Homosexuality

[Kl4pp5tuhl]

Dunno, to me homosexuality between men is against manly etiquette, while (sexy) women getting it on with each other seems very entertaining, if not arousing to say the least.

If someone thinks it is ok for him/her, fine then, but I sure don't want to watch my kids grow up to then tell me they're gay.

 

[jawg_t-j]

im all for homosexuality i know its in bad taste but wacth this link i was trying to find the one from live at the appollo but this ones pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAEBD20F_YM

 

[Hashime]

I do not believe that one "is" gay, I see it as a mental illness or deviation that must be treated or worked out in therapy.

Well no offence, but your opinion is wrong. Proven wrong.

But you may think of it what you like so long as you don't press it on others *roll eyes*

Unfortunately you are wrong. The vast majority of the population is not gay, meaning being gay is a deviation from the world wide norm. As of such homosexuality can be considered a mental illness. It isn't normal to think everyone is out to get you either.

You assume that everyone with green eyes has a mental illness, or worse.. RED!? *GASP*? :lol: :LMAO:

Just because they are the minority means they're mentally ill? >.<

You living in 1950?

(And I'm not even gay, not even slightly [We all try it out at one point, and man was I scared for life] so I'm just trying to educate you with things we learnt though-out the 90s)

Ah, but eye colour is physical characteristic. Sexuality is a mental attribute. Look up the definition of mental illness and tell my homosexuality does not fit.

 

[Hashime]

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Until you actually provide those citations everything you just said is complete and utter bullshit. Hell, even if you provide them there's a good chance they are incorrect.

Fine, I accept that, posting quotes without citations does seem dishonest,

 

[Disaster Button]

I always that gay marrige was legal in the UK, oh well.

Its just attraction, no big deal.

The rights granted by civil partnership are identical in every way to "marriage". The only difference is that, legally speaking, you cannot call it marriage. It's bullshit semantics, but the rights still stand.

And being as gay as a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide myself, I am perfectly happy with any and all GLBTQ folk =D

What does the Q stand for?

 

[Hashime]

I would first like to point out that I am homosexual, but despite not being on threads much, you can see why this naturally attract me, it's always really nice to see when so many people are so accepting, thank you

Unfortunately you are wrong. The vast majority of the population is not gay, meaning being gay is a deviation from the world wide norm. As of such homosexuality can be considered a mental illness. It isn't normal to think everyone is out to get you either.

Okay, well obviously I wasn't expecting to come on here and see absolutely no-one against it, but I would still like to say a few things.

Firstly, we do not "choose" to be gay, or homosexual. How did you know you are straight? Probably, just a natural feeling of attraction to women without any influence or seeing it as wrong. It's pretty much the same for us as well, it's just how we are (the problems as you pointed out earlier, although without citations I naturally doubt SOME of them, come later with a negative stigma towards homosexuality)
But to say it is a mental illness? I seriously think you are crossing a line now. I think it's mainly the connotations with "illness" being something we "catch or detain" through outside forces. However, I can see that, as it being in the minority population, it means that we, are of a minority. But to say that it is an "illness"?

The difference between say a population of say a population of Latinos in a predominately white area and being gay is that there is no "downside" to being latino from an individual point of view. There is however a downside to being gay, a negative consequence, an inability to conceive children naturally. This is "ill" or bad, meaning it can be defined as a mental illness.

 

[Jonabob87]

Well the reason there's a gya stereotype is because just how many people fit in to it. It's impossible to deny that people make their homosexuality their #1 personality trait.

It's EASY to deny this. Here, I'm denying it right now. I DENY.

I should probably have elaborated that I didn't mean it was everyone who made the fact they're gay their #1 trait. Just a lot. In the same way that a lot of "Christians" act as if it makes them superior, where as the rest of realise that's far from the case.

But still, that kind of logic almost suggests that all stereotypes are justified, simply because some people act that way.

Maybe not justified, but understandable.

 

[JayDee106]

Ah, but eye colour is physical characteristic. Sexuality is a mental attribute. Look up the definition of mental illness and tell my homosexuality does not fit.

Indeed such as people that enjoy Marmite, it's a minority, and that is most definitely psychological pleasing to the person. I am passing the word that if you like Marmite then you certainly have a mental illness.
Just as all those people who are scared of clowns. You all have a mental illness.

Secondly, I would just like to point out that you are forgetting that we are still people. To have such a label as "mental illness" placed upon is.. it's just beyond upsetting and not something you need do.

 

[Hashime]

Unfortunately you are wrong. The vast majority of the population is not gay, meaning being gay is a deviation from the world wide norm. As of such homosexuality can be considered a mental illness. It isn't normal to think everyone is out to get you either.

Total snorefest. Sorry, but we don't consider 'mentally ill' as being 'not wired the same as everyone else', and we don't consider 'not being the majority' as a deviation. By this logic, blonde people, white people, and people above 6 feet tall are all deviants, as none of them represent the global majority of their genre (race/hair colour/height).

To be mentally ill, to have a disorder, it must cause DISTRESS and impair the persons ability to function in society. (note: as distinct from encountering irrational prejudice from others) Being gay doesn't do either to a person. (outside circumstances can cause distress, but due to the amount of perfectly happy gay people who exist we cannot say the orientation intrinsically causes distress.)

Please stop making stuff up.

But it does cause distress and impair the ability of the person to function in society. Distress caused be social interaction is still distress, add to that the biological desire for children and the stress caused by that not being possible, and you have distress. Society is also composed of many people who do not accept homosexuality, and they again make up society. This is of course a much looser argument but it still must be factored in.

 

[vociferocity]

I always that gay marrige was legal in the UK, oh well.

Its just attraction, no big deal.

The rights granted by civil partnership are identical in every way to "marriage". The only difference is that, legally speaking, you cannot call it marriage. It's bullshit semantics, but the rights still stand.

And being as gay as a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide myself, I am perfectly happy with any and all GLBTQ folk =D

What does the Q stand for?

the Q is for Queer or Questioning, I believe.

I do not believe that one "is" gay, I see it as a mental illness or deviation that must be treated or worked out in therapy. )

I was born gay and have been out for about half my life now. I do not wish to change, I do not need to be treated and in all my years in the GLBTQ community, from student organisations onwards, I have not met a person who wants to be "treated". Being gay is as much a part of me as my blue eyes and the colour of my hair.

Happily, your belief is worth about as much as your "research". But then we all know that 97.57889893759735% of statistics are just made up.

Have you ever tried not being gay, I mean really tried? Attempting to understand why your thoughts are different from normal, trying to understand why you are choosing to go against the most basic instinct of continuing your genetic line? It might take time and effort, but If you do not try to change your situation, or understand what is different you cannot really say you are gay, only that the most convenient definition of yourself is gay. If after that your views have not change so be it.

ah, but have you ever tried not being straight? I mean really tried? for all you know, there's a longing inside you for hot sexy manly men just desperately waiting to get out. if you haven't really tried everything on offer, is "straight" anything more than a convenient definition? is it meaningful at all?

 

[Hashime]

Ah, but eye colour is physical characteristic. Sexuality is a mental attribute. Look up the definition of mental illness and tell my homosexuality does not fit.

Indeed such as people that enjoy Marmite, it's a minority, and that is most definitely psychological pleasing to the person. I am passing the word that if you like Marmite then you certainly have a mental illness.
Just as all those people who are scared of clowns. You all have a mental illness.

Secondly, I would just like to point out that you are forgetting that we are still people. To have such a label as "mental illness" placed upon is.. it's just beyond upsetting and not something you need do.

Phobias are mental illnesses, they are just common, and usually not harmful, though they can be.

 

[lazy_bum]

I do not believe that one "is" gay, I see it as a mental illness or deviation that must be treated or worked out in therapy.

Well no offence, but your opinion is wrong. Proven wrong.

But you may think of it what you like so long as you don't press it on others *roll eyes*

Unfortunately you are wrong. The vast majority of the population is not gay, meaning being gay is a deviation from the world wide norm. As of such homosexuality can be considered a mental illness. It isn't normal to think everyone is out to get you either.

You assume that everyone with green eyes has a mental illness, or worse.. RED!? *GASP*? :lol: :LMAO:

Just because they are the minority means they're mentally ill? >.<

You living in 1950?

(And I'm not even gay, not even slightly [We all try it out at one point, and man was I scared for life] so I'm just trying to educate you with things we learnt though-out the 90s)

Ah, but eye colour is physical characteristic. Sexuality is a mental attribute. Look up the definition of mental illness and tell my homosexuality does not fit.

So does the fact that i am Dyslexic and left handed, which are both abnormal compared to the general population mean that i am mentally ill?

 

[JayDee106]

The difference between say a population of say a population of Latinos in a predominately white area and being gay is that there is no "downside" to being latino from an individual point of view. There is however a downside to being gay, a negative consequence, an inability to conceive children naturally. This is "ill" or bad, meaning it can be defined as a mental illness.

Okay.. firstly I don't know if you just did not bother to read my post, or perhaps quoted someone elses.. however your response has nothing to do with what I said.

However. Would you call a nun, for instance, a person with a mental illness.. their mental choice to devote their life to God means that they cannot have a child... so in this thinking Nuns are "ill" and "bad" people, yet you are happy to put this onto someone who does not have a choice in the matter? The same certainly applies to Celibates, The Pope, anyone who has no intention to concieve children and anyone that cannot.

Lastly, please, please remember that we ARE still people. Having a label forced upon us, based on general opinion is not only incredibly insulting, but hugely upsetting.

 

[Hashime]

I always that gay marrige was legal in the UK, oh well.

Its just attraction, no big deal.

The rights granted by civil partnership are identical in every way to "marriage". The only difference is that, legally speaking, you cannot call it marriage. It's bullshit semantics, but the rights still stand.

And being as gay as a treeful of monkeys on nitrous oxide myself, I am perfectly happy with any and all GLBTQ folk =D

What does the Q stand for?

the Q is for Queer or Questioning, I believe.

I do not believe that one "is" gay, I see it as a mental illness or deviation that must be treated or worked out in therapy. )

I was born gay and have been out for about half my life now. I do not wish to change, I do not need to be treated and in all my years in the GLBTQ community, from student organisations onwards, I have not met a person who wants to be "treated". Being gay is as much a part of me as my blue eyes and the colour of my hair.

Happily, your belief is worth about as much as your "research". But then we all know that 97.57889893759735% of statistics are just made up.

Have you ever tried not being gay, I mean really tried? Attempting to understand why your thoughts are different from normal, trying to understand why you are choosing to go against the most basic instinct of continuing your genetic line? It might take time and effort, but If you do not try to change your situation, or understand what is different you cannot really say you are gay, only that the most convenient definition of yourself is gay. If after that your views have not change so be it.

ah, but have you ever tried not being straight? I mean really tried? for all you know, there's a longing inside you for hot sexy manly men just desperately waiting to get out. if you haven't really tried everything on offer, is "straight" anything more than a convenient definition? is it meaningful at all?

I have through thought experiment considered all of the point I have made, and concluded that I am indeed straight, I would not make a suggestion such as this without having though through it myself. Though is all that is necessary. Though it cannot be done in one afternoon. To get a sense of your self you must examine every aspect of your life and analyze in detail.
I do not take my reality at face value, I suggest you do not as well.

 

[vociferocity]

Unfortunately you are wrong. The vast majority of the population is not gay, meaning being gay is a deviation from the world wide norm. As of such homosexuality can be considered a mental illness. It isn't normal to think everyone is out to get you either.

Total snorefest. Sorry, but we don't consider 'mentally ill' as being 'not wired the same as everyone else', and we don't consider 'not being the majority' as a deviation. By this logic, blonde people, white people, and people above 6 feet tall are all deviants, as none of them represent the global majority of their genre (race/hair colour/height).

To be mentally ill, to have a disorder, it must cause DISTRESS and impair the persons ability to function in society. (note: as distinct from encountering irrational prejudice from others) Being gay doesn't do either to a person. (outside circumstances can cause distress, but due to the amount of perfectly happy gay people who exist we cannot say the orientation intrinsically causes distress.)

Please stop making stuff up.

But it does cause distress and impair the ability of the person to function in society. Distress caused be social interaction is still distress, add to that the biological desire for children and the stress caused by that not being possible, and you have distress. Society is also composed of many people who do not accept homosexuality, and they again make up society. This is of course a much looser argument but it still must be factored in.

the thing is, while it is entirely true that gays and lesbians will, on average, experience more societal distress throughout their lives (glbt teens are up to four times more likely than their heterosexual peers to attempt suicide. source [http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayteens/a/gaysuicide.htm]), newsflash time: it's people like you who tell them they have a mental illness, that they're deviants, who ask them in all seriousness if they've tried not being gay who are causing that statistic.

when it's the people who are saying "you have a mental illness because you're distressed and you're a minority" are the ones causing that distress, you can't then go blame it on the people you're distressing for being part of the minority you're distressing. I mean, you clearly can, as evidenced right here by you, but honestly you just look like a dick doing it.

plus hello it doesn't count as the kind of distress that is symptomatic of a mental illness when it's the kind of distress that comes from being prejudiced against. surely that's pretty fucking basic common knowledge.

but oh look, the post you were replying to even says this. learn to fucking read, dumbass.

edit: also holy mother of sweet jesus god on a cracker what is this.

"add to that the biological desire for children and the stress caused by that not being possible"

uhhhhhhhh I'm sorry, does adoption/surrogacy just not exist in your world or something?

 

[Hashime]

I do not believe that one "is" gay, I see it as a mental illness or deviation that must be treated or worked out in therapy.

Well no offence, but your opinion is wrong. Proven wrong.

But you may think of it what you like so long as you don't press it on others *roll eyes*

Unfortunately you are wrong. The vast majority of the population is not gay, meaning being gay is a deviation from the world wide norm. As of such homosexuality can be considered a mental illness. It isn't normal to think everyone is out to get you either.

You assume that everyone with green eyes has a mental illness, or worse.. RED!? *GASP*? :lol: :LMAO:

Just because they are the minority means they're mentally ill? >.<

You living in 1950?

(And I'm not even gay, not even slightly [We all try it out at one point, and man was I scared for life] so I'm just trying to educate you with things we learnt though-out the 90s)

Ah, but eye colour is physical characteristic. Sexuality is a mental attribute. Look up the definition of mental illness and tell my homosexuality does not fit.

So does the fact that i am Dyslexic and left handed, which are both abnormal compared to the general population mean that i am mentally ill?

Yes, learning disabilities are mental illnesses. I bet you have undergone treatment of some kind, learned techniques to help you deal with you disorder?
As for being left handed that is a wiring thing, though a lefty can learn to write with the other hand, it is just hard (from experience).

 

[Serenegoose]

But it does cause distress and impair the ability of the person to function in society. Distress caused be social interaction is still distress, add to that the biological desire for children and the stress caused by that not being possible, and you have distress. Society is also composed of many people who do not accept homosexuality, and they again make up society. This is of course a much looser argument but it still must be factored in.

No. We do not consider others distress, as lollarious as it might be, when deciding what makes a mental illness. You can be as sniffly as you like about it, but that doesn't make them ill. That's your own deal to work over, and this isn't pass the parcel.

Also, you're actually just making stuff up. Distress due to the inability to have children? You're aware that gay people are fertile, right? And not all of us WANT children?

distress caused by societal interaction? What distress? And how does being distressed about homophobic abuse make homosexuality a mental illness? That does not fit up logically. That's like saying being distressed about being beaten up makes assault a mental illness.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

Well the reason there's a gya stereotype is because just how many people fit in to it. It's impossible to deny that people make their homosexuality their #1 personality trait.

It's EASY to deny this. Here, I'm denying it right now. I DENY.

I should probably have elaborated that I didn't mean it was everyone who made the fact they're gay their #1 trait. Just a lot. In the same way that a lot of "Christians" act as if it makes them superior, where as the rest of realise that's far from the case.

But still, that kind of logic almost suggests that all stereotypes are justified, simply because some people act that way.

Maybe not justified, but understandable.

Understandable, and still wrong.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

That's like saying being distressed about being beaten up makes assault a mental illness.

And here's an apparent news flash: every kid who's ever felt peer pressure has a mental illness!

 

[zerofan]

I do not believe that one "is" gay, I see it as a mental illness or deviation that must be treated or worked out in therapy. )

I was born gay and have been out for about half my life now. I do not wish to change, I do not need to be treated and in all my years in the GLBTQ community, from student organisations onwards, I have not met a person who wants to be "treated". Being gay is as much a part of me as my blue eyes and the colour of my hair.

Happily, your belief is worth about as much as your "research". But then we all know that 97.57889893759735% of statistics are just made up.

Have you ever tried not being gay, I mean really tried? Attempting to understand why your thoughts are different from normal, trying to understand why you are choosing to go against the most basic instinct of continuing your genetic line? It might take time and effort, but If you do not try to change your situation, or understand what is different you cannot really say you are gay, only that the most convenient definition of yourself is gay. If after that your views have not change so be it.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/paradoxEvolution.html

Just give it a read

So what you are saying is that because wild animals do it, humans should too? Humans are also monogamous, an issue not covered in the article. A bull might go after anything that it can mount, but it will mount more than one cow. Unless you are mating with a different partner often being gay still poses the same problem. If you also consider the societal need for 2 parents, to cover both the cost and the amount of time it takes to raise a child the arguments of the article become invalid.

Recent physiological studies have demonstrated physically detectable differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Simon LeVay's hypothalamus study (1991) found that the hypothalamus, "a part of the brain that helps regulate sexual behavior, was smaller in homosexual men than in heterosexual men; it was equivalent to the dimensions seen in heterosexual women" (Angier, 1992).

A second anatomical difference was subsequently discovered by Dr. Laura S. Allen and Dr. Roger A. Gorski of the University of California at Los Angeles. Allen and Gorski found that another brain structure, the anterior commissure, a "cord of nerve fibers that allows two halves of the brain to communicate with one another, is larger in homosexual men than it is in either heterosexual men or in women." LeVay said of he Allen-Gorski studies: "'I think the work is very good, and I think it's correct It's such a clear result, and in a sense it's more important than my own finding" (1992).

New findings support "a neuroendocrine predisposition for homosexuality" (study by Dr. Gunther Dorner and associates, as reported by Ellis, 1992). Other studies indicate hormonal differences in homosexuals (West, 1977).

Even with the increased number of studies being conducted, the "question of the basic origin of fixed homosexuality remains controversial" (Ellis, 1992). The trend is towards identifying biological factors which may lead to a predisposition for homosexuality, while leaving the door open for environment and experience as determining factors in individual behavior.

SO what I'm trying to say is, where is this a purely higher brain function mental thing?