How Do You Feel About the Situation of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370?

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You might have heard that a Boeing 777 that left Kuala Lumpur on Friday dropped off the radar between Malaysia and Vietnam. According to officials, they haven't found a clue. The search has quickly become international:
http://time.com/19591/mh370-officials-clueless-as-stolen-passport-user-idd-as-asylum-seeker/

Two of the passengers had stolen passports, and fears of terrorism are abound.
I hope it will be found soon and I send my best wishes to the family. What do you think?
 

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I don't really have any opinions on this beyond mere speculation. At least from what I've seen in the news, we seem to know very little...no use forming opinions before even a preliminary investigation.

I hope they find the plane and figure out what happened, though at this point I'm not very optimistic about the passengers' chances for survival. It does seem pretty strange that no one even got a cellphone call out of the plane unlike in Flight 93. I imagine even if it crashed while the plane's communication equipment was disabled someone could have sent a text before the plane crashed (since planes glide rather than divebomb when their engines fail, that should have provided plenty of time).
 

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I find it strange that it's even possible to completely lose a giant passenger plane with no trace in this day and age. I mean, there are websites where you can track where airplanes are in real time within a few hundred meters of their position, and you're telling me this airplane is just gone with no clue as to where it is? I have a lot of trouble believing that. The level of incompetence for this to have happened must be astounding.

For god's sake, the plane had a GPS device that it was being tracked by, and probably 95% of the passengers on board have cellphones, which double as GPS trackers, you'd think they'd have some idea of where the plane is, even if it crashed.
 

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Latest news is that the FAA issued a warning about corrosion and cracking on the 777 that could lead to loss of structural integrity.

dyre said:
I hope they find the plane and figure out what happened, though at this point I'm not very optimistic about the passengers' chances for survival. It does seem pretty strange that no one even got a cellphone call out of the plane unlike in Flight 93. I imagine even if it crashed while the plane's communication equipment was disabled someone could have sent a text before the plane crashed (since planes glide rather than divebomb when their engines fail, that should have provided plenty of time).
Dirty Hipsters said:
I find it strange that it's even possible to completely lose a giant passenger plane with no trace in this day and age. I mean, there are websites where you can track where airplanes are in real time within a few hundred meters of their position, and you're telling me this airplane is just gone with no clue as to where it is? I have a lot of trouble believing that. The level of incompetence for this to have happened must be astounding.

For god's sake, the plane had a GPS device that it was being tracked by, and probably 95% of the passengers on board have cellphones, which double as GPS trackers, you'd think they'd have some idea of where the plane is, even if it crashed.

If plane suffers from sudden catastrophic loss of integrity then all the communications equipment in the world won't help. The live tracking sites only show data broadcast by the aircraft and wont be anymore help then the last radar plot.
 

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The first thing I said when I heard about the incident was "They're on the island..."
Yes I realized that I'm a huge asshole.
Seriously though the information about this thing just gets more and more bizarre.
 

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albino boo said:
dyre said:
I hope they find the plane and figure out what happened, though at this point I'm not very optimistic about the passengers' chances for survival. It does seem pretty strange that no one even got a cellphone call out of the plane unlike in Flight 93. I imagine even if it crashed while the plane's communication equipment was disabled someone could have sent a text before the plane crashed (since planes glide rather than divebomb when their engines fail, that should have provided plenty of time).
If plane suffers from sudden catastrophic loss of integrity then all the communications equipment in the world won't help. The live tracking sites only show data broadcast by the aircraft and wont be anymore help then the last radar plot.
Yeah, I didn't want to say it outright, but the only scenario I can think of in which all communications (including private cellphone communications) would be cut off would be, as you put it, sudden catastrophic loss of integrity. Which as far as I can figure could only be caused by terrorism, anti-aircraft missiles, or Boeing fucking up again. Any of which probably means everyone is dead.
 

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I like to think the Bermuda Triangle is somehow involved (I kid) but none the less it is totally bizzare of its dissapearance with no evidence of it crashing or etc what so ever.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
I find it strange that it's even possible to completely lose a giant passenger plane with no trace in this day and age. I mean, there are websites where you can track where airplanes are in real time within a few hundred meters of their position, and you're telling me this airplane is just gone with no clue as to where it is? I have a lot of trouble believing that. The level of incompetence for this to have happened must be astounding.

For god's sake, the plane had a GPS device that it was being tracked by, and probably 95% of the passengers on board have cellphones, which double as GPS trackers, you'd think they'd have some idea of where the plane is, even if it crashed.
All of the systems tie into one another. The tracking websites get their information from the same signal that the ATC uses to track the aircraft. Cell phones (god I hate that term, sigh never mind) are sorta discouraged from being in a transmit mode on flights as it can screw (read cause interference) with the positional and weather radar that some aircraft use (hence why modern phones have an 'airplane mode' that disables the radio transmitter so you can use the phone on a flight.
GPS doesn't work that way on a lot of phone models, you can't track it remotely as it is esenatly a passive receiver that does not transmit but instead uses the signal from multiple GPS satellites to triangulate a position rather than the transmit/relay/receive method of more powerful dedicated GPS devices.

Compounded with the fact that the ocean is HUGE and that a plain is a relatively small object travelling at about 550mph then it's very easily done to lose track of it. Also it seems like the plain turned back just before all contact was lost according to the news so if that was the case then that makes a S&R effort even more problematic as it's not a case of just searching along the line of the last known bearing. Couple this with the fact that ocean currents can pull things off course for hundreds of miles and that typically a water landing causes an aircraft to literally shred it's self to pieces and you sorta get the recipe for a perfect storm of shit for the S&R crews.

I hope I am wrong, I really really do but I think at this point finding any survivors is highly unlikely. From the information that has been given I would put my money on catastrophic mechanical failure as the cause.

My sympathies go out to everyone who had some one on that flight, like I said I hope I am wrong and everyone turns up safe and sound.
 

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It's obviously aliens.

Either that or Prey 2 is finally going to get a release date, and this is an incredibly ambitious, if morally dubious, stunt to drum up interest for the game. So ambitious the publishers had to actually enlist the help of an advanced alien race to pull it off. So yeh, I'm going with aliens.

But seriously, it does seem really odd that in 2014, a large passenger jet can vanish without a trace and not leave any clues in the form of debris or any communication from the plane, automated or otherwise. I know nothing about the systems in modern jet planes but I would assume in this day and age there would something automatically sending flight data back home.
 

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I think that the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 are trying to get back to the island. Gah, that was a stupid twist. XD

Though, I seriously can't think of anything other than "they are trapped on the island!" here. I guess that is what happens when you were a total Lost fanboy. XD
 

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dyre said:
Yeah, I didn't want to say it outright, but the only scenario I can think of in which all communications (including private cellphone communications) would be cut off would be, as you put it, sudden catastrophic loss of integrity. Which as far as I can figure could only be caused by terrorism, anti-aircraft missiles, or Boeing fucking up again. Any of which probably means everyone is dead.
In this case it's not Boeing fucking up again. All commercial aircraft undergo regular inspection at set time and parts are replaced according to a strict schedule set out by the manufacturer. During one the inspections cracking and corrosion was found by the Satcom antenna. After this was a further 42 aircraft were inspected of similar age of which 16 had the same problem. The FAA, as the agency responsible for Boeing aircraft, added inspections to the routine maintenance cycle.

The whole dreamliner saga was a complete screw up not just by Boeing but by the FAA. The FAA should have never certified the new lithium ion batteries in the first place. The design standard to which civil aircraft are built is that you have to carry mitigation for events with odds up to 12 million to 1. Clearly the batteries were not tested enough for that standard to be met and therefore should not have been given clearance. I have worked air safety critical code and there has always been a suspicion the FAA and the european equivalent have been moved by commercial pressures emanating from airbus and boeing.
 

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People here probably won't like my theory on the subject.

I honestly do not think it was terrorists, because if it was terrorism you'd have the organization responsible for it screaming that it did it, at the top of it's lungs. Heck if it was even a serious possibility you'd have terrorist organizations lining up to try and take credit even if it wasn't. Terrorists want things loud in order to spread fear, they don't just quietly disappear things.

Outlandish theories like how aliens got them, or something like "Lost" happened for real are not bloody likely. I mean in theory you can't 100% disprove Aliens, but you can't prove they exist either, and really I don't give credit to the really far out fringe theories at this point.

This leads to the big question of how a plane could disappear, and my theory is that it didn't. I think the first responders found it, but there has been a cover up, and perhaps with time we'll see cracks appear in this.

My basic theory at the moment is China shot it down. China has been increasingly belligerent about expanding it's sphere of influence, and even extended it's threat to civilian aircraft. Obama and company have told people to comply with China's directives to avoid an incident even if they dispute China's territorial claims. For the most part I think this end of things has just been posturing on China's part, but I wouldn't put it past some hothead in their military to have fired on a civilian plane. Given the "peace at any price" attitudes of the west, and China not being quite ready for an offensive war (or wanting to be seen as aggressors at this point) it's possible that those responding to the plane have been collecting and hiding the wreckage to avoid making it clear what happened, which is also why we've seen some 'false alarms' where people have allegedly found plane doors, oil slicks, and similar things which were later "debunked", since after all no clean up like this could ever be entirely air tight.


Now of course a lot of people are probably thinking "Therumancer, you just don't like China's policies" and that's true, I do not. But then again I don't like terrorists either, and haven't exactly been expressing positive opinions of Muslim culture. If I was just generally warmongering that would be a more popular place to point a finger. My theory (and that's all it is) is largely based around who could destroy a plane so suddenly, and why the incident might be concealed. China stole a lot of US missile technology (Thanks Clinton) and with current stealth tech a civilian plane might not even see a missile coming on their radar or whatever unlike Hollywood.

Again it should be noted that part of my theory was that this was a hotheaded action, not one intended by China which is why there would be a coordinated effort to conceal what happened and prevent what would be at least a major military incident. Something made easier by the fact that there were only like 3 Americans on board.

It's not a perfect theory of course, but better than say Aliens or some kind of "Bermuda Triangle" type incident... and to be honest the way it's turning out so far we might never get an answer people will accept. I'll also say that while belligerent other nations like Russia haven't been belligerent the same way China has in this particular area, and while I'm not a big fan, I just can't see Putin or a hothead Russian commander firing on a plane like this, the way I could see China doing it given it's recent border aggression. Russia is interested in it's former empire and territory and potentially threatening Europe, where China has been the one screaming about air space, oceanic territory, and it's rightful sphere of control. This also happened I believe around US territories where China has been harassing civilians by going after fishing boats with water cannons and such already, which means I could easily see someone doing this kind of thing taking it too far and blowing up an airliner (just as I've been waiting for China to actually snap and start machine gunning the crews of civilian fishing vessels, instead of just blowing the crews overboard with water cannons).
 

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Stranger than stranger really. Something from the Bermuda Triangle if it happened near the Atlantic.

What I also don't get is, we (governments) can hack any computer system in the world with a series of links and so forth, but can't seem to find a missing plane with so much electrical equipment and connection devices on board.

I know there is a millions stories and speculation coming out about this as to what has happened to the plane but I hope something comes from it sooner rather than later.
 

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From what I've read on the BBC, it sounds like the stolen passports were probably related to illegal immigration, a common concern in the region, rather than terrorism. It's still up in the air of course but I'd be very surprised if the crash doesn't turn out to be the result of substandard aircraft safety typical in developing nations.

...or it could just be aliens :p
 

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albino boo said:
dyre said:
Yeah, I didn't want to say it outright, but the only scenario I can think of in which all communications (including private cellphone communications) would be cut off would be, as you put it, sudden catastrophic loss of integrity. Which as far as I can figure could only be caused by terrorism, anti-aircraft missiles, or Boeing fucking up again. Any of which probably means everyone is dead.
In this case it's not Boeing fucking up again. All commercial aircraft undergo regular inspection at set time and parts are replaced according to a strict schedule set out by the manufacturer. During one the inspections cracking and corrosion was found by the Satcom antenna. After this was a further 42 aircraft were inspected of similar age of which 16 had the same problem. The FAA, as the agency responsible for Boeing aircraft, added inspections to the routine maintenance cycle.

The whole dreamliner saga was a complete screw up not just by Boeing but by the FAA. The FAA should have never certified the new lithium ion batteries in the first place. The design standard to which civil aircraft are built is that you have to carry mitigation for events with odds up to 12 million to 1. Clearly the batteries were not tested enough for that standard to be met and therefore should not have been given clearance. I have worked air safety critical code and there has always been a suspicion the FAA and the european equivalent have been moved by commercial pressures emanating from airbus and boeing.
Hmm, that's enlightening, thanks for the reply. I've always thought it slightly ridiculous that Boeing and Airbus dragged all of us normal people into some kind of stupid "US vs Europe" competition.
 

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Therumancer said:
Just wondering if you're familiar with that area of the planet?

They really were quite a long way away from China. So far in fact, that it's like blaming Iceland for a plane crash over the English Channel!
 

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Therumancer said:
Choppity chop
Small but rather important point, the plane was last sighted the on radar the other side of Vietnam from China. The air defence zone recently declared by China is in the Sea of Japan the other side of the South China sea. China invaded Vietnam in 1979 and has an ongoing territorial dispute over island in the south China sea at the other end of Vietnam. Basic geography is against your theory.
 

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I have been keeping up with this story and they just revealed that not only were there two passengers with stolen passports, but the plane itself did a sharp turn off course suddenly shortly after taking off; going in the opposite direction of its flying off for a bit before the transponder was shut off. The new currents search area is somewhere near pulau perak. .Think it is sort of bullshit no one has noticed a giant ass fucking plane. They apparently had enough gas to go 3000 miles though (holy shit) so it is quite a big net to cast I guess. But really though, the plane has to have landed by now, and you telling me no one on the damn thing had a phone? Sadly my guess is they are all most likely dead :'( though I hope otherwise.
 

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I find it fascinating from a certain point of view. For something that big, in this day and age, to simply vanish without a trace is a rare thing. Some would say it is impossible. Unfortunately, the plane probably crashed into the ocean and parts will eventually begin to wash up, but it's still weird.
It makes me think of the Twilight Zone episode where the plane goes back in time and it's stuck there, trying to find a way back.
 

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dyre said:
Hmm, that's enlightening, thanks for the reply. I've always thought it slightly ridiculous that Boeing and Airbus dragged all of us normal people into some kind of stupid "US vs Europe" competition.
Its big money involved. Boeing have influence in the house by virtue of being a big employer and the less virtuous campaign contributions. Airbus is part owned by the French and German governments. The combined turnovers of both companies are over $100 billion a year.