, this means my forbidden love for Grunt can finally be expressed.
.......I think being F***ed by a Krogan would be painful...at best
Love does not bow down to such trivial matters of logistics!
you can be hung like a Krogan
go down like a lepard
but you'll never fuck better than comander shepard...
Normally when I award internetz.... its like a sort of "you won for the day" thing....
You may have, however, just permanently taken the cake...
 

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Adam Jensen said:
It's illogical BECAUSE you can fuck aliens. If humanity is so tolerable of sexual preferences in distant future that they don't care if you're fucking an alien, then being homosexual wouldn't require coming out of the closet. So the whole coming out of the closet thing doesn't make any sense at all.
And for that same reason, homosexuality became a non-issue when interracial and inter-faith marriages were no longer taboo. That's why America has a long, rich history of embracing same-sex couples.
 

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I don't mind the homosexual stuff. No one forces me to participate, after all. I especially don't mind the lesbian stuff. I am sophisticated. 8)

But I really don't care for all that bestiality ... some of those aliens come damn close.
 

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Aerosteam 1908 said:
I don't know why anyone was so worked up about this when it was first revealed. Some of Mass Effect's DNA is role-playing, meaning Shepard's behavior and interests are the things you want them to be.

Homosexuality was present in Mass Effect, with Femshep being able to romance Liara (who is more female than male, mind you.)
It was also in the second game, with Kelly and... err Femshep again.
This time it is just a wider variety of cast members who you can be gay with.
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I ended up romaning Kelly with my femshep, so she already is gay in my eyes

PaganAxe said:
Don't the NPCs turn you away sometimes? I kinda tried to go for Jack in ME2 with femshep, but Jack turned her down because she says she's not into girls.
Jack has serous commitment issues, you could look at it as her excuse not to get involed. also lisen to her diolog, she has slept with women before
 

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You get to choose, it's a non-issue.

The implementation may be clunky, but there's fuck-all point in debating that until we've actually seen if, y'know, it's clunky or not. And then the debate should be around how they make it less clunky, or whether BioWare's writing is declining, or whatever. Not if gay relationships should be in it or not.

Forlong said:
Why must every scifi writer insist on putting homosexuals in the future? Homosexuality goes in and out "of style" (for lack of a better term) through the years. There were entire cities of homos and bis circa 2000 B.C., and they died out. The number of queers also rose around 100 B.C. and dropped a century or two later. There is a fare chance that it will just drop "out of style" in several decades. Its a theory, anyway.
Acceptance of it drops in and out of style, not homosexuality itself.
 

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Anthraxus said:
Romances (both kind) are there as a form of fanservice to female players. Biowhore games have tons of female fans.
Indeed because as everyone knows it's impossible for real men to enjoy romance!
 

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I have no problem with gay romances in ME3, honestly I thought they were in ME2 and that I just never saw them because I never pursued them. Although I will admit I was slightly put off by the romance in Dragon Age, it felt so fake that I would compliment Allistar or Zavier just because I was playing a good guy and they would instantly be talking about these "feelings" they had for me, nobody is like that, they need to make the romancing deeper so I don't mistakenly find myself piloting the "Brokeback Normandy" after telling Garrus he really handed it to those geth, so to speak. That being said, I'm glad they are in the game, people should be able to make any choice they want.
 

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I hope I can romance Garrus, I love that guy. Also hopefully it won't be a "i'm gay now" reveal seeing as i'm a bisexual Shepard.
 

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its pandering. Shepard isn't gay[/quote]

Yeah guys! Bioware never ever pander to anyone! Well, if you ignore stuff like this:





Ohhh wait I get it! It's because they're pandering to someone outside your sexuality! Yeah, I mean how DARE they attempt to allow people who aren't straight males express themselves! How DARE they attempt to broaden the appeal of the game to anyone else! And how DARE they attempt to further the development and cause of the LGBT community! Those gays should just go back to their musicals and fashion shows!

In all seriousness, why does it matter? I think it's fantastic that they're adding this feature. Is it because I'm particularly fond of any of the men in Mass Effect? Not really. It's because of what it represents. I doubt many of the people complaining have ever had to seriously deal with coming to terms with their sexuality and this sort of thing can really help someone come to terms with it. I mean, how many homosexual characters who aren't hideous sterotypes can you think of in video games? You could probably count them on your hands. We often turn to media to help deal with issues and what message is it sending if you include straight relationships but not homosexual? It's okay to be straight but not homosexual? Or arguably worse, what message is it sending when you have straight and lesbian relationships but no gay ones? The only reason I was able to accept it was because I happened to watch a very good TV show with a very good portrayal of a gay relationship (it was Buffy if any of you where wondering). I've known several people who weren't so lucky to live in a mostly supportive environment and have nowhere to turn to and it was very destructive.

Just because it's outside the "core demographic" or "I'm not gay so Shepard can't be" doesn't mean he can't be. Shepard is a blank slate. S/he is whatever the player makes him/her. For god sakes, we live in the 21st century. Isn't it time we start acknowledging that gay people actually exist? Why should media be strictly prohibited to one demographic? That's ridiculous! Why is it okay to have all these next to naked women but any hints that a male character MIGHT be gay is just wrong? Grow up. Accept that you are not the only person in the world and educate yourself. Your ignorance is baffling.

As for the argument "it's the final act! It's too late for character development!"... what? I'm gonna assume that ME3 will have some breaks between the fighting, much like the previous games. There's gonna be time where you have to journey from 1 location to another and even if space travel is fast it's gonna take time. There's plenty of room for character development. Yeah, if it suddenly popped up 30 minutes before the end of the game then I'd say "yeah, fair enough" but I seriously doubt it will. We're looking at a 25+ hour game! And maybe the other crew members know. Maybe they don't care. Maybe Shepard confirmed it off screen. Furthermore, it's the 22nd century! Who knows if the lines of gay/straight even exist. I mean, it's already starting to blur now. The number of bisexual people is increasing, even if you don't include the staggering amount of drunken kisses and one time deals. And if you can get over the fact that Shepard's going to have sex with an alien with god knows what sort of orifices I'm sure Shepard can get over a penis.
 

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HHammond said:
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Never once did I say that they didn't pander, if anything you have just strengthened my point that this is pandering, given the history of pandering(as you demonstrated) that this company has done before. Granted in might be pandering to a different audience, but its pandering all the same.
 

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HHammond said:
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Never once did I say that they didn't pander, if anything you have just strengthened my point that this is pandering, given the history of pandering(as you demonstrated) that this company has done before. Granted in might be pandering to a different audience, but its pandering all the same.
Ok, then how could they not pander? Not have any relationships at all? Have everyone wear full body baggy clothes? Cos that's the only way it would work. Why is it okay to pander to straight gamers but not gay gamers?
 

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HHammond said:
Volf99 said:
HHammond said:
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Never once did I say that they didn't pander, if anything you have just strengthened my point that this is pandering, given the history of pandering(as you demonstrated) that this company has done before. Granted in might be pandering to a different audience, but its pandering all the same.
Ok, then how could they not pander? Not have any relationships at all? Have everyone wear full body baggy clothes? Cos that's the only way it would work. Why is it okay to pander to straight gamers but not gay gamers?
Glad that you could admit that I was right about pandering, moving on....

I'm not saying that the company should be forbidden from doing it, I'm just making an observation about the actions of the company.

However, if a company chooses to pander, then it shouldn't be a surprise if people get pissed about it(looking at you Fox News) or if people are repulsed by it(Shepard isn't gay). I think one of the bigger criticisms is about who is writing the material, which currently isn't going over well [http://kotaku.com/5886674/bioware-writer-describes-her-gaming-tastes-angry-gamers-call-her-a-cancer] for Bioware fans.
 

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Volf said:
I didn't agree with you. I was saying okay for simplicity's sake. And you haven't answered the question. Why is it okay? And furthermore why is this not okay? Why should they be not allowed to explore sexuality? And what is your definition of pandering because as far as I can tell it's having anything other then straight males on screen.

As far as the incident with Jennifer Harper has nothing to do with this thread as she doesn't work on Mass Effect. And I will ignore your offensive use of the word "repulsed".