How could the Escapist draw for traffic to the forums?

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Padwolf said:


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Where've you been? :D

BloatedGuppy said:
Weeeeelll, yeah, I suppose that's fair. I get that to an extent when I see the little gold envelope (such a happy, sunny colour! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxbSN27v0H0&t=6]), but I think it's gone too far. Things like sarcasm and meanness for its own sake shouldn't attract admiration.

It'd be nice to have notifications for whenever anyone at all posts in your thread. The staff just brought a new dev. aboard, so with the workload being spread out a bit more we'll hopefully see things being brought up to date faster and more neat features added. Uniting multiple sites is a lengthy and weighty task.

Fallow said:
But it's also a big problem. Reddit has already shown how easy communities can go insular by upvoting. It hyperstimulates virtue signalling, and I don't think we need more SJW behaviour around here.
Trying to reduce people to buzzwords like that is contributing to the problem that has resulted in this situation.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Fallow said:
But it's also a big problem. Reddit has already shown how easy communities can go insular by upvoting. It hyperstimulates virtue signalling, and I don't think we need more SJW behaviour around here.
The last thing we'd want around here is a bunch of insular, dogmatic micro-communities long on ideology and short on civility. That would be TERRIBLE.
Exactly, and looking at Reddit, that is what you get. I agree that it can be tedious to sort through a long thread (just imagine going through the original GG thread), but at least it means you form your own opinion without any majority influencing you, or indicating what you need to write in order to be popular.

The micro-communities here get no additional influence in forming opinion, and say what you will, they do interact a hell of a lot more than on Reddit.

The civility thing is a work in progress no doubt, and I think that cracking down on PA would help a lot with it. The best mindset for a poster in my mind is one that writes clearly and plainly (on the nose as some would say) rather than with snark.
 

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- Connect the Arcade with the Forum, allow the community to develop it's own HTML5 games (not Adobe Flash). Could be a perk of payed membership.


- Also maybe discard with "groups", what is the point in them? Other then for tribal warfare, and taking discussion away from the forum.
 

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Guilion said:
Maybe organizing some game tournaments?

I think playing together would get rid of some of the resentment that some users here hold for each other.


Fallow said:
That sounds like a really good idea. Something jump in jump, yes? A running FPS server of some kind would be great. Or any game on Steam where you can pick the group that plays so we could have an Escapist group that only plays against one another all the time.

EDIT: If there's a way to do that stuff with WH40K Space Marine that would be absolutely perfect.
I would point out that online play is not entirely free of drama. I have been in senior positions on teams that have run servers and played far too many hours of online fps. I'm not entirely sure that staff could police all the additional potential causes of drama on top of running the site.
 

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Well, we could invite Bob and Jim back and let the arguments and bile flow freely. Or do you want positive improvement?

Yeah, traffic on most forums come from disagreement and controversy rather than 1000 posts of everyone going "yes that game is awesome." This isn't bad when you can debate and argue in good faith, but over time that ability can get lost, and it can come from both sides. Here it seemed to be GGers posting about every wrong decision and sneeze from someone with progressive politics, and the other side having little to contribute but posts dismissive to any posters suggesting that "SJWs" might have overstepped their bounds.

And in that environment, no one wants to talk because they're afraid of getting dogpiled, or like many of us, we learn what will just start a fight with someone we don't want to fight with and delete the post we started. Good controversial news (or the odd decent question) can get us to de-lurk, but that's getting rarer for me.
 

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Bitter_Angel said:
This place actually seems pretty active, what's the issue?
It's not as active as before and activity in forums is in somewhat of a decline in general.
 

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Guilion said:
Maybe organizing some game tournaments?

I think playing together would get rid of some of the resentment that some users here hold for each other.
Obviously we should all play Dark Souls 1 PVP with each other, what could possibly go wrong? Ok ok, joking aside perhaps an open user group that let's people post invites to games? I know TF2's server addresses can work well for that.
 

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vallorn said:
Guilion said:
Maybe organizing some game tournaments?

I think playing together would get rid of some of the resentment that some users here hold for each other.
Obviously we should all play Dark Souls 1 PVP with each other, what could possibly go wrong? Ok ok, joking aside perhaps an open user group that let's people post invites to games? I know TF2's server addresses can work well for that.

OT: There's nothing to do about it, but the Escapist should maintain it's identity. If it just starts trying to be Reddit, why would anyone come here when they could go to Reddit?
 

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Barbas said:
Sure: be the change you want to see. Apart from Taco with his faux news articles and Frappe with his quizzes, and the efforts of the avatar smiths, not many people around here seem to go out of their way to make the forums a much nicer place to be. Complaining is easy, but when you sink to a level at which unproductive moaning takes up most of your time, you are actively making the environment just that little bit more miserable for those around you. You can pitch articles to the site, you can submit quizzes, you can have all kinds of fun.

This rose-tinted view of the past is going to accomplish little besides holding any possible progress back. Stop comparing what you have now to what you used to have, because it's gone. That ship sailed, you had some fun, people came and went, life goes on. Stop wasting your time and wearing out your hands arguing about the same things you have been for the past several years. We get it, they're important to you. Just don't let them be what defines you, because that makes you a boring and one-dimensional person. Stop being so haughty and insular, emerge from your clique. Plenty of people join this site just to post in that thread about finding old games, and they must stick around at least long enough to see if they got a response, so you could do a lot worse than going and having a friendly chat with some of them.
Yeah. That's a pretty good shout. Kinda makes me feel a bit silly for my post which is basically the exact sort of moaning described. I mean with a lot of the real toxic shit shut off in its own corner, we can work to improve things as a community. I mean we probably won't ever get back to the numbers that we used to get oh way back when, but we can at least make what we have now work.
 

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For me it's the moderation that gets me with this site, I honestly don't understand it ... even when they reworded them to be clear, it's still as clear as ditch water. I've had a person indirectly call me all sorts 'cos I have a tribal tattoo but I make a sarcastic comment and I'm being rude.

Even if you read the CoC it says "Low Content Posts.This could be anything from simply answering a question, posting LOL, "agreed," "this," +1, or even a joking quip." I see so many "joking quips" with no more text but no modwrath falls upon them.

I read some of these "got a warning for this post" and wonder why they got wrath ... If I saw this kind of moderating as a nooby, I would be bewildered.

As for the content, I watch Yahtzee ... used to watch Lisa Foiles, unskippable got old and Extra credits, I find the rest just don't appeal to me.
 

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Barbas said:
It'd be nice to have notifications for whenever anyone at all posts in your thread. The staff just brought a new dev. aboard, so with the workload being spread out a bit more we'll hopefully see things being brought up to date faster and more neat features added. Uniting multiple sites is a lengthy and weighty task.
Uniting multiple sites? How far removed is the dev team from this actual website? Implementing a subscription option for threads should be an easy and quick thing to set up, especially because the escapist already has a notification system.


BloatedGuppy said:
This is a huge part of the reason why people USE forums, though...as an ego boost. We want to share our opinions and feel like we're being heard. The entire reason why I ever settled here in the first place was the forum would alert me when someone replied to one of my posts. It was a feature other forums did not have at the time. A simple "like" on a post can be positive feedback. It leaves someone feeling like the effort they spent typing it out wasn't wasted. I'm not sure I would suggest Reddit's system of up/down voting and hiding disliked posts, particularly not with the climate the way it is here, but only upvotes? Seems a harmless system. No one likes to feel like they're shouting into a void, and the less populous the forums become the more that becomes a potential problem.

As it stands, these forums seemed quite ahead of their time when I joined, and are now feeling rather dated. They could just use an overhaul.
Quite a good point. There is little less interesting than a thread of people only voicing their opinions rather than interacting and talking with each other. It seems that lately people gravitate more to systems that allow for clearer sub-conversations, having a classic thread where people can reply directly to certain posts and have such replies grouped together, easier to find and manage sub-conversations. On the other hand, the pagination of this kind of classical forum makes it far easier to find older posts, not having to scroll down for kilometers on end and all that.
 

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omega 616 said:
For me it's the moderation that gets me with this site, I honestly don't understand it ... even when they reworded them to be clear, it's still as clear as ditch water. I've had a person indirectly call me all sorts 'cos I have a tribal tattoo but I make a sarcastic comment and I'm being rude.

Even if you read the CoC it says "Low Content Posts.This could be anything from simply answering a question, posting LOL, "agreed," "this," +1, or even a joking quip." I see so many "joking quips" with no more text but no modwrath falls upon them.

I read some of these "got a warning for this post" and wonder why they got wrath ... If I saw this kind of moderating as a nooby, I would be bewildered.
Oh man, low content! Apparently this rule is a lot broader than the CoC indicates, and can basically be used to give an infraction to anything that they decide they don't like. I recently had a thread locked for being "low content" that was 150 words long, had a custom made image, and 2 discussion sparking questions. I still haven't been able to get a straight answer how it counted as low content, even after appealing.
 

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I kinda tuned out when I saw SJW there, because every time I see someone complain about it, the complaint is some vague irritation directed at a straw-man.
Yes, but like a month ago you were talking about SJWs in the same way. Something worth keeping in mind.
Well for the sake of clarity, on these forums I don't see that could be called a SJW with a straight face. When I hear SJW my thoughts always wander to the Tumblr and Twitter types of Social Justice slacktavists who do nothing to help, but have no problem doxxing and harassing people. Sorta like the stereotypical GGers, just politically opposite. I tend to sit middle so context in relation generally means a lot. Also over that month every time I heard the term SJW it's a straw-man stereotype so it's slowly lost all meaning to me.
 

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bluegate said:
Barbas said:
It'd be nice to have notifications for whenever anyone at all posts in your thread. The staff just brought a new dev. aboard, so with the workload being spread out a bit more we'll hopefully see things being brought up to date faster and more neat features added. Uniting multiple sites is a lengthy and weighty task.
Uniting multiple sites? How far removed is the dev team from this actual website? Implementing a subscription option for threads should be an easy and quick thing to set up, especially because the escapist already has a notification system.
*Shrug* I 'unno. I think Defy Media operates this one, EveryJoe and several others, plus some shows like Men At Arms that they can freely move between around sites. They're currently keeping several different sites running in various states of functionality.
 

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I'm sure in time things will go back to normal since there has been new content coming in, and some really neat articles. I'm happy that Jim and LRR are off doing their things and succeeding, and I say that as I'm also casually watching Desert Bus. But I'm enjoying Agents of Cosplay, the new comic by Grey and Cory, 8-Bit Philosophy, and the other stuff.

Even stuff by Marter. :p

That said, it is sad that some users and content creators aren't around anymore. I kinda miss some of the older folks, but they're not around anymore. Sucks, but whatever. I had fun with them and seeing some of the old content creators do awesome things.

Memories man. Memories.

In terms of myself, I can't be fucked right now. I love this place and some of the people here are awesome, but I can't be bothered now to make any sort of consistent effort. I just stick to the user groups to just relax and chill. Maybe when I have time I'll do something about that, but until then I will just casually watch the forums and weep for sleep.
 

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They need content that people aren't going to get from anywhere else, that they want.

Forum stuff is nice, but that's just the people who are already here participating a bit more. The site needs more content, and probably more AV content. Video reviews are a good idea, and just reviews in general. I was checking the Fallout 4 review by the escapist, because I remember someone else suggesting video reviews, just in case they'd put them in. The escapist review didn't even come up in the top few search results for "Fallout 4 Escapist" or "Fallout 4 Escapist Review".

What brought me here was Yahtzee, and then I picked up Doomsday Arcade. I started watching Moviebob, Extra Credits when they came here, and the video reviews. I read the articles and think pieces. I learned the schedule of the site, and would check in for the new videos when they went up. I don't do that now, there's only really Yahtzee, and Judging by the Cover just isn't that good for a lapsed viewer like me.

The site used to have a niche in it's dedicated video player, and dedication to video content, including things like Doomsday Arcade, Doraeleous, numerous webcomics, and in depth think pieces about games, game design, play, and game culture. That's effectively gone now. What we have are articles about glitches which are more easily accessed in a format like Kotaku's, sales figures, cross-posted stuff, and summaries of articles from other sites, the most egregious of which is the Science and Tech section, which is most notable for the frequent errors and sensationalism.

Keeping their own video content on site is maybe a good idea, but the cat's out of the bag there, and you just have to look at YouTube Red, or Paid Mods to see how people respond to that sort of endeavour. They need to develop quality, on site content, that people want. I'd very much like to see more video competitions, though that day's largely past, and more stuff focussing on in depth discussion of games and gaming, like Garwulf, Critical Intel, or the old editorial content.

I don't think they're going to draw a lot more traffic. This format has peaked. Youtube has supplanted it, and sites like Kotaku have a better format for the minute to minute updates of pointless minutia. I think they should have stuck with being the intellectual gaming publication.

Forum wise, there's a lot of fighting, a lot of drama, a lot of nastiness. Don't read the mod chat, it's horrible. We can talk about getting people together all we like, but we're an international community, seperated by latency, and our own schedules, and that's just not feasible, and I doubt it would reduce emnity. Supposedly, most of us are adults or at least adolescents, so we should be capable of taking responsibility for our own actions. We can talk about the CoC till we're blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is the forums are made up of our posts. What exists here is the combined effort of everyone, for good and for bad. What we need is more interesting, worthwhile threads, but those aren't what keep people's attention (ALL OF US).
 

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At this point it'd take a pretty substantial change to the site overall to get the forum's back anywhere near as populated as they used to be. Between the obtrusive adverts that pop up all over the site and the fact that most the previous talent has moved on elsewhere The Escapist is, at least in my eyes, a shadow of its former self; barely even recognisable as the site I used to enjoy visiting so much. The amount of work it'd take to fix that is kind of huge though whereas sadly it'd only take Yahtzee moving elsewhere to basically signal the end for the entire site.

It really sucks and as much as I want to continue being hopeful it just seems less likely every day that the site's going to change for the better any time soon.