How do my fellow escapists feel about guns? (The real kind)

[Glerken]

I'm going to get one in a couple years when I hit 21, I'll use it for shooting ranges though I plan to carry it around if I can get a permit.

I think people should be allowed to have and carry guns.

You'll notice the deadly shootings never (nearly never? I'm not entirely sure it has literally not happened once) occur at a gun range or an NRA meeting, and many of the deadly shootings such as the recent one at Arizona could probably have suffered a lower body count if someone at the scene had a gun, and used it to stop the shooter.

People on the scene did indeed have guns.
Didn't stop anything from happening, nor should anyone expect it to.
Just because people are carrying guns doesn't mean that they're trained sharpshooters who can identify and neutralize a threat like that.

 

[Capcom4ever]

Killing machines that shouldn't be owned by civilians IMO.

I'm sorry but that could be construed as saying you saying you don't think people should own farm machinery or a baseball bat or power tools when all of these can and have been used as deadly weapon.

I see where your coming from but guns are designed to kill things, that is there origional intention and purpose. Where as farming machinery, baseball bats and power tools original purposes are not to kill things, they're designed for agriculture, sports and construction and not with the intention of harming people in mind.

Firearms are meant to move a small piece of metal from the barrel of the gun to another point very quickly. They are not necessarily designed to kill things. Self-defense handguns are actually meant to incapacitate people rather than kill them, and the laws allowing personal firearm use in the United States are also written with that intention.

And just remember: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

 

[Danpascooch]

I'm going to get one in a couple years when I hit 21, I'll use it for shooting ranges though I plan to carry it around if I can get a permit.

I think people should be allowed to have and carry guns.

You'll notice the deadly shootings never (nearly never? I'm not entirely sure it has literally not happened once) occur at a gun range or an NRA meeting, and many of the deadly shootings such as the recent one at Arizona could probably have suffered a lower body count if someone at the scene had a gun, and used it to stop the shooter.

You're grasping at straws. Compare the percentage of gun related violence in the United States to countries were you can only have guns for sport. I don't think it's coincidence that the United States has such a high percentage of gun related violence. However, I think guns becoming illegal in the US, at this current time, would be a bad idea. The guns are already out there and criminals have such easy access to them. I believe taking them away now would leave many Americas without protection. But if anybody thinks guns should be legalized in a country like Canada, they need to smacked upside the head.

Wait, how am I grasping at straws? You just agreed with me with the second half of your post.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

On a societal level, it would be nice if nobody had guns.

On a personal level, there is absolutely nothing I can do to remove guns from the entire American populace (there is nothing ANYONE can do for that matter), so I'm sure as hell going to get one to defend myself.

 

[Danpascooch]

I'm going to get one in a couple years when I hit 21, I'll use it for shooting ranges though I plan to carry it around if I can get a permit.

I think people should be allowed to have and carry guns.

You'll notice the deadly shootings never (nearly never? I'm not entirely sure it has literally not happened once) occur at a gun range or an NRA meeting, and many of the deadly shootings such as the recent one at Arizona could probably have suffered a lower body count if someone at the scene had a gun, and used it to stop the shooter.

People on the scene did indeed have guns.
Didn't stop anything from happening, nor should anyone expect it to.
Just because people are carrying guns doesn't mean that they're trained sharpshooters who can identify and neutralize a threat like that.

No, but having a gun sure as hell gives you a higher chance of being able to neutralize it then not having one does.

 

[Levi93]

I see where your coming from but guns are designed to kill things, that is there origional intention and purpose. Where as farming machinery, baseball bats and power tools original purposes are not to kill things, they're designed for agriculture, sports and construction and not with the intention of harming people in mind.

Firearms are meant to move a small piece of metal from the barrel of the gun to another point very quickly. They are not necessarily designed to kill things. Self-defense handguns are actually meant to incapacitate people rather than kill them, and the laws allowing personal firearm use in the United States are also written with that intention.

And just remember: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Ok the last statement is extremely debateable. "guns don't kill people, people kill people" so I really hope you're not being serious, I mean the countries with the lowest crime rates are those where access to guns are restricted, and suppose that person that a person intends to kill a person didn't have access to a gun, it would make their options of killing the person a lot more limited.

Just because a gun isn't designed to kill people doesn't mean it won't. I mean I've been told that it's better to just kill the person instead of wound them so it doesn't complicate things in court cases.

Oh and I've said this before and I'll say it again, until you can prove guns solve more problems than they cause, I won't change my point of view

 

[Capcom4ever]

I see where your coming from but guns are designed to kill things, that is there origional intention and purpose. Where as farming machinery, baseball bats and power tools original purposes are not to kill things, they're designed for agriculture, sports and construction and not with the intention of harming people in mind.

Firearms are meant to move a small piece of metal from the barrel of the gun to another point very quickly. They are not necessarily designed to kill things. Self-defense handguns are actually meant to incapacitate people rather than kill them, and the laws allowing personal firearm use in the United States are also written with that intention.

And just remember: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Ok the last statement is extremely debateable. "guns don't kill people, people kill people" so I really hope you're not being serious, I mean the countries with the lowest crime rates are those where access to guns are restricted, and suppose that person that a person intends to kill a person didn't have access to a gun, it would make their options of killing the person a lot more limited.

Just because a gun isn't designed to kill people doesn't mean it won't. I mean I've been told that it's better to just kill the person instead of wound them so it doesn't complicate things in court cases.


Oh and I've said this before and I'll say it again, until you can prove guns solve more problems than they cause, I won't change my point of view

How debate-able is that? We can sit at a table all day staring at a loaded handgun but the minute it gets up and kills someone would be the most surprising moment of my life. Even if people's options of owning legal firearms is restricted, that says absolutely nothing about their use of other tools and/or illegal firearms, which cannot be restricted.

Also, whoever told you to just kill people in self-defense must not have any familiarity with the firearm laws in the United States, because everyone I have talked to in order to learn the laws has told me to shoot for the center of mass and then call the police. A headshot in self-defense is as good as a murder charge, and anywhere else you can be tried for mutilation or some such.

Furthermore, "Even if a gun isn't designed to kill people doesn't mean it can't" sounds like an argument for the other side. I mean, if there were no guns that sentence becomes: "Even if a [blank] isn't designed to kill people doesn't mean it can't."

Lastly, If I could resolutely prove that guns solve more problems than they cause, then no one would ever be having this argument in the first place. In fact, I could write a book and make millions of dollars. Unfortunately, I can only try to prove it, and some people just cannot accept this argument.

Phew. Long post. Too much effort expended. This is always kinda a fun argument though.

 

[Capcom4ever]

I'm all for illegal gun control. Since many gun crimes are convicted with unregistered, smuggled, or stolen weapons, I feel that the penalties should be increased for dealing in or possessing these illegal guns.

Herp derp. Isn't that, by definition, impossible? Or at least, the possession part?

 

[Ouroboros0977]

Don't use them on people, preferably not on animals if possible. Zombies are fair game though...

 

[The Long Road]

Here's the thing: a vast majority of the population in all developed countries own something waaaaay more lethal than a firearm - they own a car. Everyone's trained in how to use them; it's a breeze to pick up. I can do way more damage in way less time by driving a Camry down a crowded sidewalk in Chicago than I could ever do with a firearm. All a psycho needs to do to inflict mass casualties is open his garage. Are there any groups out there trying to restrict access to cars or install iron posts between streets and sidewalks? No. Nobody's afraid of that, yet you're just as powerless to stop a maniac with a car as one with a Glock.

Here's something far more frightening: an 18-year-old with a working knowledge of chemistry can distill chlorine gas out of VERY common chemical mixes. If the resulting Cl-Air mix is cooled below -27F, the chlorine condenses into liquid. Dry ice can do that. In the US at least, you need to be 18 to purchase dry ice. Store the newly distilled chlorine gas in a paintball CO2 container and bam - chlorine bomb. Is anyone losing sleep over malcontent high school chem students? No, but the destructive potential is far higher.

The point I'm trying to make is this: A fear of firearms is an irrational reaction to something that is perceived as life-threatening. The potential for mass murder is far greater from things that are not guns. The only people who would use firearms for illegal purposes have two advantages over the law-abiding citizen. The first is that they are already committed to destruction, and could do much more damage with other items-turned-weapons. The fear factor of guns gives them a psychological edge they use to enforce their own sense of power. The second is that there is a thriving black market of firearms from all around the world that even a total border lockdown will not stop. Gun control laws conveniently forget that.

Basically, anyone who wants to kill can either get firearms illegally or do more damage with something else. Guns are an effective tool en masse or when a specific target needs to be eliminated, both of which are military situations. Other than that, there's almost always something better for the job.

 

[AK47Marine]

I carry a pistol, I own several rifles including a "scary" AK-47

I'd like to take the time to apply gun control logic to something else though so bear with me.

Cars kill tens of thousands of people in the United States alone every year, far more so then firearms or all types of murders, lawful defensive shootings, etc put together, yet any one can buy a car. Why do we let these weapons of mass destruction go so readily available to all the citizens? Your car is much more likely to kill someone then my guns, you car owners are a menace to society. It's our responsibility to society to make sure people can't own cars with out very, very specific licensing procedures, extensive background checks and other methods of control.

In the time I've carried a pistol, I've had to draw it defensively once, shockingly the thug dropped the knife and hauled ass. (still have the knife ) in all my years of driving I've been run off the road three times, t-boned once and almost been merged in to more times then I can count, never mind the other life threatening situations other drivers have put me in to. I can only conclude it's safer for me to walk well away from road ways and carry a gun then to drive any where.

WE MUST END THE VEHICULAR MENACE!

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Edit: damn kinda got ninja'd on the whole car thing lol

 

[Danpascooch]

I'm going to get one in a couple years when I hit 21, I'll use it for shooting ranges though I plan to carry it around if I can get a permit.

I think people should be allowed to have and carry guns.

You'll notice the deadly shootings never (nearly never? I'm not entirely sure it has literally not happened once) occur at a gun range or an NRA meeting, and many of the deadly shootings such as the recent one at Arizona could probably have suffered a lower body count if someone at the scene had a gun, and used it to stop the shooter.

You're grasping at straws. Compare the percentage of gun related violence in the United States to countries were you can only have guns for sport. I don't think it's coincidence that the United States has such a high percentage of gun related violence. However, I think guns becoming illegal in the US, at this current time, would be a bad idea. The guns are already out there and criminals have such easy access to them. I believe taking them away now would leave many Americas without protection. But if anybody thinks guns should be legalized in a country like Canada, they need to smacked upside the head.

Wait, how am I grasping at straws? You just agreed with me with the second half of your post.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

On a societal level, it would be nice if nobody had guns.

On a personal level, there is absolutely nothing I can do to remove guns from the entire American populace (there is nothing ANYONE can do for that matter), so I'm sure as hell going to get one to defend myself.

Ignore the first part. I fucked it up since I went back to change some stuff in my post. The "grasping at straws" part was under the assumption that guns should be legalized everywhere, so it's out of context.

I have one question for you though. In theory, do you believe that the US would have a lower rate of gun related deaths if guns in the US had been restricted to sport from the start? When you give me your answer, keep in mind that criminals will always get guns, despite any law.

I gotta be honest, I really don't know. Maybe, maybe not, I don't feel like I have enough information to speculate on that, less gun related accidents would happen, but on the other hand better armed criminals would feel more confident knowing that their victims are much less likely to have as effective a weapon as they do. Which of those factors would result in more deaths? I really can't say, I have no idea. I'm not an expert on the topic by any means.

What I do feel confident saying is that, given the current situation in the US, trying to increase gun control at this point just helps the criminals be better armed.

 

[theevilsanta]

People are so anti. Guns are bad when criminals have them. Beyond that it's like people getting uppity about eating granola bars or something.

 

[Plurralbles]

I don't care how much a law abiding citizen has.


They can have a freakin' armory as long as it's secure.

I love guns.

If a billionaire wants a fighter jet and bomb some hills... Go for it man.

I hate how teh media used to, or still, tries to claim anything with a stock an da clip is an automatic. Fuck them.

I also hate how somone can say, "get rid of extended magazines" For fuck's sack you can make them yourself! It's not devastatingly hard.

IF someone wanted to, they could just create a bomb that would at least blast a large group of peoples' ear drums leading to permanent deafness. I'd love you to ban guns and watch high schools getting blown apart or burned down, police shot by criminals' illegal arms and not being as familiar with the ways to combat them as they are now, and all theother negative effects of banning the gun. And besides, how amI supposed to get lobbyist money when the NRA is gone? Big Oil? the NRA is more fun.

 

[Ashcrexl]

i love guns, but without zombies to shoot, i kind of feel like owning one is a waste.

 

[steph01a]

I believe in gun control. You should always know where the bullet will strike before squeezing the trigger.

 

[guntotingtomcat]

Was in army cadets. Guns get really dull once you've cleaned them one million times. And when you walk with them they just become frustrating weights.

As for the gun law, there are so many more reasons for NOT having them than there are for having them.
Why is there so much gun crime in America? Because you all have revolvers in your glove compartment 'just in case'!

If you must own guns, I think you should have to go through training first.

OR

Only allow muskets.