How do you feel about the arts(not liberal arts) in college?

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Saucycarpdog

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Again, I'm not talking about the liberal arts here. I'm talking stuff like writing, music, acting, fashion, culinary, ect. A lot of talk has been about the liberal arts, but that ecompases so many courses so I wanted to focus on something a little more specific. You know, to spice it up.

So, what do you guys think of these courses? I know a lot of people go into them but are they useful in the real world?
 

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The actual utility of what you learn during a course is fairly low for a lot of people. Many jobs, (like as a bank manager, say) will have a requirement that you have a degree but will not specify any particular subject. It's not what you learned their after, it's just a good way to guarantee that the applicants will be relatively smart and have certain narrow skillsets (like the ability to learn comprehensive info in specialist areas).

That said if you do want to end up in a specific career relevant to whatever you're studying, then it helps train you up by giving you skills/knowledge relevant to what you want which is also something that is recognised in job applications too.

All that is of course just related to getting a job. We shouldn't forget that education is good in and of itself as a way of improving and enriching yourself.

Basically yeah, they're useful. Maybe not always especially useful for everyone if you're not looking to get a job in that particular industry, but better than a kick in the teeth.
 

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Saucycarpdog said:
Again, I'm not talking about the liberal arts here. I'm talking stuff like writing, music, acting, fashion, culinary, etc. A lot of talk has been about the liberal arts, but that encompases so many courses so I wanted to focus on something a little more specific. You know, to spice it up.
Music, acting, painting, etc are all "Fine Arts", I'm not sure if fashion, or culinary fall under that category.

So, what do you guys think of these courses? I know a lot of people go into them but are they useful in the real world?
What do you mean by useful in the "real" world? Do you mean, "will these courses get me a job"? Well that's a huge topic, this is by no means a small amount of degrees. I know people who got out of college with a graphic design degree and got a six-figure paycheck making powerpoints. (Not to mention how a culinary degree is a trade, not a higher education degree)
 

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I... Don't care? I dunno, they fill a certain need for education and training in such fields. Being a Computer Science major, I never really had much of a need for those fields, but I don't think that a person getting such a degree is stupid, if that is what they want to learn about.
 

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Well. It depends, on one hand we need arts so it is useful but the problem is there are too many people trying to get into arts. Which results in society being flooded with poor pseudo-art and unemployed pseudo-artists.
 

CogDiss

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Contrary to popular belief you can make more money than expected with art skills. My cousin dropped out of college and does his own video editing and makes way more money than me. Another college friend works as a tattoo artist she can make 60$ in 30 minutes by doing a 2 inch by 2 inch tattoo. 60$ takes me hours of hard manual labor to earn.

Truth.
 

Lilani

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I think there are still quite a few people who see the arts as useless. Perhaps I'm a bit biased because I'm a computer animation major, but art degrees are required in more "legitimate" fields than you'd expect. Graphic design being a huge one--those people who design posters, logos, ads, magazine layouts, newspaper layouts, web site layouts, leaflets, wedding invitations, and all sorts of other fun documents need a thorough background in design theory, color theory, typography, and the principles of art in general. Art history is also very useful; you have to be able to listen to things from the client like "I want it to look Greek" or "I want it to look 60s" or "I want it to look light and airy" and turn that into something substantial. And yes, people will tell you things like that when you're designing something for them. A graphic designer's least favorite words to hear from a client are, "I'll know what I want when I see it."

Plus photographers for weddings and magazines and newspapers, videographers, video editors, people who make bumpers and graphics for TV stations and advertising firms, people who run sound and AV systems...while not all of those have to be arts degrees, they certainly can be and even if they aren't a degree of Fine Arts they certainly touch on a lot of principles of art along the way.

So, yeah. If your definition of "useful in the real world" is not being a freelance artist, then the answer is yes there are a lot of other fields where a degree in the fine arts is exactly what you need.
 

Saucycarpdog

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Hafrael said:
Saucycarpdog said:
Again, I'm not talking about the liberal arts here. I'm talking stuff like writing, music, acting, fashion, culinary, etc. A lot of talk has been about the liberal arts, but that encompases so many courses so I wanted to focus on something a little more specific. You know, to spice it up.
Music, acting, painting, etc are all "Fine Arts", I'm not sure if fashion, or culinary fall under that category.

So, what do you guys think of these courses? I know a lot of people go into them but are they useful in the real world?
What do you mean by useful in the "real" world? Do you mean, "will these courses get me a job"? Well that's a huge topic, this is by no means a small amount of degrees. I know people who got out of college with a graphic design degree and got a six-figure paycheck making powerpoints. (Not to mention how a culinary degree is a trade, not a higher education degree)
I mean should it be considered a practical degree? Or, even better, do you feel it is a practical degree?

Make sense now?
 

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Saucycarpdog said:
Again, I'm not talking about the liberal arts here. I'm talking stuff like writing, music, acting, fashion, culinary, ect. A lot of talk has been about the liberal arts, but that ecompases so many courses so I wanted to focus on something a little more specific. You know, to spice it up.

So, what do you guys think of these courses? I know a lot of people go into them but are they useful in the real world?
My opinions are mixed like they are on most things. To be honest mostly these kinds of courses tend to appeal to young, stupid, kids who don't have any clue what they want to do, or plans, and exist to rope them in with something realtively easy so they can get a degree based on something they like, without any real context for how it might be used. A school that made two hundred thousand dollars teaching some girl about Fashion, doesn't really give a crap about whether she's likely to be able to put that knowlege to use given how closed that whole industry tends to be, it got paid, so as far as the school is concerned she can starve on a street corner.

At the end of the day when it comes to most art degrees it's all about who you know, rather than what you know. If you don't have the contacts, odds are a degree in most "artistic" fields aren't going to amount to a hill of beans. I've oftentimes felt that some areas of study are basically traps run by schools hoping to attract enrollment and get people to waste generally allocated grant money. I personally think that in many cases a college, especially one that receives any kind of public aid or allowances at all, should be requires to evaluate the likelyhood of a person entering these areas of study ever finding empoloyment based on them before accepting money.

To be honest I'm paticularly wary of "acting", "modeling", and "fashion" degrees and training which can come from either general colleges as a program or from their own specialty schools. You teach some kid that they can be designing their own clothes, acting in movies, getting paid big bucks for looking pretty and carrying themselves the right way, working for magazines, etc... knowing that the odds of this are nearly non-existant, I consider that to be tantamount
to a scam. While it's a stereotype, those are exactly the kind of degrees you expect a hooker to have, the reality is not usually "hooking your way through college" so much as "hooking while waiting for the oppertunities to do something with what I learned in college".

When it comes to other kinds of "artistic" pursuits like cooking, that borders on being a trade, and honestly I have no real problems with that. A trained cook can find employment rather easily, granted they probably can't expect to have their own resteraunts, or run their own kitchens, but it is something one can find steady employment with. I mean even at the low end a good short order cook can make a pretty decent living.

Overall, I don't think anyone should be able to "major" in an art, or even *ahem* "liberal arts" unless they are referred there by an employer that already has them on payroll. That sounds odd, but to be honest most "came out of nowhere" success stories when it comes to the "art" fields tend to be situations where someone who isn't involved in that kind of thing winds up being scouted for having a specific look or whatever. Basically if someone comes up to you and says "I like your look, I'm willing to take a chance on you" and then pay you to go to school which they pay for (which happens rarely, but it does happen) then it might be okay for a school to accept someone as say an acting major in my opinion, but for your average kid who wants to be a movie star... that borders on a scam.
 
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Mind you this is just what I've gathered from one arts university, but I have a friend who's currently going to school for art and she is just royally pissed off with how useless everything she's being taught is. It's kind of killing what she used to like about it, the actual aesthetics. Every course she's taken so far has spent far more time trying to teach her what art is as a concept rather than skills. No matter how well done and beautiful a piece is, it is absolutely worthless to most of her teachers unless there's some societal commentary going on in it. In schools like this? I think that studying art is going to do absolutely nothing to help you get a job or build skills for it
 

Kuilui

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Well let me put it to you this way. I met an old man once at my job. We were talking about college and he told me he graduated from college with a degree in art. I asked what he did after college, did he have a career in art. He chuckled and said, I was a plumber for 40 years. I also know an amazing pastry chef that went to school for it and her stuff is amazing. She runs the flower department at the supermarket I work at and that's it and I doubt she's going anywhere else. I could probably do this all day. Like everything in life it's how tenacious you are and how much time you have to pursue your goals. College can be great for a base in which to start and get some decent skills down depending on how dedicated you are to it. However if you really want to apply that stuff to the real world, you need real world experience and if you want a career in the arts you need to be viciously persistent.