Uh I guess I'm slow but how is the prank call related to her killing herself? I mean that in itself is sad but I just don't see the connection here or why the radio station is getting blamed.
Hospital Nurse found dead after prank call on the Duchess Catherine...
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I don't really know to be honest. And I don't consider myself that slow. All I said mentioned was that there was a call and then the nurse was found dead under "unexplained circumstances" (so we have to have a word on whether it was a suicide, even).DugMachine said:
Found another article on the thing
I'm still confused how are the prank call and the death (let's assume it's a suicide) connected. Don't get me wrong (because I'm sure there are people who would) - I'm not saying they aren't nor in any way defending the radio station. I'm against these "official" prank calls in general, since they sound so obnoxious on the phone, and furthermore the pranksters can always hide behind "but 'twas for da funneh, hurr, our listeners like laughed and stuff" as if that somehow makes them innocent. However I just fail to see what the connection is here. All the articles say is that she committed suicide some time after there was a prank call. Nothing else. Literally. As if the presence of the prank call can automatically be linked to the death. For all we know, she may have been shot with a death ray by aliens.
(CNN) -- One of the nurses duped by a prank phone call about Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, apparently committed suicide on Friday, and many social media users were quick to point fingers at the two radio hosts who made the call and then promoted it on Facebook.
Australian radio station Facebook page [http://www.2dayfm.com.au/]Wednesday with the caption, "Listen to the prank that the world is talking about. Can you believe Mel and MC got away with these dodgy accents?"
The hashtag #royalprank was retweeted more than 15,000 times on Twitter after the radio station began promoting the call. It continued to be used after news of the nurse's death.
Catherine, the pregnant wife of Britain's Prince William, had been hospitalized with severe morning sickness. The prank became worldwide news [http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/05/world/europe/uk-royal-prank-call/index.html?iref=allsearch] as the nurse, believing the DJs were Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles, forwarded the call to a second nurse who eventually revealed details of the former Kate Middleton's condition.
Concerns over privacy and the media, which had surfaced in England during the News of the World scandal [http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/09/uk.phonehacking/index.html] and again when topless photos taken of Catherine were published, were quickly reignited.
But Prince Charles himself joked about the incident after being contacted by the radio station. News of the prank was also widely shared on social networks, with at least 5,000 links created and shared between Tuesday and Thursday.
At the time, royal commentator Robert Jobson said he did not believe the radio call had been intended as a serious invasion of privacy.
The hospital identified the nurse as Jacintha Saldanha. As news of her death spread, commenters flooded the 2DayFM Facebook page.
A user named Gary Dawson posted, "Shame for still having this sick call on website!! Shame on the DJs and shame on the radio station."
At 10:54 a.m. ET, 700 comments had been posted since Wednesday. By 11:15 a.m. ET, the number had risen to more than 1,100 and was still growing rapidly. The Facebook page Hot30 Countdown [https://www.facebook.com/hot30], also used to promote the two DJs, did not have a post about the prank, but that didn't stop people from commenting there.
The 2DayFM posts, including the audio of the prank, were deleted by 11:41 a.m.
Although it is unclear what scrutiny Saldanha had been under since the prank, the hospital said in a statement that it had been supporting her. Neither police nor the hospital publicly blamed the radio station for Saldanha's death.
At St. James's Palace, a spokesman said, "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are deeply saddened to learn of the death of Jacintha Saldanha."
The Twitter account for radio host Michael Christian (@MelGreigHot30 [https://twitter.com/mcontheradio]) was also deleted. The station and its parent company, Southern Cross Austereo released the following:
"Chief Executive Officer Rhys Holleran has spoken with the presenters, they are both deeply shocked and at this time we have agreed that they not comment about the circumstances. SCA and the hosts have decided that they will not return to their radio show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy."
The full statement was also posted to the 2Day FM Facebook page and in one hour received more than 4,400 comments and 234 shares. One comment linked to an online petition [http://www.change.org/petitions/2day-fm-radio-sydney-dismiss-mel-greig-and-michael-christian-and-all-those-involved-for-gross-misconduct] to fire Greig and Christian. At the time of this writing it had received 1,985 online signatures from around the world. The introduction states, "Journalists should be held to higher standards."
But there were also calls for a step back from the immediate tragedy.
"Do you know why patriots like myself defend this kind of speech until my dying breath?" posted a CNN commenter. "To find that answer, ask yourself this: Who decides what kind of speech is appropriate or inappropriate? Who decides what kind of speech is offensive or not? What if you have the power to decide? At what point does an opinion that differs from yours become offensive to you? And what will be the penalty for my supposed offense?
"We can never afford to go down the road if defining right speech from wrong speech. It throws everything else into doubt and opens the doorway for tyrants and the fringe to persecute those who are not like minded.
"The nurse, for whatever personal reasons she might have clearly over-reacted. It is sad. But that is all it is. Nobody should be prosecuted or penalized over this."
Others fired back, arguing that not all speech is protected and that no one has immunity from the negative effects of reckless actions. Still others said the discussion was pointless, since "Australia does not have explicit freedom of speech in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights"
"Here's a social experiment for you," wrote James Breen on the Hot30 Countdown page. "Try treating people with common decency and respect."
Source [http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/07/tech/social-media/radio-prank-suicide-social-media/index.html]
Australian radio station Facebook page [http://www.2dayfm.com.au/]Wednesday with the caption, "Listen to the prank that the world is talking about. Can you believe Mel and MC got away with these dodgy accents?"
The hashtag #royalprank was retweeted more than 15,000 times on Twitter after the radio station began promoting the call. It continued to be used after news of the nurse's death.
Catherine, the pregnant wife of Britain's Prince William, had been hospitalized with severe morning sickness. The prank became worldwide news [http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/05/world/europe/uk-royal-prank-call/index.html?iref=allsearch] as the nurse, believing the DJs were Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles, forwarded the call to a second nurse who eventually revealed details of the former Kate Middleton's condition.
Concerns over privacy and the media, which had surfaced in England during the News of the World scandal [http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/09/uk.phonehacking/index.html] and again when topless photos taken of Catherine were published, were quickly reignited.
But Prince Charles himself joked about the incident after being contacted by the radio station. News of the prank was also widely shared on social networks, with at least 5,000 links created and shared between Tuesday and Thursday.
At the time, royal commentator Robert Jobson said he did not believe the radio call had been intended as a serious invasion of privacy.
The hospital identified the nurse as Jacintha Saldanha. As news of her death spread, commenters flooded the 2DayFM Facebook page.
A user named Gary Dawson posted, "Shame for still having this sick call on website!! Shame on the DJs and shame on the radio station."
At 10:54 a.m. ET, 700 comments had been posted since Wednesday. By 11:15 a.m. ET, the number had risen to more than 1,100 and was still growing rapidly. The Facebook page Hot30 Countdown [https://www.facebook.com/hot30], also used to promote the two DJs, did not have a post about the prank, but that didn't stop people from commenting there.
The 2DayFM posts, including the audio of the prank, were deleted by 11:41 a.m.
Although it is unclear what scrutiny Saldanha had been under since the prank, the hospital said in a statement that it had been supporting her. Neither police nor the hospital publicly blamed the radio station for Saldanha's death.
At St. James's Palace, a spokesman said, "The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are deeply saddened to learn of the death of Jacintha Saldanha."
The Twitter account for radio host Michael Christian (@MelGreigHot30 [https://twitter.com/mcontheradio]) was also deleted. The station and its parent company, Southern Cross Austereo released the following:
"Chief Executive Officer Rhys Holleran has spoken with the presenters, they are both deeply shocked and at this time we have agreed that they not comment about the circumstances. SCA and the hosts have decided that they will not return to their radio show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy."
The full statement was also posted to the 2Day FM Facebook page and in one hour received more than 4,400 comments and 234 shares. One comment linked to an online petition [http://www.change.org/petitions/2day-fm-radio-sydney-dismiss-mel-greig-and-michael-christian-and-all-those-involved-for-gross-misconduct] to fire Greig and Christian. At the time of this writing it had received 1,985 online signatures from around the world. The introduction states, "Journalists should be held to higher standards."
But there were also calls for a step back from the immediate tragedy.
"Do you know why patriots like myself defend this kind of speech until my dying breath?" posted a CNN commenter. "To find that answer, ask yourself this: Who decides what kind of speech is appropriate or inappropriate? Who decides what kind of speech is offensive or not? What if you have the power to decide? At what point does an opinion that differs from yours become offensive to you? And what will be the penalty for my supposed offense?
"We can never afford to go down the road if defining right speech from wrong speech. It throws everything else into doubt and opens the doorway for tyrants and the fringe to persecute those who are not like minded.
"The nurse, for whatever personal reasons she might have clearly over-reacted. It is sad. But that is all it is. Nobody should be prosecuted or penalized over this."
Others fired back, arguing that not all speech is protected and that no one has immunity from the negative effects of reckless actions. Still others said the discussion was pointless, since "Australia does not have explicit freedom of speech in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights"
"Here's a social experiment for you," wrote James Breen on the Hot30 Countdown page. "Try treating people with common decency and respect."
Source [http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/07/tech/social-media/radio-prank-suicide-social-media/index.html]
I'm still confused how are the prank call and the death (let's assume it's a suicide) connected. Don't get me wrong (because I'm sure there are people who would) - I'm not saying they aren't nor in any way defending the radio station. I'm against these "official" prank calls in general, since they sound so obnoxious on the phone, and furthermore the pranksters can always hide behind "but 'twas for da funneh, hurr, our listeners like laughed and stuff" as if that somehow makes them innocent. However I just fail to see what the connection is here. All the articles say is that she committed suicide some time after there was a prank call. Nothing else. Literally. As if the presence of the prank call can automatically be linked to the death. For all we know, she may have been shot with a death ray by aliens.
Sad times
I assume the link between the Radio prank and her (possible) suicide is that she was either ashamed because she let out patient detail which might have led dismissal, etc. or at any rate she probably knew the tabloids would have crucified her for days and put so much hate upon her so she just decided to leave early
Or maybe the stress just got to her, of caring for the royals etc. or just being a nurse in general
I assume the link between the Radio prank and her (possible) suicide is that she was either ashamed because she let out patient detail which might have led dismissal, etc. or at any rate she probably knew the tabloids would have crucified her for days and put so much hate upon her so she just decided to leave early
Or maybe the stress just got to her, of caring for the royals etc. or just being a nurse in general
I would assume that, because she was the one who let the call go through, blame fell on her. How much blame--just a light-hearted ribbing or serious trouble--is not included in the article. However, the shame she probably felt would have been a lot. Judging by what her coworkers say, she took her job very seriously and was well respected. For someone like that to be reduced to a laughing stock and mocked for falling for something that everyone else would have clearly seen through (at least that's what the radio show I listened to said, "Their accents are so bad, how did she not catch this?") would have been devastating. To care for probably the most important patient you will ever care for, and then to mess up like that...in her mind, it was probably too much. To have the whole world know about it because the people who tricked you are bragging about it every chance they get would be crushing. She probably couldn't take that anymore and took her own life. To sum up: radio show makes a prank call that goes further than they thought it would, but all in good fun. However, they don't realize that they've just made everyone at the hospital, especially the nurses in the recording, international laughing stocks. Nurse can no longer take being made fun of and loss of respect, so she kills herself.manic_depressive13 said:
The whole thing is very tragic. Those two DJs will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, whether they should or not. Personally, I think a small amount of blame is theirs, but not all of it and certainly not the amount other people are throwing at them.
But you're starting from the assumption that one led to the other, which isn't really clear at all. At least from what I've seen so far. I, and manic_depressive13, want to know how does CNN know that for a fact, since they offer no evidence in the article, nor in the other one I posted a bit above.Sniper Team 4 said:
Read above - the article fails to make the connection entirely. Now, were it clear they are related, sure, I can totally understand it, but the article only goes "There was a prank call. She did suicide" without in any way linking them. In fact, it sort of fails on the suicide bit too, but I'll take their word for it - not going to nitpick here.rhizhim said:
One can assume the prank call was the reason but there is nothing to back up that assumption aside from the presence of the prank call. And having no other real information, it's sort of a flawed assumption.
I didn't read all the comments above so I'm not gonna get involved in what looks like it will become a long "argument"
I'll instead say that if the suicide IS connected to the prank call then it's a joke gone horribly wrong and I feel for all parties involved.
I'll instead say that if the suicide IS connected to the prank call then it's a joke gone horribly wrong and I feel for all parties involved.
That's it - we can speculate, and I can see that being the case. It's the article that just fails to make any sort of relevant explanation about its title. I'd like nothing more than it being true. OK, that actually sound bad. If it is true, then hopefully less jokes like these would be made, since "it's just harmless fun" would finally be a banned excuse. But I'm not willing to go and project my feelings on the situation - I also cannot tolerate CNN being wrong (for this case...well, also in general, I guess).rhizhim said:
Ah, CAPTCHA has such a refined taste, in fact. Won't you like some steak and kidney pie or a pastry with that tea?rhizhim said:
See, most medical professionals follow a VERY strict code of ethics. Releasing confidential information is listed among the worst of these just behind "do no harm".bojackx said:
Releasing confidential information ends a career in the profession (worst case), at best really hurts your job prospects in the future.
This is one of those things where you need to live in the medical community culture to fully understand. I use to work in it, I can tell you this, people have been fired for this before. In this case, she was obviously tricked but I imagine still written up for doing this over the phone.
I one time applied for a job after working in a hospital, HR would neither confirm nor deny my working there. That is the level of seriousness this is.
I would understand the outrage if she had started describing the state of that royal's vagina in detail, which would have been embarrassing both for the royal and for her, but all she said was "She was feeling a bit poorly but she's better now". How is that confidential information? Do people really give a shit about such trivial crap? If the prank call and the suicide are connected I would say that it's not the radio hosts who are at fault but the people who led the nurse to believe that what happened actually mattered.Gilhelmi said:
I'd laugh if the nurse were really alive and this was just the British people playing a practical joke back.
If a family member calls, it is not wrong to provide medical information if consent has already been established. I don't know that consent was established but it is fair to say the royal family is probably pretty involved in Kate Middleton's hospitalization. I'm guessing the nurse's only derelict of duty is failing to recognize bad impersonations.
The nurse should have kept it brief and said "The Princess is doing well, thank you for your call. Will you be in to visit later today?" Then there would be no issue, and that is proper professional behavior. But I'm not sure she did anything illegal or unethical. I'd guess the shock jocks did commit a crime by fraudulently misrepresenting their identity to gather confidential medical information.
We'll see. Stupid and tragic every way you look at it.
If a family member calls, it is not wrong to provide medical information if consent has already been established. I don't know that consent was established but it is fair to say the royal family is probably pretty involved in Kate Middleton's hospitalization. I'm guessing the nurse's only derelict of duty is failing to recognize bad impersonations.
The nurse should have kept it brief and said "The Princess is doing well, thank you for your call. Will you be in to visit later today?" Then there would be no issue, and that is proper professional behavior. But I'm not sure she did anything illegal or unethical. I'd guess the shock jocks did commit a crime by fraudulently misrepresenting their identity to gather confidential medical information.
We'll see. Stupid and tragic every way you look at it.
Since this seems to have been glossed over by most people, I would like to emphasise that the nurse that died did NOT give away any details, she merely transferred the DJ's to the nurse that did. So how on earth is this related?? I think a lot pf people are overreacting. Don't get me wrong, it is a huge tragedy, but the link to the call is tenuous at best.
The reason I didn't share that prank video was that I thought it was incredibly cruel. In our Internet age, everything is global and sadly that includes the times when a radio station makes a fool of you. We have a culture obsessed with pointing out other people's failings. There are entire sites and forums dedicated to showcasing failure in others. We have become so obsessed with 'reality television' that we no longer consider that at the other end of that transaction is a real person and a life.
[EDIT, so it wasn't the nurse featured in the call, but other than that, my point still stands in generality. As for the OP using this suicide to fuel his or her anti-anti-bullying rhetoric, please cease to do so. This has nothing to do with bullying, and it doesn't even fit the definition of bullying. All you're doing is grinding your axe in the wrong place. If you don't think that bullying is a real issue, then so be it, but many have see first hand the power of bullying on others. It's an issue not deserving of your current flippancy and misindentification.]
[EDIT, so it wasn't the nurse featured in the call, but other than that, my point still stands in generality. As for the OP using this suicide to fuel his or her anti-anti-bullying rhetoric, please cease to do so. This has nothing to do with bullying, and it doesn't even fit the definition of bullying. All you're doing is grinding your axe in the wrong place. If you don't think that bullying is a real issue, then so be it, but many have see first hand the power of bullying on others. It's an issue not deserving of your current flippancy and misindentification.]
I'm grinding an axe now? Am I a bloody blacksmith? Oh 'ello sir, what can I do for you? Why yes of course I can blacksmith you up an enchanted sword! What's that then? The price? Well it be about three rubies then!UberNoodle said:
Whas that? You dunt have three rubies? Well then I suppose I could trade it for that chicken under your arm there.
>.> And for fucks sakes, if you're going to lecture me at least identify me by my username instead of OP.
What on Earth makes you think the Queen would say "Can I get more Tea?" as if she were some lowly commoner. When her Majesty hears about this you'll wish you'd never been born!SaneAmongInsane said:
About the article though, it's kinda sad. I mean I remeber me and my Dad having a good laugh about this but now it's not as funny knowing this lady couldn't handle it.