How do you feel about circumcision?

[Bara_no_Hime]

This is what you got wrong, above. You seem to not understand what is actually done in the procedure and what is actually effected to liken it to a simple tattoo or piercing.

**facepalm** Of course I know what it is. It is minor cosmetic surgery.

And on the comparison of rape and circumcision, you said it did matter. That was my entire point of that comparison.

Actually, I said that rape matters and that circumcision does NOT matter. And I gave a scientific explanation as to why. The infant cannot be affected by the experience - an adult can be. I don't know how you construed any form of agreement from that.

Well, I did agree with you that rape is bad, even if the victim is unconscious. But that's the only thing we've agreed upon. In fact, I used that example to demonstrate why you were incorrect - long term memory formation.

As far as my "false" cultural notions - which I find rather ironic coming from an American - just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them false.

 

[reecenolan]

I have had it done since I was 5 and really doesn't matter what difference it makes, I see alot of people posting about how it should be illegal, I see where you are coming from but it sometimes has to be done as a necessisity rather than choice, for me it wasn't really my parents decision it was rather the doctors. Ive also heard that it decreases sexual stimulation for the male and female but I haven't any complaints so its not really a big deal.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Female genital mutilation is done to remove a woman's ability to feel sexual pleasure - it isn't merely decorative. The male version would be smashing the testicles to create a eunuch.

How is slicing off part of the nerve system and exposing the rest to get numb, and doing so at an age where the child is unable to make the decision himself or defend himself? You're mutilating the child's genitalia to reduce sexual pleasure for religious reasons. There is no difference.

Male circumcision increases sexual sensation. Or so I've been told by men who've been circumcised.

Also, who said anything about religion? I'm having any male children I have circumcised for the benefit of their future sexual partners.

 

[lettucethesallad]

...your mom thought genital mutilation was appropriate for the sake of having a 'better looking penis'? And to all these "It's healthier!" people - isn't it just easier to teach our children to wear condoms when having sex instead of cutting off parts of the body?

Whatever an adult does with their body is their business. Adding things, removing things - whatever floats your boat. But when doing it to an infant where there isn't an immediate health risk is in my opinion not something that should be done.

Having slept with both sides of the coin I'd probably say that I like uncircumcised better. The one guy with a circumcision had the stamina of a bunny, and I ended up sore and bored.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Foreskin is useless. It serves no practical purpose - it has no effect on sexual stimulation or pleasure.

No foreskin itself has no effect, but it is directly connected to the most sensitive part of the penis and the removal procedure mutilates that area, and that would be like tampering with the clitoris.

Removal or piercing anything but the earlobe would cause permanent, awful damage to a person. It is NOT the same. It is an extreme exaggeration. None of those locations are just skin.

So tampering with anything outside the socially exceptable norm is extreme exaggeration... funny how that works isn't it.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

You know what - never mind.

I'm out guys. I came here to stop horrible and inaccurate comparisons to rape and female genital mutliation - that's all. If you think it's the same, you're a misogynistic pig who has no concept of the kind of damage that does to a woman.

Beyond that, I don't much care. You can argue all you want - but not with me. Any replies to this thread I receive will be deleted unread.

Have yourselves a nice evening.

 

[Floppertje]

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how is an infant not affected by the experience? 1. he's missing part of his wiener 2. as an adult, I'm pretty sure he'll know someone chopped it off at some point. that would make ME feel rather violated...

also, you said circumcision doesn't matter. so why do it at all?
most of the 'medical reasons' really just revolve around hygiene which can be fixed just as well by, say... WASHING THE DAMN THING!
seriously, it's not that difficult. also, it being safer for female sex partners (which I kinda doubt) is also a non-issue since no self-respecting woman is going to have sex with a guy who doesn't keep his dong clean.
EDIT: also, ask yourself what you'd do if someone were to suggest cutting part of your penis off. I'd say circumcision isn't extinct yet because infants don't know what's going on yet and haven't learned how to throw decent punches.

 

[archaicmalevolence]

Female genital mutilation is done to remove a woman's ability to feel sexual pleasure - it isn't merely decorative. The male version would be smashing the testicles to create a eunuch.

How is slicing off part of the nerve system and exposing the rest to get numb, and doing so at an age where the child is unable to make the decision himself or defend himself? You're mutilating the child's genitalia to reduce sexual pleasure for religious reasons. There is no difference.

Male circumcision increases sexual sensation. Or so I've been told by men who've been circumcised.

Also, who said anything about religion? I'm having any male children I have circumcised for the benefit of their future sexual partners.

How would someone who is circumcised know it is sexually better, unless they actually tested it themselves. Mileage may vary from person to person, so it may for some. In my opinion unless it needs to be done i'd rather have it the choice of the person and not the parents as it isn't there body that is being operated on.
Hell i'd hate to get circumcised, it's just the thought of an operation there that's my opinion. Then there are sometimes the mental affect it may have when the child is older, them felling different to others, and even ashamed. Though i would presume this is unlikely.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

Foreskin creeps me out. I see it in the occasional porn and I'm all, "Aliens?!?!".

Also, I don't remember it being done to me as a baby, therefore, it didn't hurt. I'm all for 'em, until we get the baby communications technology purring well enough to ask them which they'd like.

 

[Tontomanzz]

I didn't use extremes, just pointing out that circumcision applied to other areas suddenly doesn't make sense.
If cutting skin off a baby is ok why then limit it to penises, if it's really ok we should do as we please.

And to what extent would you really thank your parents for piercings, the entire ear, nose, lips, nipples, clit,... where is the limit? Is there any limit?

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Foreskin is useless. It serves no practical purpose - it has no effect on sexual stimulation or pleasure
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Not at all a known fact as there's lots of different papers on the topic. There's even a foreskin restoration procedure (for various reasons). But hey, everyones a doctor around here and loves throwing around facts without even taking a second to look it up.

 

[photog212]

1. whether or not it decreases stimulation during intercourse cannot be proven. You would have to poll people pre-circumcision THEN post-circumcision to compare the difference. Since, this can't be done no conclusive result can be attained.

2. Studies have shown that circumcision can reduce infectious disease. However, this usually only applies to the third world.

3. Female circumcision is a barbaric activity usually performed on fully conscious teen girls with anything from a knife, to glass, to even a sharp rock. It usually ends in mutilation and disfigurement. (so help me God do not say male circumcision is mutilation or disfigurement, I can send you photos of what happens during female circumcision if it will make you see the difference and shut you up)

4. Circumcision is typically based upon religious or cultural tradition, if it is done by a medical professional (or trained Mohel) and the parents both agree to it, I see no problem with it.

 

[NoeL]

It's the non-consensual genital mutilation of minors for no justifiable reason. It should be just as illegal as female genital mutilation and only offered as an elective surgery for adults. I think it's disgusting, and I have the utmost contempt for people that choose to do it to their children for religious or cosmetic reasons.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Spoiler: Good Videos on the Subject

I personally find it idiotic that Circumcision; a procedure that has barely any points in either the positive or negative, to Female Genital Mutilation. I am personally circumcised and I honestly doubt any thing would be different if I weren't.

 

[Tiger Sora]

Ya this sums it up. I ain't lettin' no one chop the end of my member off. So lets get the &%@( outa here.

 

[gruggins]

what I find strange is that most of the pro circumcisum people here at the time of posting were FEMALE

another thing i find odd is that female genital mutilation is a violation of human rights while circumcision (which is effectively the same thing.) is a-okay.

 

[Kodachi]

Being of the penis-less (and female) condition, I don't know if I deserve an equal opinion on the subject. If I have sons, I don't think I'll personally have them circumsised unless their father feels strongly about it because I don't see the point. Does it honestly make a difference either way to anyone's adult life?

If by adult, you mean sex life then yea. Unfortunately many women (and men, for that matter) see it as a "deal-breaker" that can end a romantic encounter instantly. Also kudos for being one of the few posts I've seen that didn't try a start a fight.

Honestly though, maybe it's cause I'm heterosexual but I seriously don't understand why a circumcised penis is "hot" and "sexy" while an uncircumcised one is "weird" and "disgusting". Perhaps being able to witness the entire head of the penis is akin to being able to see as much of the vagina in terms of sexual stimulation, though that never really was a personal turn on either plus it doesn't explain why the vulva is still considered sexy (which I believe may be a better female counter part to the foreskin than the clitoris). I'm seriously flummoxed here =.=

Oh well, back to my single hood, forever perplexed by human relationships.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

what I find strange is that the only real pro-circumcision person here (Bara_no_Hime) is FEMALE

another thing i find odd is that female genital mutilation is a violation of human rights while circumcision (which is effectively the same thing.) is a-okay.

I'm pro-circumcision. And I've had one. So, yeah.

 

[photog212]

Its religious because it was primarily religious in nature. As I said above, this is basic history. I brought up sources, videos, and even history. Where is your evidence to back up your claims?

It actually predates most of the Abrahamic traditions but they popularized it. And it was more about being different than preventing adultery or masturbation. Kind of to prevent women from sleeping with (and bearing children of) men of a different tribe.

 

[EtherealBeaver]

Nevermind, misread the post