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I've been living on this planet for over 22 years, at least 20 or so of those years I could talk, and I still fumble the most basic of social interactions.

I can't make eye contact, I stumble words, my brain charges full of every dramatic possibility on how I can screw this up or what I should do next.

It's made my life awful at times: School, work, relationships.
Even talking on the internet is difficult for me, though it's certainly easier.

It's not something I've been able to fix. I've tried therapy but that didn't help. My only next possible step is getting some kind of prescription, but I don't even know what that would mean or if it'd even help.

I literally go to work in a swell of fear and anxiety, as my breath gets shorter and my heart pumps harder, but no one I tell understands or they think I'm lying. Dealing with customers is physically exhausting, even at times where it shouldn't. I'm terrified of upsetting them somehow, or that they're judging my constantly. I sweat, I feel the veins in my neck, I tend to skip over tiny details in an effort to get out of the social interaction as quickly as possible, only to then upset someone.

So I'm asking for advice of how to suppress my anxiety. I know the best course of action is to see a professional, but that requires scheduling. For now, are there things any of you do?

I'm quite honestly asking out of desperation here. It's gotten to the point where I'm debating on quitting my job, and it prevents me from moving on with my life. I've tried so hard to force my way through situations, but it's still tough.
 

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DeliveryGodNoah said:
Give this [http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/572/transformers?act=3#play] a listen. Or listen to the whole enchilada [http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/572/transformers].

I was like you. Still am in a way. It's not like I'm an entirely different person, I mean, I still don't have a whole lot of friends, but I've decided to accept who I am and move on.

Granted, once my medical coverage gets going I would LOVE to try me some Prozac in lieu of something like, say, self-inflicted retrograde amnesia.

Anyway, until I can enjoy some chemical therapy, I can share some pointers and observations with you:

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[li]Practice breathing. No joke. Don't take deep breaths, just relax and breathe through the power of your diaphragm. Learn control of your breathing and you start to gain control of your nerves. Take this from someone who used to jump out of planes at approximately 1,200 feet (long story). Augment this control with some exercise. Running is great, but if you want to really challenge yourself, try working up to burpees and kettlebell swings [http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/lose-belly-fat-two-exercises] Warning: those exercises in combination may make you pray for death.[/li]

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[li]Start learning how to listen to people. This starts with looking people in the eyes without judgment. Note how I didn't say emotion, that's Ted Bundy [http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/66/b6/66b6137d2cff26f2f9502a13b794eee0.jpg?itok=-kv6fg7q] territory. People react differently to you once they realize you're actually listening to them. Take the moments as they come. Don't automatically start thinking of a reply.[/li]

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[li]An interesting note. It's fascinating what people end up thinking when you're quiet. Mostly people suspect the worst, as if you're disgusted with their behavior--I can't explain it--there is power in silence. It can drive certain people crazy though, so try not to make it a habit.[/li]

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Also:
What do you call a doctor who graduates at the bottom of their class?

A doctor.

You're going to run into people who suck at their jobs. Doesn't matter if they're a programmer, auto mechanic, or therapist. This is why referrals are so important. Don't let a few shitty therapists ruin your life. Ask around, find someone who doesn't suck. They're out there, and believe me when I say you never forget someone who is good at their job, especially a mechanic, but that's beside the point.

And don't quit your job. Unless your job involves shooting puppies and kittens, never quit. Unless it's the puppycatocalypse.
 
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I've suffered with social anxiety all my life, and I'm pretty sure it'll never truly go away.

I'm a lot better now than I used to be at that age, though. I did something that nobody with social phobia or telephobia would ever rationally do, though. I decided to get a job in a call centre.

Weirdly, forcing myself to talk to strangers all day long changed me completely. It helped me overcome a lot of that social phobia. I see a lot more easily now that other people are not better than me, they're exactly like me. I took to being a call centre agent like a duck to water, really.

Now I'm a team leader at work and much more confident and take the lead in social situations.

I'm not saying this approach is for everyone, hell, anyone, but I do think accepting it and then slowly putting yourself into situations you would not normally ever think about is a definate way to try and overcome your fears.
 

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I have it, but I don't think it's as bad as yours. I get it with the first hour of going outside. I feel like I'm going to crap myself it gets that bad. However, after a while, I start to straighten out.

When you're dealing with it, it's hard to remember the things that calm you down. I've had people tell me to breath in and out, or to think of other things while it's happening. Kinda hard to do when the lights get brighter and you're getting dizzy from not breathing normally.

If you have a job, you pretty much stepped over the first bump in the road for an every day person. I think the best advice I got was that people are too busy thinking about themselves to care about you. I mean, just think about it. You're not crazy or anything, everyone thinks a lot about what they have done that day, or what they look like and so on. They don't care if you're freaking out, because they are probably thinking of something else. Unless you start screaming and breaking down in front of everyone.

I think you just gotta keep fighting and keep trying different things to calm yourself down.
 

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I've been living on this planet for over 22 years, at least 20 or so of those years I could talk, and I still fumble the most basic of social interactions.

I can't make eye contact, I stumble words, my brain charges full of every dramatic possibility on how I can screw this up or what I should do next.

It's made my life awful at times: School, work, relationships.
Even talking on the internet is difficult for me, though it's certainly easier.

It's not something I've been able to fix. I've tried therapy but that didn't help. My only next possible step is getting some kind of prescription, but I don't even know what that would mean or if it'd even help.

I literally go to work in a swell of fear and anxiety, as my breath gets shorter and my heart pumps harder, but no one I tell understands or they think I'm lying. Dealing with customers is physically exhausting, even at times where it shouldn't. I'm terrified of upsetting them somehow, or that they're judging my constantly. I sweat, I feel the veins in my neck, I tend to skip over tiny details in an effort to get out of the social interaction as quickly as possible, only to then upset someone.

So I'm asking for advice of how to suppress my anxiety. I know the best course of action is to see a professional, but that requires scheduling. For now, are there things any of you do?

I'm quite honestly asking out of desperation here. It's gotten to the point where I'm debating on quitting my job, and it prevents me from moving on with my life. I've tried so hard to force my way through situations, but it's still tough.
I had the same problem when I was younger and still have some GAD but largely it's a matter of training yourself to realise that the worst case scenario is not as likely as you think and the most likely scenario is better than you fear.

The breathing thing is important too, as someone said already, but if you concentrate on breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth, you'll actually distract yourself from the fear response which threatens to paralyse you.

Active listening is important too, as well as having a distraction from fear you will give better customer service.

Much of my improvements in dealing with anxiety problems came from building a certain bedrock of self-confidence, often through becoming objectively good at certain things. Whatever someone's opinion of you, they can't affect your basic levels of competence.

Just out of interest, what IS your job? Are you within your comfort zone professionally except with the social anxiety? I ask because it's better to take little steps and trying to master a profession whilst also dealing with anxiety around other issues is a lot to handle.
 
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Benny Blanco said:
DeliveryGodNoah said:
I've been living on this planet for over 22 years, at least 20 or so of those years I could talk, and I still fumble the most basic of social interactions.

I can't make eye contact, I stumble words, my brain charges full of every dramatic possibility on how I can screw this up or what I should do next.

It's made my life awful at times: School, work, relationships.
Even talking on the internet is difficult for me, though it's certainly easier.

It's not something I've been able to fix. I've tried therapy but that didn't help. My only next possible step is getting some kind of prescription, but I don't even know what that would mean or if it'd even help.

I literally go to work in a swell of fear and anxiety, as my breath gets shorter and my heart pumps harder, but no one I tell understands or they think I'm lying. Dealing with customers is physically exhausting, even at times where it shouldn't. I'm terrified of upsetting them somehow, or that they're judging my constantly. I sweat, I feel the veins in my neck, I tend to skip over tiny details in an effort to get out of the social interaction as quickly as possible, only to then upset someone.

So I'm asking for advice of how to suppress my anxiety. I know the best course of action is to see a professional, but that requires scheduling. For now, are there things any of you do?

I'm quite honestly asking out of desperation here. It's gotten to the point where I'm debating on quitting my job, and it prevents me from moving on with my life. I've tried so hard to force my way through situations, but it's still tough.
I had the same problem when I was younger and still have some GAD but largely it's a matter of training yourself to realise that the worst case scenario is not as likely as you think and the most likely scenario is better than you fear.

The breathing thing is important too, as someone said already, but if you concentrate on breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth, you'll actually distract yourself from the fear response which threatens to paralyse you.

Active listening is important too, as well as having a distraction from fear you will give better customer service.

Much of my improvements in dealing with anxiety problems came from building a certain bedrock of self-confidence, often through becoming objectively good at certain things. Whatever someone's opinion of you, they can't affect your basic levels of competence.

Just out of interest, what IS your job? Are you within your comfort zone professionally except with the social anxiety? I ask because it's better to take little steps and trying to master a profession whilst also dealing with anxiety around other issues is a lot to handle.
Technically I'm working two jobs, but the one that I have trouble with is being a "cashier". I put it in quotes because, in reality, the cashier bit is really just a side quest. The majority of the work that's expected of me includes making sure the entire front half of the store is in order, stocking shelves, cleaning, replacing over 3,000 sale tags weekly, while simultaneously running the register and whatever other tasks are given to me. It causes a lot of issues where I am 9 out of 10 not nearby and will then have to come back to an impatient customer.

It's not something I can fix either. Corporate adamantly pressures us to do more and more work while continuing "exceptional service". (Our store is rather small, but still too much ground to cover for only two people, which is the max we typically have working at one time)
Corporate is even adding ANOTHER new task for us to complete every week on top of the stuff we barely manage to get done. And yet I still barely make $9 an hour (that's after a raise I got earlier this year).

It constantly creates situations where I feel overwhelmed, when really all I have to do is simply pause what I'm doing on the floor and walk to the register. But we do get complaints, both in person and on surveys, about people accusing us of not doing our jobs right because there's not always someone there.

Sorry if it feels like I'm venting my job on you. I know you only asked what I did, but it's not often I do get to talk to someone about it.
 

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This might not be of much help but when I was starting my new job (ironically in a similar situation to yourself with regard to corporate expectations of an understaffed workplace), I found that it was a lot easier for me to get through interactions with people when I made a conscious effort to slow down. It's easy to speak a mile a minute and then instantly regret that ONE thing that may or may not have been interpreted in a bad way due to that ONE remote possibility your mind cooked up from nowhere. Taking a few seconds to breathe and calm yourself down is okay in a conversation.

Giving yourself permission to mess up every now and again might help too. You're only human like the rest of us and despite what it feels like a lot of the time, one or two mistakes won't bring the world crashing down on you.

Honestly, I can't offer you any better advice than what's already been said but as someone who suffers from lasting social anxiety I really hope things get better for you soon. I know how much it sucks when you're suffering and struggling to function, and no one around you can understand why. You're not alone, don't worry. Wishing you nothing but the very best, OP. :)
 

Benny Blanco

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DeliveryGodNoah said:
Benny Blanco said:
DeliveryGodNoah said:
I've been living on this planet for over 22 years, at least 20 or so of those years I could talk, and I still fumble the most basic of social interactions.

I can't make eye contact, I stumble words, my brain charges full of every dramatic possibility on how I can screw this up or what I should do next.

It's made my life awful at times: School, work, relationships.
Even talking on the internet is difficult for me, though it's certainly easier.

It's not something I've been able to fix. I've tried therapy but that didn't help. My only next possible step is getting some kind of prescription, but I don't even know what that would mean or if it'd even help.

I literally go to work in a swell of fear and anxiety, as my breath gets shorter and my heart pumps harder, but no one I tell understands or they think I'm lying. Dealing with customers is physically exhausting, even at times where it shouldn't. I'm terrified of upsetting them somehow, or that they're judging my constantly. I sweat, I feel the veins in my neck, I tend to skip over tiny details in an effort to get out of the social interaction as quickly as possible, only to then upset someone.

So I'm asking for advice of how to suppress my anxiety. I know the best course of action is to see a professional, but that requires scheduling. For now, are there things any of you do?

I'm quite honestly asking out of desperation here. It's gotten to the point where I'm debating on quitting my job, and it prevents me from moving on with my life. I've tried so hard to force my way through situations, but it's still tough.
I had the same problem when I was younger and still have some GAD but largely it's a matter of training yourself to realise that the worst case scenario is not as likely as you think and the most likely scenario is better than you fear.

The breathing thing is important too, as someone said already, but if you concentrate on breathing in through the nose and out through the mouth, you'll actually distract yourself from the fear response which threatens to paralyse you.

Active listening is important too, as well as having a distraction from fear you will give better customer service.

Much of my improvements in dealing with anxiety problems came from building a certain bedrock of self-confidence, often through becoming objectively good at certain things. Whatever someone's opinion of you, they can't affect your basic levels of competence.

Just out of interest, what IS your job? Are you within your comfort zone professionally except with the social anxiety? I ask because it's better to take little steps and trying to master a profession whilst also dealing with anxiety around other issues is a lot to handle.
Technically I'm working two jobs, but the one that I have trouble with is being a "cashier". I put it in quotes because, in reality, the cashier bit is really just a side quest. The majority of the work that's expected of me includes making sure the entire front half of the store is in order, stocking shelves, cleaning, replacing over 3,000 sale tags weekly, while simultaneously running the register and whatever other tasks are given to me. It causes a lot of issues where I am 9 out of 10 not nearby and will then have to come back to an impatient customer.

It's not something I can fix either. Corporate adamantly pressures us to do more and more work while continuing "exceptional service". (Our store is rather small, but still too much ground to cover for only two people, which is the max we typically have working at one time)
Corporate is even adding ANOTHER new task for us to complete every week on top of the stuff we barely manage to get done. And yet I still barely make $9 an hour (that's after a raise I got earlier this year).

It constantly creates situations where I feel overwhelmed, when really all I have to do is simply pause what I'm doing on the floor and walk to the register. But we do get complaints, both in person and on surveys, about people accusing us of not doing our jobs right because there's not always someone there.

Sorry if it feels like I'm venting my job on you. I know you only asked what I did, but it's not often I do get to talk to someone about it.
Mate, don't worry about it. You asked for help and we're here to help you. It's obvious that this job is contributing to your levels of stress and anxiety, but I wouldn't quit until you have another, better job lined up. In one of the bitter ironies of the world, it's easier to get a job if you have one already.

Sounds to me like you need to co-ordinate better with your manager or co-worker: if there's only ever 2 people in at once, you need to ensure that there is always someone at the counter. This is where your company make money and where people come for help, so it should be the hub of operations and your default base.

Casting my mind back to sub-optimal retail job shortly after graduation, I recall that we would work on the display in the less busy times. I worked at a betting shop, which is very time sensitive for the tills, but doesn't get much traffic before lunch (a few old dears coming in for the Irish lottery was about it) so we'd sort out the daily display and make sure the shop was looking decent then. There would be another lull mid-afternoon, so we'd empty the ashtrays, pick up the old slips off the floor and generally clean up. It was not the best job I ever had, but I still learnt from it.

Don't be afraid to apply yourself creatively to your job- talk to your line manager about the best things to do to manage this. This will at the least demonstrate that you are aware of the issue and care enough to solve it, as well as marking you out as someone with the drive and brains to give it some thought.

Remember the key is to be assertive. That is not the same as being aggressive.

DO:

-Express your opinion: even if it's wrong, you'll learn something when someone corrects you.
-Stand up for your rights when they are being infringed, although you may choose to be diplomatic about this.
-Listen to what people have to say, actively and allowing them to finish. They will feel valued and you will know what they want. If you still don't know, ask an intelligent follow-up question requesting clarification.
-Smile more. People tend to mirror the body language of others, so you'll find yourself dealing with friendlier people. Also, the smiling=happy causation is not as one-way as previously imagined. If you smile more, you will be happier.
-Be kind and thoughtful.

DON'T:

-Allow people to bully you.
-Be confrontational or get offended by things that mean nothing. If a moron comes in and mouths off, so what? If you truly did the best you reasonably could, what are they going to do about it?
-Become self-righteous. (Pro-tip: If you find your hands on your hips, you may already have reached that point)
-Let the monkey/lizard part of your brain take over.
 
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Benny Blanco said:
Mate, don't worry about it. You asked for help and we're here to help you. It's obvious that this job is contributing to your levels of stress and anxiety, but I wouldn't quit until you have another, better job lined up. In one of the bitter ironies of the world, it's easier to get a job if you have one already.

Sounds to me like you need to co-ordinate better with your manager or co-worker: if there's only ever 2 people in at once, you need to ensure that there is always someone at the counter. This is where your company make money and where people come for help, so it should be the hub of operations and your default base.

Casting my mind back to sub-optimal retail job shortly after graduation, I recall that we would work on the display in the less busy times. I worked at a betting shop, which is very time sensitive for the tills, but doesn't get much traffic before lunch (a few old dears coming in for the Irish lottery was about it) so we'd sort out the daily display and make sure the shop was looking decent then. There would be another lull mid-afternoon, so we'd empty the ashtrays, pick up the old slips off the floor and generally clean up. It was not the best job I ever had, but I still learnt from it.

Don't be afraid to apply yourself creatively to your job- talk to your line manager about the best things to do to manage this. This will at the least demonstrate that you are aware of the issue and care enough to solve it, as well as marking you out as someone with the drive and brains to give it some thought.

Remember the key is to be assertive. That is not the same as being aggressive.

DO:

-Express your opinion: even if it's wrong, you'll learn something when someone corrects you.
-Stand up for your rights when they are being infringed, although you may choose to be diplomatic about this.
-Listen to what people have to say, actively and allowing them to finish. They will feel valued and you will know what they want. If you still don't know, ask an intelligent follow-up question requesting clarification.
-Smile more. People tend to mirror the body language of others, so you'll find yourself dealing with friendlier people. Also, the smiling=happy causation is not as one-way as previously imagined. If you smile more, you will be happier.
-Be kind and thoughtful.

DON'T:

-Allow people to bully you.
-Be confrontational or get offended by things that mean nothing. If a moron comes in and mouths off, so what? If you truly did the best you reasonably could, what are they going to do about it?
-Become self-righteous. (Pro-tip: If you find your hands on your hips, you may already have reached that point)
-Let the monkey/lizard part of your brain take over.
Wow, honestly, the coherent nature of everything you said actually makes me feel better, if that makes sense. Makes me feel like you actually understand and cared enough to put a lot of thought into it. (Not implying at all that everyone else offering advice so far hasn't helped me as well, you've all been great so far)

I'll take your and everyone else's advice in small strides, but only after I find out if this new potential job pulls through for me. I applied to a local used game store two days ago, a job that is close and is completely relative to my knowledge and interests. Hopefully I hear something by Friday.

But thank you for helping me.
 

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I would stay away from any sort of drug. There is no magic pill out there. And because each drug is loaded with a variety of synthetic chemicals, it naturally will have side effects because it will conflict with your body's chemistry and generic makeup.

I had my experiences with social anxiety. Not as severe as sweating, but I would be very stressed out just attempting a normal conversation. I attribute that to early high school days where I had difficulty relating to anyone. Since the only thing I did was school work and video games. And knew I wanted to be nice to others, so I did think about the possibility of saying the wrong thing. Overtime with socalizing with others, I got more comfortable in my skin as I discovered myself. Had some more of the same issues in college, especially after summer and winter breaks. As those were times that I was largely a loner, and would barely speak to anyone. So one thing I did was make it my business to put down my phone and newspaper. And make myself open to natural conversations that were not forced before class.

In short, avoid forcing a conversation. It should come naturally. And find some common ground to start a discussion. Maybe someone is wearing a nice shirt. They have a tattoo that interests you in a positive way. Avoid more personal questions with someone your not that close to, unless they bring up the subject. Such as breast size, their income, details of their love life, their relationships with their parents. Until you get on better terms with them that you both will be comfortable asking those questions. Knowing each other's intentions. And accept you'll have to make some mistakes to learn from them.

Perhaps joining some sort of social club that interests you, would help improve your social skills. But being blessed with a friend that you can be open with and talk about practically anything, will do great things for you. Female friends while they are tricky at first, and slightly harder to be comfortable with as the opposite gender. Can offer a variety of deep conversations, once you find one or some you click with. If you don't click with someone, that's ok. Just be friendly and talk when needed. More unforced conversations will go a long way to improving your social skills and knowledge in a variety of subjects.


Summary
-Stay away from prescription drugs
-Accept that you have to make mistakes to learn from them
-Don't force conversations. They should come naturally
-If you don't click with someone, its ok. Everyone is different, just be friendly and speak when needed.
-Avoid personal questions, unless the person you are speaking too brings it up. Or your close enough with someone to ask more than a general question
-Having a good friend you can talk to about a variety of subjects, will go a long way to improving your social skills
-Don't be afraid to talk to females. They can offer the most in depth and variety of topics. The comrade of guys in a group you fit in to can also do some good. As long as you stay away from criminal or sinful business.
-Some prayer to the Lord Christ won't hurt at all in lessening your anxiety
 

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There a variety of non-medication interventions that are effective with anxiety, relaxation practices, cognitive behavioral therapy, e-mental health etc.

Sometimes however anxiety is so bad, these alone won't work. SSRIs are commonly called "antidepressants" even by medical professionals, but they're not limited to depression. They're used in anxiety, OCD and other mood disorders. They do have side effects especially at the beginning of treatment. But many people find once appropriately titrated that they can't understand how they lived the way they did before.

If it is getting to a point where you are contemplating quitting work that is clearly quite bad. I'd see a doctor and discuss. Also don't think at any point of using alcohol to self medicate. It's common in social anxiety and only makes things worse in the long run.

-Jak- said:
I would stay away from any sort of drug. There is no magic pill out there. And because each drug is loaded with a variety of synthetic chemicals, it naturally will have side effects because it will conflict with your body's chemistry and generic makeup.
I would avoid making such recommendations. You're a correct there is no magic pill out there, not just for depression, but for many physical and mental conditions. That doesn't stop imperfect medications from being effective in the right circumstances.

In the past anti-depressants have been over prescribed (and inappropriately for things like bereavement). And some people were made into addicts for benzodiazepines. The right answer isn't "MOAR PILLZ!" but it isn't necessarily no pills. This is why I'd recommend the OP finds a trusted or well recommended doctor and talks to them.

It sounds like the OP's condition is more than a little bit of anxiety. It's derailing his life and given him physical symptoms of a panic attack. In his case a very low dose SSRI might do wonders.

Depression/anxiety is multi-factored. There are many things that impact on a person, but often where the medications are effective is where the body's chemistry is already faulty. They are selective serotinin reuptake inhibitors. Meaning they stop the body getting rid of serotinin which in turn increases this. If you have low sertonin this can prolong or worsen depression/anxiety. It is again not the only factor. But can play an important part.

You're right most medications have side effects. But this is mainly in the initial few weeks. As you imagine your body and brain has to get use to new levels of sertoinin. After a 6-8weeks most side effects are completely gone. If any persist it is easier to change to another medication.
 

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While not nearly as severe as you, I had social anxiety too. How I got over it...well, I'm not entirely sure. But I can tell you two things that definitely helped. 1, was finding a group of friends that just accepted me for who I was. I stopped being afraid of upsetting people or thinking of every possible bad scenario when I was with them, and that slowly transferred over to my interactions with other people. 2, I realized that everyone has problems. Everyone is insecure. Everyone has flaws they're embarrassed about. And no, just being told that by others doesn't help. You need to realize it by finding out for yourself. This is probably the hardest thing to do.

What probably also helped me was a constant learning process. I have a mild form of PDD-Nos, and I was completely incapable of picking up the more subtle cues in body language and tone of voice and such. But over the years I learned (by a LOT of trial and error, sadly) to study those things as much as possible while interacting with others. I still have a lot of trouble with it, but I can pick up on the most common cues these days.

Sadly, your case seems to be quite severe. And I don't think random people on a forum can really help you with the problem. =/