How come I don't get classic literature?

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Simeon Ivanov

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arragonder said:
here here! I mean the "this would be so much better as a game instead of a book" gave away the problem imo.
I didn't say it would be better as a game, I said it would make a good game. As in some of the visual ideas would look magnificent on CGI. But I doubt any book would make a good game. If the game was exactly like the book, then it wouldn't make a good game. It would really drag on, there would be too much dialogue and story and not enough ... y'know ... game.
 

Exterminas

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Classical Literature can be enjoyed on a lot of different levels. You simply have to find one that suits you.

One, you already covered, is trying to get into the mindset of a given time.

Another possibility is to try and put the books into a literary context. For example Don Quijote. It is a great parody of the medieval knight romans (See Chrétien de Troyes and a lot of german authors) because it actually takes the piss out of that whole honorable knight thing.

Then you mentioned Dante's Devine Comedy. (PS: I have no bloody idea why people in america insist on calling it Inferno). That thing can only be entertaining, if you actually know the people mentioned in it and see why it is funny.

The problem with this second approach is that you need a vast literary education to practice it. You can not simply get twenty classics and sit down, read them and be a literate person by the time you finish. For that to work you'd have to make a list of about 200 books and read them all twice, to make sure you see all the connections.


Maybe another great approach is to relate the old books to the modern day. The Devine Comedy for example: This is actually nothing more than a work of Fan-Fiction. Isn't that fun? To judge the thing by standards that we apply to badly writtin Harry Potter Fan-Fics?
 

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Who the hell is so mean that they give you 20 books to read over one vacation[footnote]If you like reading good for you, but 20 books is going to consume a lot of your vacation[/footnote]?!
 

Simeon Ivanov

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Exterminas said:
Hmmmm ... so in order to enjoy a couple of books, I'd have to read a whole bunch of other books? :D

I think the idea of Inferno being a fan-fic would be hillarious. Although it would be a bad fan-fic. It's way too interesting for Harry Potter Fanfics :D
 

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Azure-Supernova said:
Probably the literature just showing its age. Even as someone who reads quite heavily I can't bring myself to re-read a lot of classics I devoted a painful day or two to read. In a few decades writing will have evolved further and looking back at some of my favourite books today (Artemis Fowl, Playing for Pizza, the Night Angel trilogy) my kid's kids probably won't "get what's so great" about them that had me enjoying them so much.

Hell I struggle with Lord of the Rings heavily descriptive style and I like good description.
I LOVE the Night Angel trilogy.
 

Zakarath

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If the Odyssey is one of the suggested books, you should go for it. It's pretty sweet.
Edit: Oh well, I see that it isn't. Instead, You should read Faust while rocking out to Kamelot's The Black Halo.
 

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Phlakes said:
I really think a lot of them are overrated. And honestly, most of the super-deep meanings and word play are in Shakespeare's writing and most of the other works were probably unintended, but as we all know, literature professors can analyze anything out of any book.
I'm a writer, and I will tell you now: An english teacher might tell his students "the author wrote here 'the curtain concealing the broken window was dark red, unnervingly like fresh blood' which I suspect echoes the protagonist's inner rage and darkness."

The writer will tell you "I wrote 'the curtain was dark red, unnervingly like fresh blood' because I wanted to make the curtain dark red, and I thought a comparison to blood would get the point across."
 

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Simeon Ivanov said:
Hello there fellow Escapists,

"Hmmm ... this would make a really awesome game, or a CGI movie ... or even a cartoon <cough*Japan*cough>". My point is - This could be a really awesome spectacle, and not a mountain of text.
Then clearly either you have some sort of problem or I have book super powers. every Book I read goes off like a movie in my head. Only with an insane amount of detail
 

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Simeon Ivanov said:
Zakarath said:
If the Odyssey is one of the suggested books, you should go for it. It's pretty sweet.
Well I read Iliad, by the same guy. Is it similar?
I think so; I've not yet read the Iliad, however. :/

Also: goddamnit, captcha
 

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Hmmm....oddly enough I was just thinking about this topic a few days ago at work. The joys of repetitive tasks.

OP, I understand how you feel. I tried to read Don Quixote, and in the forward they mention it's this great comedy that people laugh their butts off at. and I can sort of see the setup in the general idea, but it just didn't work. Inferno was fun, but it seemed like Dante got really bogged down with name-dropping at some points. Which that's fun as party-trivia, but I don't particularly know who in god's name these people are. So yeah. the effect is kinda lost.

As for WHY these things are considered classics? I think to a certain degree it's old cranky English teachers declaring them such, with all their deep meanings and whatnot. They're declared as such because ultimately...um....the cranky old English teachers who taught THEM declared it so. Their expectations were colored to suggest that these books are classics and thus requirements, so even if they personally don't get those supposedly deep meanings and whatnot, the lessons they were taught naturally call those meanings out. So the cycle continues because even if YOUR English teacher didn't get it, he's probably sure that it's just a failing on his part and some of HIS students will get it and it'll totally blow their mind and they'll stop reading their damn Twilight Harry Potter bullshit.
 

Simeon Ivanov

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Tsukuyomi said:
My literature teacher is a middle aged bulgarian woman ... I don't know it that's better or worse than a cranky old english man ... at least he has that funny british accent
 

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You don't see classic literature as classic material, simply because you're out of it's time. It's not classic just because somebody thought it was genius, or because it would remain applicable and amusing for all the ages to come (that's a rediculous statement one should never make, since we can't predict the future). Their considered classics because at their time, or shortly after, they were extremely popular and set a specific movement to a specific age. Shakespeare's works, for instance, are considered to be classics because his plays set the pillars for contemporary drama. Some are considered classics, because the works are out of their time, which means they succeed their respective audience, and are either found to be extremely controversial for their time, or unappreciated, but later on are found by someone who popularizes them.
Basically, that's the whole thing behind all this classics fuss. I understand you to an extent, but the mistake you make in reading and trying to interpret classical literature is that you go into it thinking that it will be like contamporary literature, fast-paced and all, and that's a mistake. A great portion of attention was paid to small details back in the day, which may break the flow, or make the piece seem extremely boring. Just try to put yourself in a completely unbiased state of mind when you start reading, and don't try to compare it to modern-day literature, and I suppose you may make it a bit easier on yourself.
Personally I enjoy most classical works, and it's my favourite genre (if I can even call it a genre), because if you look hard enough, you can catch a glimpse of the genius that brought them up and kept them alive till today.
 

Exterminas

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Simeon Ivanov said:
Exterminas said:
Hmmmm ... so in order to enjoy a couple of books, I'd have to read a whole bunch of other books? :D

I think the idea of Inferno being a fan-fic would be hillarious. Although it would be a bad fan-fic. It's way too interesting for Harry Potter Fanfics :D
I general idea is that you either enjoy literature or you don't.

You can not really learn that. The notion that they can just stuff twenty books down your throat and expect you to absorb their greatness is insane.

That would be like dumping 20 years worth of football-coverage on a person an then asking them "How did you like it?"
 

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Baneat said:
Twenty books over like 8 weeks?

Are you cereal?
It's sad that you think that's hard.
It's sad that you think that I would find it hard, and then it's sad that you'd assume so much, and it's also sad that you think around 16 hours of homework a week from a single class in school when you're sixteen during your summer holidays is reasonable.
 

Fiad

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This quote comes to mind

A classic is a book which people praise and don't read.
~ Samuel Clemens (a.k.a. Mark Twain)

Most of what people call the classics are terribly boring and did not age well.