How has society shaped you?

[Keoul]

That is bias.

Not only are you presenting the calming down of your friends as a chore, you are also directly saying that what they told you of their bad relationships is what gives you this opinion.

As I said, you can't be bothered with it and it sounds like you are using the bad experiences of your friends as a excuse to not gather experience of your own. That is also precisely what you should have understood under getting a life, not that a relationship makes said life, but that you shouldn't be judging on basis of the experiences of others.

And yes, I am saying this because I am biased, by society, to initially believe you are a idiot until you have proven otherwise. However also because I notice the little things, like the signifigance of you using the word ''Having'', as in, you were forced to do something you didn't want to do, likely because you know yourself that you would be considered a dick if you didn't. Thus your annoyance comes across in little things in your text and helps you in justifying your bias.

My bias is justfied by the masses of people who have wrongfully thought they could bullshit me.

Just because I haven't been in a romantic relationship doesn't mean I'm not pursuing one. I'm using the bad experience of friends as expectations. Isn't the whole "learning" thing in general basing life on the experience of others? every book you read every website you visit is a product of someone else s experience.

The whole "having" is because there is no one else there for them and I'm the only one they have to turn to talk about this kinda stuff since either everyone only cares about the gossip part or they don't trust anyone else to talk about these things. I do it out common decency and the whole nice guy thing

EDIT: I did change a few things up to seem less bias

 

[The Metalist]

Meh, I have a strong dislike of 85% of soceity. Yet I never treat anyone badly, ever. It's because that 15% is worth it, and truth be told, you don't know who that 15% is on face value. For example, I recently met a guy, fit the biker gang stereotype look perfectly; nicest bloke ever, swore like a sailor though.

How that's shaped me though? I'm a sarcastic, cynical, pessimistic, creative, quiet (I generally won't initialize conversation with people I don't have business with or know) intellectual who fights for the greater good though I'm not thoroughly convinced its out there, or that there's enough there to be worth it. Yet I treat everyone with respect until I deem they are not worthy of it anymore, (through their actions, not beliefs) voice my opinion where I deem its needed and aid all, despite my personal feelings for them.

If that's confusing, then that's fair enough, I'm quite confusing emotionally.
Put basically, Im frustrated with society because I can't trust anyone and the vast majority treats you like dirt in their self absorbed little lives, but I continue to good member of society anyway, because distrust and fear of society is what made it what it is today, and breeding more of it is good for no-one.

 

[Doclector]

Put it this way, I'd consider myself a man made monster. When I was really young, I could be considered normal. Sure, I had aspergers syndrome, but I wasn't much more wierd than any other prepubescent kid. Then the bullying started. It was public, and even then, brutal. I was beaten, abused, and always told to try ignoring it.

I got to secondary school, and they promised it would stop. I was probably a little mental by this point, but of course, that wasn't enough for the f***ers. It got worse. It was daily by then. On a few occasions, I was threatened with stuff like pieces of glass, knives, and baseball bats. I became more and more angry, and more and more paranoid. One day, I snapped. Badly beat five of them, and almost throttled one of them. I'll admit, I didn't like it. I loved it. The fear in that f***ers eyes was delicious.

So, I got out, but that left me paranoid and in a new town. As you can imagine, I didn't go out much. Depression came a-knocking. Help did not. This went on for years, and the few friends I did pick up at college came to know and fear my hair trigger temperment. I never wonder why they don't seem to talk to me much even though I have most of them on facebook, because I know.

Now, I'm in uni. The creative freedom of my work allows me both to vent and make use of my scrambled mind. I want to be a horror director, as I've become fascinated with fear. Things are different here. Strange people are welcomed, and thus I'm probably one of the most popular people here, a fact that confuses me even after the better part of a year. Occasionally though, people take issue with me. That angers me. Normal people's lack of knowledge of cause and effect always does. It always seems to be the kind of people who made me the way I am who take issue with the kind of person I've become.

Sorry frankenstein. You just can't put your monster back on that little table. It's loose now.

 

[SamuelT]

Wow. Lots of people here hating society. It kinda surprises me, as I've been through much of the stuff described here. Bullying, threatening, shitty friends, ridicule, physical assault, you name it. And still I've turned out to be a decent person. I try to be nice to other people, beyond the simple howdoyoudo's and whatnot, and don't exactly expect anything in return. The natural high from being nice to others is kinda awesome at times, that if you see strangers eyes light up after you've given them some money to top off a bill, or when you start helping someone who obviously is in need.

Either this is because I've been raised by awesome parents, or it's just something I do. You decide.

 

[Keoul]

First off you're probably right, I HAVE been influence a lot by these people, and it probably has made me biased on the subject of relationships.

That however doesn't change that you can't be bothered with relationships to begin with

I'm putting the needs of others ahead of my own to sustain a relationship, is that not enough to show I'm bothered with them? unless you mean romantic, which is meaningless to discuss since you won't believe me anyway right?

In other words:

Blablabla, blablabla you don't care what I have to say about it anyway blablabla blablabla because you have your own reasons to think that way blablabla bla bla blabla, you may however question the validity of your own reasoning blabla bla which makes you uncomfortable blabla bla bla bla thus you look for outside justification blabla bla.

I also can't be wrong about this.

Seems like a rather childish way of putting it don't you think? I do care about your opinion and what you say, that's why I asked for it when you first posted.
I'd like you to pick holes in my reasoning so that I can improve and understand what makes you feel so adamant that I'm a jibbering moron who's biased that relationships are horrible little things that end in hate.
Also while our little conversation has been going on several other users have also posted about hating everyone, is it because I included relationships in my post that you're still targeting me? I'm beginning to think you've been through the whole "consoling a friend" business or just don't read anyone else posts.

Anyway this thread is all about how society has shaped individuals and evidently it has changed my opinion of people (being mean and cruel and all that) from the stories of bad relationships gossiped about by friends, besides isn't trust a key factor in friendship?

The whole justification thing shouldn't really matter since that's what everyone's trying to do in an argument like the one we're in right now

 

[Gerishnakov]

I've been here, and I think for me it basically turned out that my quality of life was so poor I had to take it on other people. I didn't realise that at the time of course, I just had to correct the symptoms so my girlfriend at the time wouldn't break up with me (we are now not together anymore, for related, but not the same, reasons).

I think the best you can do is certainly try to correct your symptoms, but also look at why you're still being made to act this way now. Are there people in your life who rile you? Perhaps you should talk to your girlfriend about slowly cutting them out of your life together, or even approaching them about your issues, if you know them well enough. I realise the cutting out option could be difficult, if for instance these people are your girlfriend's friends, and I'm certainly not going to advocate breaking up because that's not my business, but you definitely need to be honest and consider all options.

If I had done the above, and subsequently broken up with my now-ex in the first year of our relationship, instead of letting it slowly fall apart over the course of five, I would be a very different person.

Anyway to answer the thread question for myself: I don't think I've been greatly shaped by society. Most of my personality shaping was done by the time I was 10, but like many others here, I was bullied as a child for being shy and quiet and I suppose that has left a lasting impression in that I am incredibly slow to trust. New relationships, friendships and romances, are also really slow burning. It can take me months to let a new person in.

 

[Phasmal]

I think because of my upbringing and enviroment I was always... (How is a nice way to put this?) um...ready for a fight.

Let me clarify a little, I wouldn't say I'm a person who looks for fights (and I haven't been in a fight for years), but because of the voilence at home and because I went to a secondary school where fights were common, I became kind of hyper-vigilant to it, ready to defend myself.

Its silly when you're an adult and no longer in that situation, when me and my boyfriend are having an argument I have to remind myself he's not going to try and start a physical fight.
(That doesn't mean I cower if he gets angry, when he gets angry my body goes `Get ready to fight!`).

But that doesn't mean I blame society, its just a conditioned reflex really, and I'm improving it myself.

 

[JoJo]

Wow. Lots of people here hating society. It kinda surprises me, as I've been through much of the stuff described here. Bullying, threatening, shitty friends, ridicule, physical assault, you name it. And still I've turned out to be a decent person. I try to be nice to other people, beyond the simple howdoyoudo's and whatnot, and don't exactly expect anything in return. The natural high from being nice to others is kinda awesome at times, that if you see strangers eyes light up after you've given them some money to top off a bill, or when you start helping someone who obviously is in need.

Either this is because I've been raised by awesome parents, or it's just something I do. You decide.

I agree with Sam. I went through a lot of that stuff too and I think I turned out a good person (at-least I hope am). Having other people act like dicks to you may be a reason to be a dick but it isn't an excuse. Dicking around the people who dick you? Sure go ahead, that's understandable. Dicking around other people though makes you no better than the dicks in the first place. If you're a good person then you'll continue to be one regardless of how the world is.

Frankly I'm a little disappointed, I thought we got past this whole "I hate society and I'm a jaded cynical intellectual" phase months ago. More often that not it seems that hating society is way for people to cover up their insecurities and feel superior to other people. Generally once you get know them most people are awesome, everyone has their flaws of course but that just keeps it interesting.

 

[Tipsy Giant]

Society has shown me the best and worst of ourselves, it has educated me in how to behave, it has sculpted my understanding of morality and made me less judgemental.

I have realised that we are weak when we consume ourselves with concern of how we are perceived and we are at our greatest when we challenge long standing myths.

I believe that society is just the accumulated personalities of the people within the society and it is a mirror of ourselves, so I live by the old saying "be the change you want to see" as just moaning gets you nowhere

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

I often wonder that myself. I was generally a kind loving boy. I do remember being taking advantage of and bullied in school, going through a lot of stress and failing my classes.

I remember my mom going from general caregiver to a man hater.

I guess in the end I had to of turned out the way I did because of the way I was treated. I preferred to be alone with my "own kind". Because everyone else was mean. Thats when things turned around.

Doesn't give me or anyone else an excuse to treat others badly though. We should better ourselves regardless of the crap that is thrown in our faces.

 

[sora8021]

I would say that Society has shaped me for the better actually. When I was a child I lived with my mother for a good 5 to 7 years, during that time I lived in slums, where I was taught to deceive, cheat, and manipulate my way through life. But then when my father and mother moved back in, I lived three years with both of them, then we moved to a different state. When we came back, my father wanted my mother to work so she could help pay bills, but she could never keep a job. During this time she also called me out of school a lot and offered to pretty much everyday. I was starting to knotting she wasn't the best role model for me, and over time I grew to detest her for her corruptness ways on me and her bad influence. After that I started to get a real nice group of friends who are friends, where I can be myself and state my opinion on anything, and not fear them hating me for it. A kind, accepting, and funny group of friends. I also am really kind , nice, helpful, and all that. But outside of being helpful, seeing as how I was 'evil' in my past, I have gotten a infamous labeling in my school. Pretty much everyone in my grade at least knows me, and I can do and say what I want without fear of being bullied. But I choose to live a good life, and I rather help others, fix problems, learn, have good deep conversations with others, and generally have good fun. Oh yeah, I also have firm believes in equality, fairness, and everyone is equal and have a burning hatred for, well, hatred, or more to say prejudice.

 

[sora8021]

I would say that Society has shaped me for the better actually. When I was a child I lived with my mother for a good 5 to 7 years, during that time I lived in slums, where I was taught to deceive, cheat, and manipulate my way through life. But then when my father and mother moved back in, I lived three years with both of them, then we moved to a different state. When we came back, my father wanted my mother to work so she could help pay bills, but she could never keep a job. During this time she also called me out of school a lot and offered to pretty much everyday. I was starting to knotting she wasn't the best role model for me, and over time I grew to detest her for her corruptness ways on me and her bad influence. After that I started to get a real nice group of friends who are friends, where I can be myself and state my opinion on anything, and not fear them hating me for it. A kind, accepting, and funny group of friends. I also am really kind , nice, helpful, and all that. But outside of being helpful, seeing as how I was 'evil' in my past, I have gotten a infamous labeling in my school. Pretty much everyone in my grade at least knows me, and I can do and say what I want without fear of being bullied. But I choose to live a good life, and I rather help others, fix problems, learn, have good deep conversations with others, and generally have good fun. Oh yeah, I also have firm believes in equality, fairness, and everyone is equal and have a burning hatred for, well, hatred, or more to say prejudice.

 

[sora8021]

I would say that Society has shaped me for the better actually. When I was a child I lived with my mother for a good 5 to 7 years, during that time I lived in slums, where I was taught to deceive, cheat, and manipulate my way through life. But then when my father and mother moved back in, I lived three years with both of them, then we moved to a different state. When we came back, my father wanted my mother to work so she could help pay bills, but she could never keep a job. During this time she also called me out of school a lot and offered to pretty much everyday. I was starting to knotting she wasn't the best role model for me, and over time I grew to detest her for her corruptness ways on me and her bad influence. After that I started to get a real nice group of friends who are friends, where I can be myself and state my opinion on anything, and not fear them hating me for it. A kind, accepting, and funny group of friends. I also am really kind , nice, helpful, and all that. But outside of being helpful, seeing as how I was 'evil' in my past, I have gotten a infamous labeling in my school. Pretty much everyone in my grade at least knows me, and I can do and say what I want without fear of being bullied. But I choose to live a good life, and I rather help others, fix problems, learn, have good deep conversations with others, and generally have good fun. Oh yeah, I also have firm believes in equality, fairness, and everyone is equal and have a burning hatred for, well, hatred, or more to say prejudice.

 

[sora8021]

I would say that Society has shaped me for the better actually. When I was a child I lived with my mother for a good 5 to 7 years, during that time I lived in slums, where I was taught to deceive, cheat, and manipulate my way through life. But then when my father and mother moved back in, I lived three years with both of them, then we moved to a different state. When we came back, my father wanted my mother to work so she could help pay bills, but she could never keep a job. During this time she also called me out of school a lot and offered to pretty much everyday. I was starting to knotting she wasn't the best role model for me, and over time I grew to detest her for her corruptness ways on me and her bad influence. After that I started to get a real nice group of friends who are friends, where I can be myself and state my opinion on anything, and not fear them hating me for it. A kind, accepting, and funny group of friends. I also am really kind , nice, helpful, and all that. But outside of being helpful, seeing as how I was 'evil' in my past, I have gotten a infamous labeling in my school. Pretty much everyone in my grade at least knows me, and I can do and say what I want without fear of being bullied. But I choose to live a good life, and I rather help others, fix problems, learn, have good deep conversations with others, and generally have good fun. Oh yeah, I also have firm believes in equality, fairness, and everyone is equal and have a burning hatred for, well, hatred, or more to say prejudice.

 

[sora8021]

I would say that Society has shaped me for the better actually. When I was a child I lived with my mother for a good 5 to 7 years, during that time I lived in slums, where I was taught to deceive, cheat, and manipulate my way through life. But then when my father and mother moved back in, I lived three years with both of them, then we moved to a different state. When we came back, my father wanted my mother to work so she could help pay bills, but she could never keep a job. During this time she also called me out of school a lot and offered to pretty much everyday. I was starting to knotting she wasn't the best role model for me, and over time I grew to detest her for her corruptness ways on me and her bad influence. After that I started to get a real nice group of friends who are friends, where I can be myself and state my opinion on anything, and not fear them hating me for it. A kind, accepting, and funny group of friends. I also am really kind , nice, helpful, and all that. But outside of being helpful, seeing as how I was 'evil' in my past, I have gotten a infamous labeling in my school. Pretty much everyone in my grade at least knows me, and I can do and say what I want without fear of being bullied. But I choose to live a good life, and I rather help others, fix problems, learn, have good deep conversations with others, and generally have good fun. Oh yeah, I also have firm believes in equality, fairness, and everyone is equal and have a burning hatred for, well, hatred, or more to say prejudice.

 

[sora8021]

I would say that Society has shaped me for the better actually. When I was a child I lived with my mother for a good 5 to 7 years, during that time I lived in slums, where I was taught to deceive, cheat, and manipulate my way through life. But then when my father and mother moved back in, I lived three years with both of them, then we moved to a different state. When we came back, my father wanted my mother to work so she could help pay bills, but she could never keep a job. During this time she also called me out of school a lot and offered to pretty much everyday. I was starting to knotting she wasn't the best role model for me, and over time I grew to detest her for her corruptness ways on me and her bad influence. After that I started to get a real nice group of friends who are friends, where I can be myself and state my opinion on anything, and not fear them hating me for it. A kind, accepting, and funny group of friends. I also am really kind , nice, helpful, and all that. But outside of being helpful, seeing as how I was 'evil' in my past, I have gotten a infamous labeling in my school. Pretty much everyone in my grade at least knows me, and I can do and say what I want without fear of being bullied. But I choose to live a good life, and I rather help others, fix problems, learn, have good deep conversations with others, and generally have good fun. Oh yeah, I also have firm believes in equality, fairness, and everyone is equal and have a burning hatred for, well, hatred, or more to say prejudice.

 

[sora8021]

I would say that Society has shaped me for the better actually. When I was a child I lived with my mother for a good 5 to 7 years, during that time I lived in slums, where I was taught to deceive, cheat, and manipulate my way through life. But then when my father and mother moved back in, I lived three years with both of them, then we moved to a different state. When we came back, my father wanted my mother to work so she could help pay bills, but she could never keep a job. During this time she also called me out of school a lot and offered to pretty much everyday. I was starting to knotting she wasn't the best role model for me, and over time I grew to detest her for her corruptness ways on me and her bad influence. After that I started to get a real nice group of friends who are friends, where I can be myself and state my opinion on anything, and not fear them hating me for it. A kind, accepting, and funny group of friends. I also am really kind , nice, helpful, and all that. But outside of being helpful, seeing as how I was 'evil' in my past, I have gotten a infamous labeling in my school. Pretty much everyone in my grade at least knows me, and I can do and say what I want without fear of being bullied. But I choose to live a good life, and I rather help others, fix problems, learn, have good deep conversations with others, and generally have good fun. Oh yeah, I also have firm believes in equality, fairness, and everyone is equal and have a burning hatred for, well, hatred, or more to say prejudice.