How can the friend zone debate end?

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bobmus

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Well, I don't really think it exists. I was friends with my girlfriend for a long while, and got decidedly more interested in her romantically (especially having never had a girlfriend before), and it was fairly well known that I was into her and she wasn't into me. I persisted, and got lucky, and am still together two years later.

However, the idea of the 'friend zone' refers to a situation where you are not even considered as a sexual partner, being the 'friend'. This is untrue, you've been considered, and found unworthy. You can either keep trying to win her heart, and hope she relents, or give up and go elsewhere.
 

Skin

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I was friend-zoned. Easy solution; stop being friends... Ignore everything, retain bad-ass motherfuckery.
 

Starik20X6

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As long as there are people who don't understand how dating works, there will be friend zoned people, and those people will complain. It's as simple as that, and unfortunately it's not something you can teach (trust me, I'd know- despite being told hundreds of times it didn't sink in until I realised it myself). There's not a lot that can be done about it. Like every other thing in the world, some people get it, some take a while, some don't get it at all. Just the way it goes.
 

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All men should do away with the constant generalization that all women only date assholes... under one condition...

That all women should do away with the constant generalization that all men are only interested in sex.

Of course, if anyone actually accepts those truths, it pretty much debunks the theory Morpheus here presents that men who are kind to women are only kind because they want sex from them.

Yeah, there's such a thing as a nice guy looking for a relationship, just like there's such a thing as a girl who prefers not to date assholes. It's a shame the two don't meet that often.
 

Fijiman

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The only way to not be bothered by being in the friend zone is to put yourself there instead of waiting for the girl to do it. And if you want to date her then tell her that from the beginning instead of "looking for the right opportunity."
 

The Thinker

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Daystar Clarion said:
Man, I don't know about the Friend Zone, I can't seem to get out of the Danger Zone.

I just got through the Green Hill Zone, got lost in the Twilight Zone and I thought it was all over in the Zone of the Enders.
Go west, goddammit! West!

hulksmashley said:
How To Avoid the Friend Zone in Four-ish Easy Steps:

1. See a girl that you like.
2. Spend time with said girl while attempting to be romantic.
3. Tell her that you like her.
4a. She says she likes you back. Yay! The End.
4b. She says sorry, but she doesn't like you. Aww.
4b2a. Stop your pursuit and move on. The End.
4b2b. Just become her friend. Like, a normal friend, not a friendzombie. The End.
I have embettered your list. Kinda. Now it's like a choose-your-own-adventure! Or a flowchart! Or a list!
 

Darknacht

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I always thought the whole friend zone thing was funny because on line it seems like its all guys complaining about girls friend zoning them but in real life I've known far more girls that complained about getting friend zoned the guys.
 

XenonZaleo

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The issue probably stems from the internet taking something that's real and extrapolating it to the point it's meaning is lost.

You're not friendzoned if she wants to be friends with you but has no romantic interest in you. That is life. Regardless of what you think is good for them, they have their own desires and things that make them attracted to people, just like you do. I'm sure most of you out there have female friends with which you have no interest in pursuing a romantic/sexual relationship with. Perhaps they're ok in short doses but you'd drive each other crazy long term. Perhaps you simply aren't attracted to her. Well, all that stuff? Women, as people, have those same kinds of thoughts. It doesn't matter if you think you're perfect for the job, she doesn't agree, and relationships are like those submarine keys, gotta both turn them at the same time.

The "Friend Zone" is, in reality, a very particular situation, where a woman, who despite being a person has parts of a thought process that are unknowable to man, "just doesn't think of you that way". It's not that there is any particular flaw in who you are, it's just that, "it'd be weird, he's my friend"(actual quote heard in the last six months). In other words, it's a situation where you have been categorized out of a relationship REGARDLESS OF YOUR PERSONAL QUALITIES.

It's important to remember that this is not nearly as common as the internet would like to pretend. While it's not RARE, per se, you also have to remember that she's just as likely lying as being truthful in those situations. i.e., she finds you deficient in some way/you're just not her type, but she doesn't want to just be a jerk to you, so she gives you the "friend" excuse to let you down softly (at least, in her mind).

In short, the argument would end if you didn't over use the term so that it loses all meaning and begins to encompass situations it was never meant to encompass.
 

Rickolas Walrus

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Daystar Clarion said:
Man, I don't know about the Friend Zone, I can't seem to get out of the Danger Zone.

I just got through the Green Hill Zone, got lost in the Twilight Zone and I thought it was all over in the Zone of the Enders.
I have no real contribution to this thread. I just had to quote this man/woman's awesomeness
 

loc978

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00slash00 said:
lately i have seen this popping up a lot
http://ifeelokay.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/maybe-friendzone-is-bullshit.jpg

and im pretty sure we have all seen this
http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/7783.jpg
Funny and true, both. Comes down to being honest.

You want her? Say so. Just because you think she knows she's desired by every man who comes in contact with her doesn't mean you're correct in your assessment.

You don't want him, but he's made it plain he wants you? Say so. Better to have intentions known by all parties than to have doubt and sexual tension lingering.

Communication is a two-way street, guys and gals.
 

Johnny Impact

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It's about blame and arrogance. Both sides blame the other. Blame makes things easier. Projecting the cause of our troubles on some external agency, some fault within the other person, means we don't have to fix ourselves. It also allows us to imagine we are better than they are, that the only reason we didn't succeed was because the game was rigged by people who weren't good enough to win a fair contest.

Women need to know that most guys can deal with rejection. It's just that if they can't eat the cake, some of them would rather not have the cake at all.

Think about it. Imagine a beautiful, delicious-looking cake that you can look at, and smell, but never taste. Now imagine spending every day with the cake (it doesn't spoil), looking at it, smelling it, but enjoying neither the look nor the aroma because all you can think about is how good it would taste.

Wanting to eat the cake does not make a guy an asshole. Being unhappy with only the appearance and aroma of the cake does not necessarily mean a guy is "unable to handle" not being allowed to eat it. It could just mean he didn't want to settle for two out of three. He walks away from the cake because he doesn't want to be reminded of what he can't have every day. More women need to understand this.

What guys need to understand is that women don't "just date assholes."

They certainly do date assholes. When I was younger there was a guy in my town who was infamous as a wrecker of lives, a guy with a ten year trail of broken souls behind him. Even knowing his reputation, women almost literally lined up for their chance to be emotionally abused, then shamelessly discarded. (And yes, I've also seen a woman do this. It is by no means gender exclusive.)

This behavior isn't universal, or even typical. It's just that particularly unpleasant examples like this always stand out in our memory. Fifteen years later I remember the name of the abuser, and the three women I knew (and many others I didn't) who he ground down into pits of mistrust and self-loathing from which some of them never managed to climb out.

Who I don't remember is any of the guys who dated the women I wanted at that time, the guys I called assholes back then. I expect they were probably all right, certainly no worse than I was.

Calling the other guy an asshole helps a little, but saying it does not make it true. A single heinous example is not affirmation of an overwhelming trend. A woman's judgment is no better or worse than your own. Any guy who thinks she chose someone else because the other guy was a worse choice rather than a better one is lying to himself.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Man, I don't know about the Friend Zone, I can't seem to get out of the Danger Zone.

Did you take the highway to get there?

OT: I think the friendzone, but it's been oversaturated by douchebags who think that just being by being kind to a girl then she's obligated to have sex with you. Example: Everyone at 9Gag
 

ReservoirAngel

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The "friend zone" debate can end when people collectively agree to fuck everyone who shows the slightest friendly interest in them.

Of course since that'll never happen, the whole 'debate' will never end.
 

Rawne1980

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Daystar Clarion said:
Want to know how I started my relationship with my significant other?

I was funny. I made her laugh. I didn't shower her with compliments, I didn't tell her how special she was, I treated her like I treated any of my male friends.

Like a human being.

A flawed, beautiful, human being.
When I first met my wife it all started over me telling her she had a nice arse.
 
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Rawne1980 said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Want to know how I started my relationship with my significant other?

I was funny. I made her laugh. I didn't shower her with compliments, I didn't tell her how special she was, I treated her like I treated any of my male friends.

Like a human being.

A flawed, beautiful, human being.
When I first met my wife it all started over me telling her she had a nice arse.
Classy as ever :D

I wouldn't expect any less from a Scouser.
 

Something Amyss

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Daystar Clarion said:
Man, I don't know about the Friend Zone, I can't seem to get out of the Danger Zone.

I just got through the Green Hill Zone, got lost in the Twilight Zone and I thought it was all over in the Zone of the Enders.
And here I thought we had a Kenny Loggins reference going.