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Dogstile

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If he said you can move forward from it in response to a question, sure!

If its a case of "You're depressed and can't work because your dad died? HAH, GO CRY ON SOME CAKE, FATTY, YOU'RE JUST LAZY" then he can go suck a massive dick
 

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ToastiestZombie said:
So, I have currently gone into another year at my school. The year before we got a new Head Master, and he has made a lot of changes. He's changed the school uniform (i'm British btw), put everyone into a class system and has put a business park over the road (or at least going to). He has also made most of the veteran teachers and senior staff redundant, and replaced them with business people. Anyway, all of that doesn't matter but what does matter is what he said in our opening assembly.

"If you have lost a relative, it is not an excuse to do bad in school. I once said to my nephews after they lost their mother "just because this happened, is not your excuse to start failing in school"

The main reason I'm offended is because I lost my father when I was 6, it affected most of my school work and social life. He is basically saying that if you have had a life affecting tragedy, that doesnt mean you dont have to do your work.

So escapees, what do you think could justify this, or make it unjustifiable.

[EDIT] He has also just sent out a person who had just lost two of her brothers in a terrible car accident because she was being ill mannered and wanted to have attention. Theres some more reasons for you to call him an asshole

[return of the edit!] For people who have been asking about the context, it was at a start of year assembly where he boasts about last years exam results and tell us all to behave well and not be naughty.
He is a huge douche, but he is right that you should not let the loss consume you to the point of making you unable to function in your studies. He should have rephrased how he went about speaking of the matter to be more sympathetic and not come out looking like a emotionless being. He should have gone on saying that it would dishonor the person that has left you by letting yourself fail because they are gone from this world. I have let my self be consumed by emotions and know how bad this truth can be. I still don't agree how he went about it and question his skills with educating younger minds with his attitude.

I would not mind punching him though if he said that to me when I lost some one I loved recently.
 

Jodah

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See in most American Schools and Universities such decisions are handled by each instructor. Most of the time they will give you extra time for homework or rescheduling an exam for you. Stuff like that. You still have to do the homework, they can't just give you an A because someone in your family passed away, but they give you consideration.

I had to do that my final year at College (Uni for those across the pond). My mom passed away and I missed a week of classes. All of my professors offered me extra time but I declined it.

Its possible you are misinterpreting his meaning (possibly because he worded it poorly). A family member dieing isn't an excuse for a free pass for all your classes. It doesn't work that way in the real world (bereavement time is usually unpaid or short time), nor should it in school. However, it does give a reason to offer some leeway on the part of instructors.
 

Arluza

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this is the mindset that the megacorporations in the states have. He is preparing you for the work force or something I guess.

Sure, the guy is a dick, but you should be THANKFUL he is letting a little waste of life like you exist in the first place. (Note: that is not my mindset, that is his.)
 

spartan231490

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ToastiestZombie said:
So, I have currently gone into another year at my school. The year before we got a new Head Master, and he has made a lot of changes. He's changed the school uniform (i'm British btw), put everyone into a class system and has put a business park over the road (or at least going to). He has also made most of the veteran teachers and senior staff redundant, and replaced them with business people. Anyway, all of that doesn't matter but what does matter is what he said in our opening assembly.

"If you have lost a relative, it is not an excuse to do bad in school. I once said to my nephews after they lost their mother "just because this happened, is not your excuse to start failing in school"

The main reason I'm offended is because I lost my father when I was 6, it affected most of my school work and social life. He is basically saying that if you have had a life affecting tragedy, that doesnt mean you dont have to do your work.

So escapees, what do you think could justify this, or make it unjustifiable.

[EDIT] He has also just sent out a person who had just lost two of her brothers in a terrible car accident because she was being ill mannered and wanted to have attention. Theres some more reasons for you to call him an asshole

[return of the edit!] For people who have been asking about the context, it was at a start of year assembly where he boasts about last years exam results and tell us all to behave well and not be naughty.
I would have walked out of an assembly if someone said that. I would have changed schools. He's a . . .
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I don't have a word bad enough to describe him. Superdouchatrocious? Can that count as a word?
Anyway, he's a dick. Lots of people are. Accept it and ignore it. If you feel that his being a dick will negatively affect you (because of his authority over you) try to change schools or something. Write letters to the school board telling them how much you were offended and try to get some friends to do the same. Or, write multiple different letters and send them anonymously. Hope this helps, good luck.
 

PhunkyPhazon

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Either he's never lost anyone close to him, is an emotionless asshole, or simply cannot comprehend what people go through when that happens. I mean what does he expect? (I know crappy dialouge isn't the best way to convey this, but bare with me)

"My...my parents were just killed in a car crash. Never again will I taste my mother's cooking, or watch a game with my dad. All the good memories, the laughs, the happiness...I will never know any of that again.

Oh well, that English paper isn't going to write itself. FIVE SECOND MOURNING PERIOD OVER!!!"
 

Escapefromwhatever

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Repress your feelings, kids! Grades are more important! It's not like they'll come back later on in your educational life ten fold and turn it intoma living Hell or anything!

Yeah, I've lost both my parents, one at age eight, and the other on the day I turned twenty, and those losses have caused me some academic trouble. But not because I was trying to take advantage of my parents' deaths to justify avoiding school, which is what your principal seems to be assuming every tragedy stricken kid does. What a self-righteous, paranoid prick, having the gall to attack people who have just had personal calamities. Somehow, I can't help but guess that both of his parents are still alive.
 

Ashannon Blackthorn

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Seems to me the headmaster is technically right, but isn't exactly diplomatic about it. Sounds like your headmaster is a psychopath. Not the chainsaw wielding murderer psycho but unable ot empathize with others that don't share his viewpoints, and deeming others views not important.
 

SnipeHunter11

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That seems like an odd way to start off a school year... Though in a weird way, it was probably meant to be motivational. You know, stiff upper lip, all that very British stuff. Without a recording of what was actually said though, it's hard to figure out what the intent actually was.

I disagree with the statement that losing a family member is not an excuse for doing poorly... but you should still have to jump through hoops to actually get any scholarly benefit from it. Just because somebody happened to die, does that mean you should get a free pass for a couple of months? Or even the whole year? Poor behaviour and failing grades as a result of a loss should be dealt with, yes, and perhaps a bit of leniency could be extended. But dealing with the ultimate consequences of loss is not the responsibility of the school. Well, except for the school counselor. Assuming there is one, of course. I guess the headmaster's just trying to prepare people for the real world. Because unless you get a really cushy job, it's rather difficult to get more than a week or so of bereavement leave.

TL;DR:
Headmaster was probably just trying to be motivational. Stiff upper lip. Very British!
 

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Justify them ..... properly or just sarcastic one liners?

1: Stop being a wuss!! Weekends are for crying into your pillows!

2: Back in the olden days a family member died of polio every other week. You should be thankful it's only one every now and again!

3: Would *YOU* want you kids suffering in school if or when you die young?
 

Mikeyfell

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Um... one question: Do British schools get state funding based on test scores?
If the answer is yes then there's your rationale.

He's still a dick though.

I mean if he's the kind of person who replaced the entire senior staff with business people then he's the same kind of person who wouldn't jeopardize his funding just because one of his students might have some form of human emotion.

I don't know why he would say that in the opening assembly though? He might just be an asshole, you should totally kill his parents.
 

OneOfTheMichael's

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That seems a bit more like a dictatorship than a principal. Rally students and go for a new one!
No don't that was a stupid suggestion but I guess it's not that bad unless he's affecting students personally like one-o-one talking down ons.
But It's still insensitive for him to ask people, who are deeply affected by the lost of loved ones, to suck it up.
Yah! great personality.
 

Saltyk

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ToastiestZombie said:
GothmogII said:
Just a thought but...what was the context in relation to that line? Have there been many deaths in the families of students, or at the very least, a recent death that he was referring to? Seems kind of an odd thing to state out of no-where...
At the start of the year, he made a big speech to all the school (the year groups were separate due to space) and whilst he was talking about manners, behavior and all that stuff he said this. The worst thing is he had just sent out a girl who had just lost both of her brothers in a car accident out, saying she had terrible manners and will never have a good life when she was gone. Also, he said to everyone in the room that they are lesser humans because youre young, thats why you cant vote or drive. Also, at the end he asked us if we found any of his points unreasonable, which we would've got suspended if we actually did (noone did btw)
Seeing as I can drive and vote on top of a few other things, I must not be a lesser human. And if I heard this guy saying anything like that, I'd give him a piece of my mind. There's no excuse for that kind of belief. That's just sick and wrong.

As for his statement about the deaths of loved ones affecting your grades, even if he is right on some level, he could have found a better time, place and way to say it. Seriously, if this man considers himself human, I don't want to be a human.
 

Jake0fTrades

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Your Headmaster is a cynical prick.

"I don't care what your sob-story is, you will not fail me!"