How different would the world be in the Nazis won WW2?
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Wouldn't have made a lot of difference outside of Europe (assume, just to keep things manageable, that Japan didn't go on to conquer Asia and Australia - that's a harder one to predict). In the short term, would have been terrible for jews, gays, Romas, and slavs, and Europe would have had an even more difficult time recovering economically. But the fascist system would have collapsed quickly without the promise of a 'great big enemy' and instant economic fixes to sustain it. Even by the time the war started, the fascists had lost a lot of popularity, with assassination attempts starting up.
The biggest change would be that you'd have a sustained period of communism following the demise of fascism. Under the conditions of nazi Germany, the moderate left couldn't organise, whereas the circumstances actually favoured the 'underground network' methods of the contemporaneous communist movements. Communism would have filled the hole for at least a few deacdes - hard to say whether that would have ended up going Stalinist, or whether without the threat of a cold war, you'd have seen something closer to China. Ultimately, however, the systems would revert to match the national cultures, with socialist countries in the prosperous north, a centrist England, France and Germany, and capitalist southern europe, pretty much as they are now.
The biggest change would be that you'd have a sustained period of communism following the demise of fascism. Under the conditions of nazi Germany, the moderate left couldn't organise, whereas the circumstances actually favoured the 'underground network' methods of the contemporaneous communist movements. Communism would have filled the hole for at least a few deacdes - hard to say whether that would have ended up going Stalinist, or whether without the threat of a cold war, you'd have seen something closer to China. Ultimately, however, the systems would revert to match the national cultures, with socialist countries in the prosperous north, a centrist England, France and Germany, and capitalist southern europe, pretty much as they are now.
According to Stuart Slade, military analyst and person who is employed to work out what parts of cities to use what sort of nuclear devices on, the Nazis flat out couldn't win. The US had a massive industrial base, and was nuclear capable.
Secondly, to win, they've have to not only conquer the UK and USSR, but send forces across the Atlantic to conquer the US and Canada, as well as into the Pacific to deal with Australia. They didn't have anything like that much manpower.
Therefore, for the Nazis to have won WW2, you really have to have changed the situation in WW2, and the question becomes unanswerable without alot more detail.
If the Japanese had entered the war by attacking the Soviet Union, and the US never was at war, and if a fascist movement had taken over the British government AND the attack on the USSR not turned into a meatgrinder in the cities (though the Soviets were supplied by the US), then the Nazis could have won, but that raises more questions than it answers.
Secondly, to win, they've have to not only conquer the UK and USSR, but send forces across the Atlantic to conquer the US and Canada, as well as into the Pacific to deal with Australia. They didn't have anything like that much manpower.
Therefore, for the Nazis to have won WW2, you really have to have changed the situation in WW2, and the question becomes unanswerable without alot more detail.
If the Japanese had entered the war by attacking the Soviet Union, and the US never was at war, and if a fascist movement had taken over the British government AND the attack on the USSR not turned into a meatgrinder in the cities (though the Soviets were supplied by the US), then the Nazis could have won, but that raises more questions than it answers.
Excatly the book I was thinking when read the title of the thread.matell said:
If I recall correctly, in that book the relations between the nazis and their former allies the Japanese were getting worse and worse. I imagine that would have happened and perhaps the two countries would have entered a Cold war situation and either sparked a nuclear war between each other or stayed cold until the nazi empire fell.
That period of history is not my expertise, though.
But I think it depends a lot of how the Nazis would have won. If they developed the atom bomb first, and bombed US or something they could have won but it would have ended in a full blown nuclear war or maybe Cold war eventually.
We would see massive genocide, war engulfing the planet as the nazi and the japanesse turned on each other, human rights would be decimated and whole cultures and beautiful ways of life would be eradicated or dragged away for god forsaken experiments.
on one hand we would probably develop amazing technology and hightened standards of living for those who were "acceptible" to the regeme.
on the other hand, we would soon be almost exactly like the Borg.
on one hand we would probably develop amazing technology and hightened standards of living for those who were "acceptible" to the regeme.
on the other hand, we would soon be almost exactly like the Borg.
You cannot possibly comprehend all of the potential routes for this future.
More than sixty years packed with universe altering decisions - you cannot Compute that number of alternative universes.
I can try and guess one out of infinity.
The Nazies were lead by a strong individual, but usually after the individual is lost the public has a hard time believing the goal so fiercly as they did when they had their leader. Hitler would die eventually, and no man can be equal or greater to him. Therefore, the third Reich would crumble under its own weight without a strong leader, just like the roman empire did.
More than sixty years packed with universe altering decisions - you cannot Compute that number of alternative universes.
I can try and guess one out of infinity.
The Nazies were lead by a strong individual, but usually after the individual is lost the public has a hard time believing the goal so fiercly as they did when they had their leader. Hitler would die eventually, and no man can be equal or greater to him. Therefore, the third Reich would crumble under its own weight without a strong leader, just like the roman empire did.
Ask Philip K. Dick, I guess. I don't know..If they'd successfully implemented their eugenics programme worldwide, we'd all be highly inbred. And blonde, so I guess it would be okay.
Australia, the country of freedom, the only country that hasnt been seized by Nazi control.....
1 year later: Australia controls the world and have made world peace because of a talented detective called Shaun that killed all of the nazis in a prototype nano suit and a sword....
Danm I could be a danm writter
1 year later: Australia controls the world and have made world peace because of a talented detective called Shaun that killed all of the nazis in a prototype nano suit and a sword....
Danm I could be a danm writter
The genre of Alternate Historical fiction would have to find another situation to write exclusively about.
