Horrizon Zero Dawn worth a buy review

[Catfood220]

Ok, having watched the video, I can admit that the guy has a point about being hidden in the grass making you totally invisible. But to be fair, that criticism could be made about many games.

However, when he started going on about how all PS4 games are the same, I know we were in idiot territory. I think he must have played two PS4 games in total because sure, Horizon: Zero Dawn is exactly the same as Valkyria Chronicles, Until Dawn, Odin Sphere: Leifrasir, Tearaway: Unfolded and Uncharted 4. I must be remembering those games completely wrong.

I am in love with Horizon: Zero Dawn, I was excited for the game and I'm glad that the game turned out to be good. B-Cell, I'm asking nicely. Could you at least play a game before declaring it to be shit? There are many games out there that don't appeal to me or I haven't played such as Half Life 2, but I don't go making threads saying that it is shit and that is because I have no experience of playing it.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

Haha, the hypocrisy is abundant with just these two videos alone. Basically as long as it's on PC and a good port (they also hated Dark Souls because it wasn't) they'll give a pass to games that are far more guilty of criticisms they leveled at Horizon.

These guys are little more than a modern form of yellow journalism, full of cynical joke-laden, subjective click-bait bias. About the most honest thing he said is calling out his own bs in his last few comments of the FCP review.

 

[NPC009]

However, when he started going on about how all PS4 games are the same, I know we were in idiot territory. I think he must have played two PS4 games in total because sure, Horizon: Zero Dawn is exactly the same as Valkyria Chronicles, Until Dawn, Odin Sphere: Leifrasir, Tearaway: Unfolded and Uncharted 4. I must be remembering those games completely wrong.

Those games are the same! Can't you see? You push buttons on a controller to interact with the game! A controller.

 

[Avnger]

Dude what even? You don't care, you only play 1st person shooters of the manliest of manly variety. Just let people enjoy things.

Though I have absolutely no interest in either game, I will say that because of this, I'd be far more likely to get Nier: Automata than I would Horizon: Zero Dawn. Mainly because the story of H: ZD is preachy as all hell.

Is it preachy I need the same way Mad Max Fury road was preachy? Also it's funny that people are calling this a feminist when their are anti-SJW defending it as the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=r-D_elwYtT8
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=11_4Gq2Rvsk

800 brown-haired white male grizzled protagonist movies/games are not preachy at all, but introduce one strong female as the protagonist (or co-protagonist in Fury Road) and even Soviet Russia has nothing on the social engineering levels attained.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

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And you had to make it political.

On top of pulling the Relative Privation (AKA appeal to worse problems) fallacy.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/155/Relative-Privation

OT: Man determined to not like a game doesn't like a game. For some reason, we all had to hear about it.

Only trying to convey a real world example of how pointless the biased One Angry Gamer article's perceived semantics are. They probably wouldn't have even had an article if Aloy was male. It ties into my earlier point that too much journalism today is marginal filler content churned out to meet quotas more so than presenting original, quality ideas.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

Dude what even? You don't care, you only play 1st person shooters of the manliest of manly variety. Just let people enjoy things.

Though I have absolutely no interest in either game, I will say that because of this, I'd be far more likely to get Nier: Automata than I would Horizon: Zero Dawn. Mainly because the story of H: ZD is preachy as all hell.

Is it preachy I need the same way Mad Max Fury road was preachy? Also it's funny that people are calling this a feminist when their are anti-SJW defending it as the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=r-D_elwYtT8
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=11_4Gq2Rvsk

800 brown-haired white male grizzled protagonist movies/games are not preachy at all, but introduce one strong female as the protagonist (or co-protagonist in Fury Road) and even Soviet Russia has nothing on the social engineering levels attained.

Yeah, I often wonder if human beings were able to live for centuries rather than mere decades if we'd ever overcome such immense and repeated levels of stupidity. Or maybe it would be worse.

 

[DeliveryGodNoah_v1legacy]

What's your logic with just taking everything this guy says blindly?

Do you have other reviewers that have said the same thing (without googling for some now that I'm asking), or are you just constantly regurgitating everything this guy has to say because it fuels your biases about games you're not already excited about?

Reviews are very tough to write. You either end up too objective (which provides little information and can be seen as a borderline ad) or you can be too subjective.

And even when you do hit a "sweet spot", it will not make everyone happy.

The idea with reviews is to see multiple, from different perspectives and different conclusions, and then use that information.

When was the last "generic open world game" that you played anyway? Or do you just get reviews that only confirm your preconceived notions so you can stand with your dick and never touch one?

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

I know people who hate feminism but love Fury Road. That speaks volumes.

This whole agenda/identity politics crap has gone way too far. I think the information age has kinda came back around to bite humanity in the ass a bit; we just aren't doing a very good job of managing it all.


I suppose chalk it up to insecurities established through generations of social norms. Whenever something is perceived as outside the "norm", all hell beaks loose. It shouldn't have to be that way. We might as well all be robots if it were the case. Or go back to hunting/gathering and be content to leave it all at that.

 

[Hawki]

I also believe Rey from Star Wars wouldn't have been called a feminist misogynist Mary Sue Marty Stu nearly as much if she was male. There's a long history of overpowered and overly capable male heroes in movies, much like males in games.

I agree with you to an extent, but for instance, Anakin in the prequels is the strongest Jedi around (least by Episode III), but while no-one has an issue with his power, they do have an issue with his personality. Funnily enough, Rey is the opposite for me - I do find her a Mary Sue in as much as her powers become so great so fast, but as a character (e.g. personality), I find her quite likable).

Of course, this is Star Wars, so fans will always find something to complain about.

 

[Laughing Man]

He is best reviewer currently and say things professional reviewers will lose the job if they point out those flaws. I dont always agree with him for example his Doom review was terrible and complain about why its like old doom.

The best reviewer currently... the guy doing the video in the link is the best video game reviewer currently? Well skipping the uming and uhing that he constantly doe throughout his reviews, the off hand bollock laiden statements that mean nothing and moving straight on to two very key statements that render his reviewing critique as next to worthless.

'If you're a typical shallow consoler gamer'
'These games play you you don't play them'

What this guy has done is instead of reviewing the game purely on IT'S merits or FLAWS he has allowed his own pre conceived opinions of a). Console games and b). Console gamers to cloud his entire review and frankly that doesn't make him the best reviewer currently, that makes him a pretty piss poor game reviewer.

Of course their is also a vague and over powering wiff, of I am giving a poor review to something everyone else is reviewing highly that seems to be a constant theme throughout the video as he tries to mention how others have reviewed it well at every opportunity he can find.

Jim Sterling gave the game a 9.5/10 and we can all guess how much of a fuck he gives about keeping the publishers happy.

 

[Bombiz]

The last Super Bunnyhop video I watched was the critical close-up of MGS3. He spent so much of the beginning randomly shitting on MGS2 that I stopped caring about the qualities of the game the video was actually about. So I didn't get far into that video. He probably didn't have much to say that I wasn't already aware of.

It's always about popularity with those YouTubers.

I don't think he would've have done a video where he talks about Rainbow six siege positively then

 

[stroopwafel]

No clear structure or thorough analysis on sound design/music ( compare it with ACG)

I don't watch many youtubers but ACG is one I regularly watch. He has keen observations on games that are both meticulous and precise but without having that air of pretentiousness that other more informative youtubers have. But even they are still better than all that uninformative fanboy trash.

Espescially ACG's 'walking the walk' in which he goes through the game with a fine comb is one I always really enjoy.

 

[Athennesi]

No clear structure or thorough analysis on sound design/music ( compare it with ACG)

I don't watch many youtubers but ACG is one I regularly watch. He has keen observations on games that are both meticulous and precise but without having that air of pretentiousness that other more informative youtubers have. But even they are still better than all that uninformative fanboy trash.

Espescially ACG's 'walking the walk' in which he goes through the game with a fine comb is one I always really enjoy.

Love that series. When it comes to talking about sounds, world, visual detail, ACG is at his best. An hour of this passes so fast.

 

[Neverhoodian]

The last Super Bunnyhop video I watched was the critical close-up of MGS3. He spent so much of the beginning randomly shitting on MGS2 that I stopped caring about the qualities of the game the video was actually about. So I didn't get far into that video. He probably didn't have much to say that I wasn't already aware of.

Huh? There were just a few minor quips about MGS2 in that video. He likes the entire MGS series I believe and did a video about how awesome MGS2 is.

He kept shitting on MGS2 in order to make MGS3 look better, using worthless comparisons. When I reviewed Max Payne 3, I didn't disparage the previous games, which I find inferior, because it's not relevant. He wouldn't have done it if those criticisms weren't popular opinion. It's always about popularity with those YouTubers.

I'm sorry, but I simply can't sit idly by and watch you misrepresent Noodle Senpai like this.

If anything, his (admittedly arty-farty pretentious) take on MGS2 as a brilliant post-modern deconstruction of the medium is far more forgiving than your typical review of the game. His comparisons in the MGS3 close-up were to illustrate how different the design philosophies were for the two games (at least, that's how I interpreted it).

 

[Neverhoodian]

I didn't misrepresent anything. I'm talking about what I saw in his MGS3 video. His MGS2 video is another matter. It was to illustrate what MGS2 did badly and what MGS3 did better, in his mind.

Fair enough. That said, just because someone points out the flaws in a product doesn't necessarily mean they're "shitting on it." I'm a huge Star Wars nerd, yet I'll readily acknowledge that I have my share of gripes with it, even the hallowed original trilogy. Also, it makes sense to me to compare sequels to previous entries in a well established story-driven franchise, particularly when it has fairly overt references to previous narratives.

 

[cleric of the order]

Is it preachy I need the same way Mad Max Fury road was preachy? Also it's funny that people are calling this a feminist when their are anti-SJW defending it as the opposite.

it was return of kings and only them who were up on the mad max
>andy
can't tolerate that guy, he's neither entertaining or really interesting either
>rags
never heard of the fella, but he features top hats and C so he's likely boring.
Those folks aren't so much Representative of any community because the community itself is like herding cats.

800 brown-haired white male grizzled protagonist movies/games are not preachy at all, but introduce one strong female as the protagonist (or co-protagonist in Fury Road) and even Soviet Russia has nothing on the social engineering levels attained.

well it isn't.
what the fuck is it preaching? target audience? being cheap on character modelers? or that AAA is bland?
all of those statements are true but it's not really something you can push.

Also i wouldn't really call her much of a character, let alone assign a gender to it
>you live in a shit world where people die like flies.
>freedom is clearly more important let's die in the desert and waste resources.
doesn't make sense to me but I'm here for the cars and explosions.

but yeah, return of kings is stupid, they're hardcore traditionalists obsessed with men being feminized it permeates their entire pick up artist glass or something

I also believe Rey from Star Wars wouldn't have been called a feminist misogynist Mary Sue Marty Stu nearly as much if she was male. There's a long history of overpowered and overly capable male heroes in movies, much like males in games.

i mean she won't be if she was it was the mary sue that was dropping it.
but she would be a marty stew either way, the whole character was asspull after asspull
I mean i'll let things slide, but there's a difference between, untrained unyoung person and say fucking navi seal who basically uses one of these small sets of skills that are related to the job which was pre-established.
there's a reason why people point to luke and that's because you have a dork who is unskilled at the force at an age where he ought not to be to learn and you can see him strain to become competent.
Rey is like bam, bam bam i can do all this shit now, it sort of saps it for me, I'd of been fine if they didn't sort of pop the dramatic bubble for me.