I have been watching a lot of Comic Book cartoons animation lately and plot armous is so so high. Then again its meant to be.Xsjadoblayde said:
How does Black Panther do his stuff?
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In the comics, I think it's swung between "just really fit" to "mystical panther powers" to "Wakandan homeopathy". But to be honest, he's only appeared in a minor role in one Marvel movie. For all we know, the film version of Black Panther is a cyborg with a gorilla heart.
What bugged me was that he's apparently fucking bulletproof. I saw that bit where the helicopter shot at him in the film and just...scoffed like a 19th century gentleman watching a suffrage rally. That was like a .50 calibre machine gun, and it just sparks off him while he stands there looking mildly curious. Apparently the suit is made of vibranium? I didn't think vibranium was that flexible, considering that its most notable quality is literally its inflexibility.
Never mind that Black Panther is running around in a revolutionary suit of body armour so far ahead of its contemporaries that it makes Iron Man look like Ned Kelly. I mean, shit - did Tony Stark never think "Oh, maybe I should use my incredible wealth to go get some vibranium and use it to armour, say, the giant glowing power source in the middle of my torso."
A lot of superhero films don't make any dang sense when you think about them. Fun to watch, though.
[sub]Batfleck is also bulletproof, apparently, though at least he reacted to getting shot twice in the head and didn't stand there posing like a chump.[/sub]
What bugged me was that he's apparently fucking bulletproof. I saw that bit where the helicopter shot at him in the film and just...scoffed like a 19th century gentleman watching a suffrage rally. That was like a .50 calibre machine gun, and it just sparks off him while he stands there looking mildly curious. Apparently the suit is made of vibranium? I didn't think vibranium was that flexible, considering that its most notable quality is literally its inflexibility.
Never mind that Black Panther is running around in a revolutionary suit of body armour so far ahead of its contemporaries that it makes Iron Man look like Ned Kelly. I mean, shit - did Tony Stark never think "Oh, maybe I should use my incredible wealth to go get some vibranium and use it to armour, say, the giant glowing power source in the middle of my torso."
A lot of superhero films don't make any dang sense when you think about them. Fun to watch, though.
[sub]Batfleck is also bulletproof, apparently, though at least he reacted to getting shot twice in the head and didn't stand there posing like a chump.[/sub]
Super suit and life-long training. He doesnt have super-natural powers, but Vibranium which the suit is made out of, is basically the most powerful physical material in Marvel, even more so than Adamantium since it has special properties. Captain America's shield is made of it too.
Edit: I guess the film doesnt really tell you anything about his suit or Vibranium.
Edit: I guess the film doesnt really tell you anything about his suit or Vibranium.
I get how vibranium works, I just don't get how they were able to work it into a skin-tight body suit. I mean, it's still metal.Fischgopf said:
Maybe they were using only tiny strands of vibranium, but that raises the question of exactly how much vibranium one would need to make an invulnerable set of pajamas. I mean, if suits like Panther's use less vibranium to stay at cloth-levels of flexibility, it should actually be easier to mass-produce them and...conquer Africa, or something.
The arc reactor can work as a repulsor, but it's also his suit's power source, and until Iron Man 3 it was all that was keeping Stark alive. He could at least put a retractable cover on it. It's the middle of his torso, that's the easiest part for someone to hit. Hawkeye could take him out with one arrow.Fischgopf said:
When War Machine gets his arc reactor lasered and immediately goes dark, I was like "Finally! It takes a super-intelligent AI with an Infinity Gem for a brain to realise that the glowing circle in the middle of his chest is his weak spot." And even then he did it by accident!
And as for vibranium's availability - Stark's dad thought that the shield was all the vibranium that existed in the 1940s, but by the modern day guys like Ulysses Klaue are smuggling the stuff on the black market. Tony would have to know about that; he used to be an arms dealer himself.
And maybe it's out of his price range or he just couldn't buy enough of it, but then we get told that Ultron built himself an entire body out of Klaue's vibranium, and that just got left on Sokovia when it exploded. Considering that it's worth billions and wouldn't have been damaged by the blast, Stark would have to be freaking crazy not to go recover it, even if only to keep it out of the hands of people like Klaue.
At that point, the only possible explanations are a) the vibranium was vaporized in the Sokovia explosion or b) Tony Stark is really committed to his superhero name and doesn't like the sound of "Vibranium Man."
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It's been answered well here. Black panther is a superhuman. He has powers from special herbs and medicines he took to become the Black Panther and/or powers from his Panther god (the MCU likely swings to the former reason, basically he's a wakandan super-soldier). He also has a super suit based on Wakandan vibranium tech. So it absorbs kinetic energy and has claws sharp enough to scratch Cap's shield.
What they didn't really convey in the film, which I guess is okay (because they can save it for later or decide he is too overpowered), is that he is also one of the 10 smartest people on Earth.
What they didn't really convey in the film, which I guess is okay (because they can save it for later or decide he is too overpowered), is that he is also one of the 10 smartest people on Earth.
Including. It's been stated in a few marvel comics (Mighty Avengers, some of the post World War Hulk Stuff) that the following characters are in the top ten most intelligent people on earth. No particular order:axlryder said:
Dr Doom. Reed Richards. Hank Pym. Bruce Banner. Amadeus Cho. Tony Stark. Hank Mccoy/Beast. T'Challa/Black panther.
The other 2 spots are hotly contested and have never been cleared up. Possible candidates are Valeria Richards. Monica Rappucini (of AIM). Peter Parker. Madison Jeffries. Dr Nemesis. Blue Marvel. M.O.D.O.K. and varies super villains (Dr Ock, Mad Thinker, etc).
In reality I mean how do you even start to compare one to another? I mean three of them have made time-machines? Is that a bench mark of intelligence?
Some they argue have the potential to be in the top 10 but haven't peaked. Like Valeria Richards or Peter Parker. Franklin Richards is incredibly powerful (well at times), but most of his stuff he does with his powers is instinct. And he is smart. But he's like Sue Storm smart. Smarter than most people. Could be an expert in a single field. But not multi-disciplinary renaissance man smart like his father.axlryder said:
Yeah it's all very arbitrary. But the original point is T'Challa is very smart. Like should be able hold a conversation with Tony Stark, Hank Pym or Bruce Banner (as far as super-smart film characters have been introduced).
Edit: Also some characters are naturally smart and might have been able to be in that level had their lives not taken different paths. Like Charles Xavier dedicating himself to mutants rights or Nathan Summers/Cable having to be a soldier his whole life (he effortlessly passed the New York Bar exam without using his powers).
Why are we talking about how unrealistic it is for Black Panther to run really fast when a) he has a suit made of metal that makes him bullet and apparently kinetic-energy proof, b) is the king of the most technologically advanced country on the planet, and c) has multiple explanations in the comics for his superhuman abilities, and NOT talking about how Bucky can run faster than both Black Panther and Captain America?
I believe in the MCU Bucky is meant to have had super-serum experiments performed on him by Russia/Hydra. So he should be around Cap's level. Unlike the comics where he is just well trained.Bob_McMillan said:
I suppose it depends on whether MCU Vibranium works like its comic counterpart.Saelune said:
In the comics, Vibranium absorbs all vibrations and kinetic energy directed at it, storing that energy between the molecular bonds. In short, the more you hit it, the tougher it becomes. But there are limits to that. It can be destroyed by a force greater than its ability to absord, though how much that is depends from writer to writer.
Adamantium, once cooled, is usually stated as being completely indestructible to anything short of other adamantium in the main Marvel comic continuity. It doesn't seem to exist in the MCU though, with Vibranium replacing it. I assume that's because Adamantium is more closely related to Wolverine and the X-Men, and 20th Century Fox owns their movie rights.
And then there's Uru, the metal Mjolnir is made of. It's generally shown as being near indestructible too and capable of defeating any other material, save for Vibranium and Adamantium. I don't think it's been mentioned in the MCU so far.
Well, Id have to assume its mostly the same until described different. Adamantium is mostly just super strong, so I give more credit to a metal with well, super powers. Though I never really thought of how it likely wont appear due to no X-Men.Chimpzy said:
As for Uru, it is so rarely brought up, while Adamantium and Vibranium seem to be given out as candy, despite their rarity or whatever. Plus its magic metal. And have they said what MCU Mjolnir is made of? Cause ya know, aliens.
Just adding my voice to the chorus, but from cartoons I got the vibe of "hereditary royal magic". The King of Wakanda has super powers.
As far as the various super metals go, I always figured Adamantium was the steel of the group. Relatively common, relatively easy to work, very strong. Vibranium would be closer to Titanium. Very strong for its weight, but technically weaker that Adamantium, it's ability to absorb kinetic energy being useful in certain applications like combat, but you wouldn't want to make a girder out of it like you could Adamantium. And Uru is the Tungsten of the group. Very heavy, very hard, comparatively difficult to work. Really needs to be magicked to shine, but hits like a truck.
As far as the various super metals go, I always figured Adamantium was the steel of the group. Relatively common, relatively easy to work, very strong. Vibranium would be closer to Titanium. Very strong for its weight, but technically weaker that Adamantium, it's ability to absorb kinetic energy being useful in certain applications like combat, but you wouldn't want to make a girder out of it like you could Adamantium. And Uru is the Tungsten of the group. Very heavy, very hard, comparatively difficult to work. Really needs to be magicked to shine, but hits like a truck.
Loving all the folk trying to explain how he does what he does in Civil War, you do know that their will be a Black Panther movie that will no doubt give us a back story on how he is able to do what he does? The guy has a fucking jet that is on par with the Quinn Jet that Stark has The Avengers flying around in Age Of Ultron, so we can already say that he has access to some high end tech, it's also been made clear that the Super Solider Serum (or variants of it) is at least fairly common place within the MCU or how about the movie showed us a really good new character with some nice abilities and instead of explaining how he did everything he did it opted to leave us with a wee bit of mystery?
Based on how cozy Tony was acting with the suits in Civil War, my guess is that his actions and time to develop (including gathering Vibranium from Ultron) was nil due to him admitting his part in what happened with that AI.
Anyway, as for the Black Panther, he's getting a movie. I'm waiting to see if there will be any explanations about him or not. I found the scene where the three heroes were outrunning traffic to be a bit unbelievable, I mean if Cap could regularly clock 70km/h (he was passing cars going at least 60km/h, to be generous), why on Earth would he even bother with the motorcycles of his previous movies?
"But Redlin, who cares, it makes the action sequence more awesome!"
Well, yeah. That's likely the logic they used to justify it. Still seems wonky but fine. If we want to get nitpicky on powers and abilities, look no further than Scarlet Witch.
Anyway, as for the Black Panther, he's getting a movie. I'm waiting to see if there will be any explanations about him or not. I found the scene where the three heroes were outrunning traffic to be a bit unbelievable, I mean if Cap could regularly clock 70km/h (he was passing cars going at least 60km/h, to be generous), why on Earth would he even bother with the motorcycles of his previous movies?
"But Redlin, who cares, it makes the action sequence more awesome!"
Well, yeah. That's likely the logic they used to justify it. Still seems wonky but fine. If we want to get nitpicky on powers and abilities, look no further than Scarlet Witch.