How does Wakanda make sense as a nation?

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DISCLAIMER: I have not read the comics. If there is a logical explaination in the comics for the question i am about to ask, let me know
In Civil War we meet T'Challa, the fresh king of Wakanda, a small country neighbouring Nigeria that has been a highly reclusive monarchy for as long as anyone seems to remember. In the movie T'Challa mentions that in the wakandan culture the traditional view of the afterlife entails a sort of elysian field governed by Sekhmet (an egyptian warrrior godess, former bodyguard of Ra, associated with lions) and Bast (an egyptian warrior godess, current bodyguard of Ra, associated with cats). This means that Wakanda has been in isolation since before the conquests of Alexander the Great who inserted the Ptolemaic dynasty which made the olympian gods the new majority religion. Although the most important egyptian gods were retained and the old customs remained vital to society there does not appear to be any greko-roman influences in the culture of Wakanda, nor any colonial, christian, arab or muslim influences. Wakanda is believed to be a primitive third world country but is actually the most technologically advanced and wealthy country on earth and the only one capable of processing vibranium. I get the purpose of Wakanda, to subvert a stereotype regarding african countries that a lot of western audiences believe. these stereotypes are patronising and simply false today. What i don't get about Wakanda is how they became so wealthy and advanced when they are complete isolationists and have been for at least 2500 years. Trade is vital to building up an economy and to exchange knowledge which leads to scientific developement. Today we like to imagine scinetific progress as something that is exclusively made in laboratories but it is more complicated than that and always has been. adapting ideas from other prts of the world will require them to be changed in order to suit local conditions, potentially leading to improvements and discoveries along thee way. Newcoman made the first steam engine but James Watt is much more famous because he improved the existing technology to such an efficient level that it remains an integral part of modern energy production. Local needs and conditions are also a factor in the creation process of innovations. many historians have questioned why the industrial revolution began in england rather than say China, a highly developed country ruch on resources. My answer to that question is: China didn't need the steam engine as much as England. Chinese agriculture and industry was already the most efficient in the world. their main import was silver to be able to make enough coins for their massive economy. england had coual adn iron in abundance but much of it was not only underground but under water as well. the steam engine could efficiently empty out flooded mines and make previously unobtainable resources readily available. At the same time it wasn't england alone that revolutionized industry. ideas, resources and technology from all over europe went into the industrialization. and while englland may have started things off germanny was quick to catch up and improve upon the system with their welfare state. Without the ability to learn from the other powers in the world, how could wakanda possibly have reached the level it did? as for economy Wakanda is rich on vibranium but as several countries have demonstrated resources are not enough. Wakanda doesn't even have any trade partners to sell their resources to or to buy important resources from. and in such a small country the complete reliance on their own market would quickly lead to stgnation. So the question is: How could Wakanda possibly be as advanced as it is?
 

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The enter key. Please, use the enter key. It hurts the eyes to read blocks like this.

Anyway, the answer to the question (If I'm reading this right, which is suspect), is that vibranium is a miracle material. The outside world doesn't have enough of it to realize that it is capable, apparently, of solving every issue. It's the key to just about every scientific and industrial problem, ever, so having it means they can simply brute force their way into utopia. They don't need trade, because vibranium solves every problem. From food production to medical applications to industrial strength, it just does everything.

Is that a bit unrealistic? Yes. But from an inuniverse perspective, it makes sense, as vibranium is pretty much every conceivable unobtainium rolled into one. It fills in every void that most nations would fill through trade.
 

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The head of state is a superhero so it has to be a utopian society, if any social or economic strife existed in his country it would reflect badly on Black Panther to be running around fighting crime whilst ignoring pressing matters of state back home.

Isn't Dr Doom also a head of state? How does the country ruled by a supervillian compare with the one ruled by a superhero?

If Black Panther and Dr Doom fight each other does that mean their countries are at war?
 

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CyanCat47 said:
DISCLAIMER: I have not read the comics. If there is a logical explaination in the comics for the question i am about to ask, let me know
In Civil War we meet T'Challa, the fresh king of Wakanda, a small country neighbouring Nigeria that has been a highly reclusive monarchy for as long as anyone seems to remember. In the movie T'Challa mentions that in the wakandan culture the traditional view of the afterlife entails a sort of elysian field governed by Sekhmet (an egyptian warrrior godess, former bodyguard of Ra, associated with lions) and Bast (an egyptian warrior godess, current bodyguard of Ra, associated with cats). This means that Wakanda has been in isolation since before the conquests of Alexander the Great who inserted the Ptolemaic dynasty which made the olympian gods the new majority religion. Although the most important egyptian gods were retained and the old customs remained vital to society there does not appear to be any greko-roman influences in the culture of Wakanda, nor any colonial, christian, arab or muslim influences. Wakanda is believed to be a primitive third world country but is actually the most technologically advanced and wealthy country on earth and the only one capable of processing vibranium. I get the purpose of Wakanda, to subvert a stereotype regarding african countries that a lot of western audiences believe. these stereotypes are patronising and simply false today. What i don't get about Wakanda is how they became so wealthy and advanced when they are complete isolationists and have been for at least 2500 years. Trade is vital to building up an economy and to exchange knowledge which leads to scientific developement. Today we like to imagine scinetific progress as something that is exclusively made in laboratories but it is more complicated than that and always has been. adapting ideas from other prts of the world will require them to be changed in order to suit local conditions, potentially leading to improvements and discoveries along thee way. Newcoman made the first steam engine but James Watt is much more famous because he improved the existing technology to such an efficient level that it remains an integral part of modern energy production. Local needs and conditions are also a factor in the creation process of innovations. many historians have questioned why the industrial revolution began in england rather than say China, a highly developed country ruch on resources. My answer to that question is: China didn't need the steam engine as much as England. Chinese agriculture and industry was already the most efficient in the world. their main import was silver to be able to make enough coins for their massive economy. england had coual adn iron in abundance but much of it was not only underground but under water as well. the steam engine could efficiently empty out flooded mines and make previously unobtainable resources readily available. At the same time it wasn't england alone that revolutionized industry. ideas, resources and technology from all over europe went into the industrialization. and while englland may have started things off germanny was quick to catch up and improve upon the system with their welfare state. Without the ability to learn from the other powers in the world, how could wakanda possibly have reached the level it did? as for economy Wakanda is rich on vibranium but as several countries have demonstrated resources are not enough. Wakanda doesn't even have any trade partners to sell their resources to or to buy important resources from. and in such a small country the complete reliance on their own market would quickly lead to stgnation. So the question is: How could Wakanda possibly be as advanced as it is?
You're confusing unconquered for isolationist. They absolutely do have trade with the rest of the world, even though they are in a rare position where they are technologically advanced enough that they are able to take care of the majority of their needs. They send their people out into the world to learn, for example T'Challa has a PH.D in physics from Oxford. And they do allow small amounts of vibranium out if the country (hence Cap's shield), but since they have a monopoly on it they sell it at astronomical prices. However that is not all that the country offers, so they are still able to trade goods and services like any other country, they're just very particular about who they let into the country because let's face it, wealthy African nations don't fare too well when they have an open door policy.
 

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Yeah, it's explained in a comic.

They became so advanced by the early discovery of paragraphs.
 

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Zhukov said:
Yeah, it's explained in a comic.

They became so advanced by the early discovery of paragraphs.
I find it just a little bit funny that you didn't use a paragraph either ;)
 

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mduncan50 said:
Zhukov said:
Yeah, it's explained in a comic.

They became so advanced by the early discovery of paragraphs.
I find it just a little bit funny that you didn't use a paragraph either ;)
I used two. Albeit very short ones.
 

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The enter key. Please, use the enter key. It hurts the eyes to read blocks like this.
Funny story, I literally had a girl reject me over this. I messaged her an extremely long confession about my feelings, and she basically said "I liked you too, but that message hurt my eyes so much that I lost interest".

I guess it was an overall positive, since I probably avoided pretty terrible relationship and improved my paragraph formatting in one fell swoop.
 

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axlryder said:
AccursedTheory said:
The enter key. Please, use the enter key. It hurts the eyes to read blocks like this.
Funny story, I literally had a girl reject me over this. I messaged her an extremely long confession about my feelings, and she basically said "I liked you too, but that message hurt my eyes so much that I lost interest".

I guess it was an overall positive, since I probably avoided pretty terrible relationship and improved my paragraph formatting in one fell swoop.
To be fair, love poetry does lose some of its magic when it comes in brick form.
 

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King Billi said:
The head of state is a superhero so it has to be a utopian society, if any social or economic strife existed in his country it would reflect badly on Black Panther to be running around fighting crime whilst ignoring pressing matters of state back home.

Isn't Dr Doom also a head of state? How does the country ruled by a supervillian compare with the one ruled by a superhero?

If Black Panther and Dr Doom fight each other does that mean their countries are at war?
Dr. Doom rules Latveria, it's condition varies by author, but it's generally portrayed as a very advanced nation where the citizenry is well taken care of and most genuinely like being ruled over by Dr. Doom. Generally the main flaw is Doom's own ego, so while the people of Latveria enjoy universal healthcare and Doom's advanced technology, it comes at the cost of personal liberty, basically you get arrested if you say anything bad about Doom and have to put up with being invaded by superheroes on occasion.

Still, Latveria is similar to Wakanda in that the technology is super advanced compared to the rest of the world, to the point where nobody ever invades them, despite being ruled by a super villain with a robot army and magic powers.

Between Wakanda, Latveria, Atlantis, Shambala, Genosha, and all the other weird hidden countries and secret super advanced societies, the only thing keeping the United States and other real countries in the Marvel universe from being completely irrelevant is authorial fiat. Same reason all those countries have sci-fi tech but the countries that exist outside of comics still have mostly 21st century technology, there's always some excuse for why the rest of the world doesn't benefit from the magic and tech in all of Marvel's hidden cities and secret countries.
 

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Vibranium and a lack of realism.

I wont really defend Wakanda from a realistic point, since it and Black Panther are from the 60's. While explaining things was more important by then than the 40's, it still wasn't by much.
 

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It's surrounded on all sides by mountains which cut it off and the people there are apparently just superior to your average human along with having access to minerals seen no where else on Earth.

Black Panther's vibranium suit allows him to easily take hits that would otherwise turn him into a fine powder.
 

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mduncan50 said:
axlryder said:
AccursedTheory said:
The enter key. Please, use the enter key. It hurts the eyes to read blocks like this.
Funny story, I literally had a girl reject me over this. I messaged her an extremely long confession about my feelings, and she basically said "I liked you too, but that message hurt my eyes so much that I lost interest".

I guess it was an overall positive, since I probably avoided pretty terrible relationship and improved my paragraph formatting in one fell swoop.

To be fair, love poetry does lose some of its magic when it comes in brick form.
General Pro-Tip - Most things lose their romantic characteristics when delivered in brick form, whether it be brick-like text, or delivered on, or with, literal bricks.
 

axlryder

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AccursedTheory said:
mduncan50 said:
axlryder said:
AccursedTheory said:
The enter key. Please, use the enter key. It hurts the eyes to read blocks like this.
Funny story, I literally had a girl reject me over this. I messaged her an extremely long confession about my feelings, and she basically said "I liked you too, but that message hurt my eyes so much that I lost interest".

I guess it was an overall positive, since I probably avoided pretty terrible relationship and improved my paragraph formatting in one fell swoop.

To be fair, love poetry does lose some of its magic when it comes in brick form.
General Pro-Tip - Most things lose their romantic characteristics when delivered in brick form, whether it be brick-like text, or delivered on, or with, literal bricks.
Oh....

guess I won't be needing this then

 

mduncan50

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Well no... in addition to the brick you have the spelling and grammatical errors as well. She will not be pleased.
 

axlryder

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mduncan50 said:
Well no... in addition to the brick you have the spelling and grammatical errors as well. She will not be pleased.
Ouch, you know a pun is bad when it's chalked up to a spelling error.
 

mduncan50

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axlryder said:
mduncan50 said:
Well no... in addition to the brick you have the spelling and grammatical errors as well. She will not be pleased.
Ouch, you know a pun is bad when it's chalked up to a spelling error.
What were you trying to go for? Mortarfied? Or even better Mortarfired.
 

axlryder

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mduncan50 said:
axlryder said:
mduncan50 said:
Well no... in addition to the brick you have the spelling and grammatical errors as well. She will not be pleased.
Ouch, you know a pun is bad when it's chalked up to a spelling error.
What were you trying to go for? Mortarfied? Or even better Mortarfired.
Haha, yes, I didn't even notice my own misspelled pun. I'm only now realizing the extent of the grief that Accursed Theory saved me there. I would have never gotten laid!...

Okay, I'll see myself out with that one.
 

mduncan50

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axlryder said:
mduncan50 said:
axlryder said:
mduncan50 said:
Well no... in addition to the brick you have the spelling and grammatical errors as well. She will not be pleased.
Ouch, you know a pun is bad when it's chalked up to a spelling error.
What were you trying to go for? Mortarfied? Or even better Mortarfired.
Haha, yes, I didn't even notice my own misspelled pun. I'm only now realizing the extent of the grief that Accursed Theory saved me there. I would have never gotten laid!...

Okay, I'll see myself out with that one.
Awe, it's okay buddy. It was actually bad enough you may have gotten a pity lay.