How come no one's allowed to hate stuff anymore?

[DannibalG36]

Without hate, there is no love.

/thread

 

[Voodoomancer]

I go "Tsssk, you don't know what you're missing" at most.

 

[k-ossuburb]

I don't like Final Fantasy. I get the appeal it would have for people but it's just not an enjoyable game for me. However, I dropped this apparent atomic bombshell at the London MCM Expo and received a hell of a lot of scorn for it.

It wasn't even that I was saying it maliciously; one of my friends pointed out a cosplayer and how their costume was pretty accurate to some character (big hair, carries a ball of some kind) and said the character's name (I have no idea who) and I asked them "who?" they repeated the name and I said "I still don't know who you're talking about, are they from an anime or something?" When they told me where the character was from I said "oh, well I don't really like Final Fantasy all that much so..." and then I was cut off by a various people saying "how can you NOT like Final Fantasy?" and so on.

Got all the usual replies; calling me a Halo fanboy (even though I'm not, I'm actually a Silent Hill fanboy) saying that I "just don't get it" and that it's "obviously too complex for you".

I honestly didn't really care what they thought or said, I was just amazed that it brought such a reaction. It's really not the best RPG series ever made, I reserve that spot for the Ultima series.

 

[chris89300]

Allow me to clarify my statement:

Many times I have been in the middle of a pleasant conversation with a person or group of people and the topic drifts around until this person/these people proceed to exclaim how they worship something like coffee or bacon, making clothes out of it, bathing in it, mixing it with the blood of virgins, etcetera. I hate the tastes and smells and nutritional benefits (or lack thereof) of both of these products and upon informing people of this, I seem to incur their wrath.

Why am I not allowed to hate bacon? It's disgusting and has obvious health risks.

And coffee, not only does it stain your teeth, but it inhibits the production of dopamine in your brain. And that's important.

Come now people this abuse has to end. It seems that now that we've at least made it socially unacceptable to not be tolerant in most of today's industrialized world, we have to stoop to alienating people who aren't interested in things that a group of people feel are good.

I do not alienate people for liking coffee or bacon or whatever it is that they like, so why must I be ostracized by people for not liking these things? Is my argument not valid? Is it not the one that in fact has scientific basis and is not held up by the loose assertion that 'it is just the best thing ever.'

And in case you are wondering, I have actually lost friends over this. There is a group of people who actually yell loudly about how magnificent coffee and bacon are whenever I enter a room.

So escapists, I ask you this:
Have you ever been the one to attack another for not liking 'awesome' thing x?
What other things have you found induce such irrational behavior in your fellow humans?
Have you ever been the victim of such abuse?
And do you, like me, believe people should totally chill out about such things?

And yes, I am aware that many people will be urged to childishly quote me and write how bacon/coffee is amazing, regardless of the facts, even just to 'kid' with me, so I would like to formally request, anyone who wishes to preform the above atrocity, please take a good introspective look at your life and whether you would like to be known as the one who sided with the cults of bacon/coffee. And if you find that you still want to, I suggest you buy a lifetime supply of the item and concentrate on it and not this thread.

And also, I dislike intensely every single Call of Duty game. I do not like the whole realistic shooter thing. I believe the point of video games, literature and art in general to be the ability to escape the realm where the laws of the universe apply.


Edit: OK I understand, hate is a strong word. My hatred began only as dislike, but I was bashed so much for this it polarized into what I call, very casually, hatred. Still, I try to use the word sparingly and hope its casual use on this post has not seriously offended anyone.
Also! I never attempted to drill into anyone's head that they shouldn't eat/drink bacon/coffee!
I simply tell people that one of the reasons for my dislike/hate/whatever you want to call it stems from the negative values toward your health from the products.

Edit(2):Ok, I get it. Hate is a strong word. I will cease using it. Now, how about we move on to the issue at hand and disregard my word choice.
Let me rephrase the issue: Why is no one allowed to disagree with popular opinion anymore?

Actually, that's simple, we aren't allowed to because people love having their opinions fed to them, and what doesn't "conform" is taken down. Like the gay/bi haters, only even less complex, since gay/bi haters are often based on religion etc.

Just ignore the dumbasses and move on, you don't need them anyways.

PS: you're not alone, we don't have decent bacon here (Fr), so I can't say much about it, but I do hate coffee, even the smell disgusts me.

 

[kalakashi]

So I didn't read any of the posts other than the opening one. That's your context.

Judging purely from the way you write, then on the specific topic of bacon and coffee, I imagine that the real issue your friends have is that (in my quickly constructed imaginary scenario) you dislike them more for the health issues rather than the taste etc. (although these may also contribute) and as the health risks are not apparent at a young age and, I would imagine, not that severe unless you abuse them, then it seems they're likely just taking the piss because you might have come off as prudish or something to that effect.

 

[Caravaggio]

Epic Bacon and Coffee-related snippage

As someone who takes great pleasure in hating things, I agree wholeheartedly with you. While I don't think its okay to dislike something for absolutely no reason (this also applies to liking stuff as well) if you've got a reason and you don't like it, fuck it- go nuts.

It can be fun to have a light-hearted argument with someone that loves what you hate- my husband and I do it constantly- but I understand what you mean when you air how frustrating it is that some people can't seem to let it go and accept that, for your own reasons, you can't agree with them.

As for using the word "hate", why not? Yes it's a strong word, but fuck it, if that's how you feel, that's how you feel, even if its just a vocabulary choice to illustrate your point. People throw the word "love" around excessively as well and no one seems to be making a big deal out of that.

Thank you for accepting my word choice and recognizing the similar abuse of the word love.

Also, I do not despise a light hearted argument. I only hate when people beat the topic into the dirt, bringing it up at random and such.

 

[Caravaggio]

And coffee, not only does it stain your teeth, but it inhibits the production of dopamine in your brain. And that's important.

I just wanted to comment on this statement, I think you understood the concept wrong.

"Caffeine stimulates the central nervous system by interfering with adenosine receptors. These receptors are believed to inhibit dopamine neurotransmission, thereby decreasing motor activity. Thus, caffeine may directly maintain dopamine levels and normal neural function."

Thank you for your help with this, in a non-condescending way, though it has already been cleared up (in a much more argumentative, grumpy way)

 

[Caravaggio]

Allow me to clarify my statement:

Many times I have been in the middle of a pleasant conversation with a person or group of people and the topic drifts around until this person/these people proceed to exclaim how they worship something like coffee or bacon, making clothes out of it, bathing in it, mixing it with the blood of virgins, etcetera. I hate the tastes and smells and nutritional benefits (or lack thereof) of both of these products and upon informing people of this, I seem to incur their wrath.

Why am I not allowed to hate bacon? It's disgusting and has obvious health risks.

And coffee, not only does it stain your teeth, but it inhibits the production of dopamine in your brain. And that's important.

Come now people this abuse has to end. It seems that now that we've at least made it socially unacceptable to not be tolerant in most of today's industrialized world, we have to stoop to alienating people who aren't interested in things that a group of people feel are good.

I do not alienate people for liking coffee or bacon or whatever it is that they like, so why must I be ostracized by people for not liking these things? Is my argument not valid? Is it not the one that in fact has scientific basis and is not held up by the loose assertion that 'it is just the best thing ever.'

And in case you are wondering, I have actually lost friends over this. There is a group of people who actually yell loudly about how magnificent coffee and bacon are whenever I enter a room.

So escapists, I ask you this:
Have you ever been the one to attack another for not liking 'awesome' thing x?
What other things have you found induce such irrational behavior in your fellow humans?
Have you ever been the victim of such abuse?
And do you, like me, believe people should totally chill out about such things?

And yes, I am aware that many people will be urged to childishly quote me and write how bacon/coffee is amazing, regardless of the facts, even just to 'kid' with me, so I would like to formally request, anyone who wishes to preform the above atrocity, please take a good introspective look at your life and whether you would like to be known as the one who sided with the cults of bacon/coffee. And if you find that you still want to, I suggest you buy a lifetime supply of the item and concentrate on it and not this thread.

And also, I dislike intensely every single Call of Duty game. I do not like the whole realistic shooter thing. I believe the point of video games, literature and art in general to be the ability to escape the realm where the laws of the universe apply.


Edit: OK I understand, hate is a strong word. My hatred began only as dislike, but I was bashed so much for this it polarized into what I call, very casually, hatred. Still, I try to use the word sparingly and hope its casual use on this post has not seriously offended anyone.
Also! I never attempted to drill into anyone's head that they shouldn't eat/drink bacon/coffee!
I simply tell people that one of the reasons for my dislike/hate/whatever you want to call it stems from the negative values toward your health from the products.

Edit(2):Ok, I get it. Hate is a strong word. I will cease using it. Now, how about we move on to the issue at hand and disregard my word choice.
Let me rephrase the issue: Why is no one allowed to disagree with popular opinion anymore?

Actually, that's simple, we aren't allowed to because people love having their opinions fed to them, and what doesn't "conform" is taken down. Like the gay/bi haters, only even less complex, since gay/bi haters are often based on religion etc.

Just ignore the dumbasses and move on, you don't need them anyways.

PS: you're not alone, we don't have decent bacon here (Fr), so I can't say much about it, but I do hate coffee, even the smell disgusts me.

Thank you for your input, I believe what you said is definitely a highly contributing factor to the topic. Also, I love French culture (even more after hearing about the bacon thing) I took French throughout all of high school (though that helped more to inspire admiration of the French than to actually help me learn the language) and it is one of the places I am considering moving to after college.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Well, hating bacon is unacceptable.

I'm joking, but man... I fucking love bacon.

The biggest 'not allowed to hate' thing is music. People wheel out the 'be open minded' defence (anime fanboys are probably worst for this actually), when I say I hate something. Apparently hating anything makes you a bad, unenlighened person.

 

[Caravaggio]

So I didn't read any of the posts other than the opening one. That's your context.

Judging purely from the way you write, then on the specific topic of bacon and coffee, I imagine that the real issue your friends have is that (in my quickly constructed imaginary scenario) you dislike them more for the health issues rather than the taste etc. (although these may also contribute) and as the health risks are not apparent at a young age and, I would imagine, not that severe unless you abuse them, then it seems they're likely just taking the piss because you might have come off as prudish or something to that effect.

I appreciate you adding your context, for this sort of thing has been discussed already.

The conversation goes like this: (and bear in mind the last statement is exaggeration)

Person X: Well I built a house out of bacon this morning.

Me: I don't really like bacon.

X: What how can you not like bacon??!!!1one1!!!??

Me: It's too greasy and it's bad for you.

X: You're a freak and must be strung up by your pinky toes in the town square to be ridiculed.

 

[Caravaggio]

Well, hating bacon is unacceptable.

I'm joking, but man... I fucking love bacon.

The biggest 'not allowed to hate' thing is music. People wheel out the 'be open minded' defence (anime fanboys are probably worst for this actually), when I say I hate something. Apparently hating anything makes you a bad, unenlighened person.

Yes, this is true. As has been demonstrated on this topic previously, anyone who comes out as a hater of the Beatles, (such as myself) gets attacked for not liking the supposed innovation of the (in my opinion) bland pop band.

 

[chris89300]

Allow me to clarify my statement:

Many times I have been in the middle of a pleasant conversation with a person or group of people and the topic drifts around until this person/these people proceed to exclaim how they worship something like coffee or bacon, making clothes out of it, bathing in it, mixing it with the blood of virgins, etcetera. I hate the tastes and smells and nutritional benefits (or lack thereof) of both of these products and upon informing people of this, I seem to incur their wrath.

Why am I not allowed to hate bacon? It's disgusting and has obvious health risks.

And coffee, not only does it stain your teeth, but it inhibits the production of dopamine in your brain. And that's important.

Come now people this abuse has to end. It seems that now that we've at least made it socially unacceptable to not be tolerant in most of today's industrialized world, we have to stoop to alienating people who aren't interested in things that a group of people feel are good.

I do not alienate people for liking coffee or bacon or whatever it is that they like, so why must I be ostracized by people for not liking these things? Is my argument not valid? Is it not the one that in fact has scientific basis and is not held up by the loose assertion that 'it is just the best thing ever.'

And in case you are wondering, I have actually lost friends over this. There is a group of people who actually yell loudly about how magnificent coffee and bacon are whenever I enter a room.

So escapists, I ask you this:
Have you ever been the one to attack another for not liking 'awesome' thing x?
What other things have you found induce such irrational behavior in your fellow humans?
Have you ever been the victim of such abuse?
And do you, like me, believe people should totally chill out about such things?

And yes, I am aware that many people will be urged to childishly quote me and write how bacon/coffee is amazing, regardless of the facts, even just to 'kid' with me, so I would like to formally request, anyone who wishes to preform the above atrocity, please take a good introspective look at your life and whether you would like to be known as the one who sided with the cults of bacon/coffee. And if you find that you still want to, I suggest you buy a lifetime supply of the item and concentrate on it and not this thread.

And also, I dislike intensely every single Call of Duty game. I do not like the whole realistic shooter thing. I believe the point of video games, literature and art in general to be the ability to escape the realm where the laws of the universe apply.


Edit: OK I understand, hate is a strong word. My hatred began only as dislike, but I was bashed so much for this it polarized into what I call, very casually, hatred. Still, I try to use the word sparingly and hope its casual use on this post has not seriously offended anyone.
Also! I never attempted to drill into anyone's head that they shouldn't eat/drink bacon/coffee!
I simply tell people that one of the reasons for my dislike/hate/whatever you want to call it stems from the negative values toward your health from the products.

Edit(2):Ok, I get it. Hate is a strong word. I will cease using it. Now, how about we move on to the issue at hand and disregard my word choice.
Let me rephrase the issue: Why is no one allowed to disagree with popular opinion anymore?

Actually, that's simple, we aren't allowed to because people love having their opinions fed to them, and what doesn't "conform" is taken down. Like the gay/bi haters, only even less complex, since gay/bi haters are often based on religion etc.

Just ignore the dumbasses and move on, you don't need them anyways.

PS: you're not alone, we don't have decent bacon here (Fr), so I can't say much about it, but I do hate coffee, even the smell disgusts me.

Thank you for your input, I believe what you said is definitely a highly contributing factor to the topic. Also, I love French culture (even more after hearing about the bacon thing) I took French throughout all of high school (though that helped more to inspire admiration of the French than to actually help me learn the language) and it is one of the places I am considering moving to after college.

I'd advise against that, it's a soon to be dicature in here. If ya wanna discuss some stuff concerning the french culture, I'm here.

 

[Baneat]

And coffee, not only does it stain your teeth, but it inhibits the production of dopamine in your brain. And that's important.

Can you cite this? the stain thing's... eh, but the dope part sounds interesting. Don't really need dopamine for anything to be honest, but would still be interesting to read a medical report on it.

About the dopamine: http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/caff.html

Sorry I don't have a citation for the stains. I figured it was common knowledge and did not require such.

Disclaimer: coffee only produces said effects under habitual use, which I would say is pretty common at least in America.

Well, common sense aint worth jack for it, but I was just saying, I truly don't care about that, just wanted some source on the dope.

Gonna read and get back to you.

PS Neuroscience for Kids, oh, you!

Sorry, that was the wrong link. This one is better: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-caffeine-dependency.htm

This one focuses on the affect of caffeine on adenosine, though it does mention dopamine.

The thing is.. I'm not entirely convinced by the article, it seems to draw up facts from no real basis, no statistics or anything of such. The "white coat, listen to me" thing made me laugh, though.

I'd have thought that dopamine, one of the primary "happy" thingies, would at least be mentioned in the section on depression, but it wasn't even hinted at.

I'm still not convinced this link exists, or is even existant to the point it could ever be a problem. Got anything a little more substantial? sorry to go so far off topic, it's just quite interesting.

 

[TAGM]

"Why is no one allowed to disagree with popular opinion anymore?" The answer's in that word, third from the end - Popular. (Last time I checked, the liking of Bacon and Coffee wasn't exacaly Popular, but hey, we'll roll with it.) The fact is, back when Humans were evolving, the general thought was "Hey, my tribe is doing this, so why don't I?" Any kind of non-social thinking generaly lead to said thinker being eaten by a tiger or squached by a mamoth or something, so we've evolved to be able to conform.
Course, now that tigers aren't a threat, the ability to conform isn't quite as useful as it was - but the general need is. Remember, people in caveman times could seriously gepadise lives with anti-social thinking, so we generaly evolved to be programed to say "Cut that shit out, man."
So yeah, bottom line, it's partly down to Evolution, partly down to social norms, partly down to the fact that even if you don't mean to be forcing your view down people's neck, it can still seem like it, and partly down to the fact that people can be dicks sometimes. It's... a confusing topic, to be sure.

 

[Ethylene Glycol]

I feel the need to post this
http://xkcd.com/418/
And yes I've been looked at as some crazed lunatic for actually hating the Beatles by many of my friends and straight yelled at that I'm wrong by people who are not my friends.

YES! The Beatles are bloody awful in my opinion and people need to stop saying that they invented rock. What they did in rock was farther from what rockers have done in the forty years since them then even Elvis. Come now people, see the truth.

Not even that people try to argue that they are better musicians than any of the members in The Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin when that is just straight up WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Precisely my point!!
The only innovative thing they did at all was be the first to put random noises in the background of their music. And that went out of style after the eighties!

Sir I think I found someone I can actually talk too! Though bacon and coffee would not be in any of our conversations because I love them so much even though I know they're killing me.


P.S.Fuck John Lennon.

I can agree with you guys here. Some of the later stuff they did was ok but nothing great. I've always thought The Beatles were one of the most overrated bands.

> The Beatles are overrated
> Led Zeppelin isn't

what

Exactly!!!! Thank you all for agreeing with me on this.

No, I'm saying you're a fucking moron. I guess I was just a little too subtle for you.

The only "innovation" Led Zeppelin brought to rock music was writing shitty, long-winded, repetitive wankfests about elf cities and vikings sung by a guy who'd go on to inspire countless legions of castrated males to start their own metal bands. They're the single most overrated rock band on the planet, and the only reason no other mainstream band before or since has sounded like them is that they're completely fucking awful. At least the Beatles could sing in tune.

Well then, your opinion is one I disagree with but I must mention that I never once have directly insulted a person on this thread, only the views of a general mass of people. Also I have not yet broken and sworn.

> not swearing makes me superior

Hahaha, oh wow.
Look, kid, pad your ego with whatever helps you sleep, I'll just be sitting back and laughing at you for it. And listening to music sung by people who can actually sing.

 

[Orekoya]

Is it not the one that in fact has scientific basis and is not held up by the loose assertion that 'it is just the best thing ever.'

Scientific basis? Truthfully, that may well be the silliest reason to have such a personal preference be swayed.

You know scientists have also proven that sleeping and waking up increases your chances at heart attacks because of the sudden change it puts on your heart rate can cause small interruptions of blood supply that can accumulate over time. Do you also not sleep?

 

[Caspertjuhh]

I dont think we are not allowed to hate, I can hate things, and I have not been lynched.....yet

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

Hatred is itself an attractive force - we cherish our hatreds, and keep them close to heart so we can hate them all the more; in a way, hatreds define us, because they are the things we dislike enough to take action about. Which is why you will rarely find me using the term, as it is almost never appropriate. No, I go in for much more descriptive terms - detest (to dislike intensely, treat with contempt), revulsion (intense aversion, a sudden violent feeling of disgust), and loathe (abhor, find repugnant, hatred coupled with disgust) are all dependable standbys which do a far better job of illustrating just how much some things repulse me, infuriate my very core, or actively provoke extreme adversarial reactions from me by virtue of their existence alone.