I figure by 2023 there will be virtually no way to hide your identity anywhere. I will than be forced to wear a mask at all times and never say anything to implicate my identity.
How important is Privacy?
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I agree with that last statement, but I would like to add this:Zyst said:
Marketing can either be a tool for business optimization (which reduces costs for all involved in the long run) or a hustle designed to trick people into buying shit they wouldn't have wanted and/or needed.
Controlling who gets your information is a good step towards helping those who produce goods/services you might actually use, while trying to keep it out of the hands of those who want to swindle and spam you.
Well, I don't think phones, social networks ect. are an invasion of privacy, since you choose to use them.
I also don't think CCTV cameras or the like are invasions of privacy, I mean they don't see into your home do they?
And with all this fuss over the News of the World phonehacking, I suspect we will see a big clamp on any privacy violating stuff, at least for a while.
I also don't think CCTV cameras or the like are invasions of privacy, I mean they don't see into your home do they?
And with all this fuss over the News of the World phonehacking, I suspect we will see a big clamp on any privacy violating stuff, at least for a while.
.Ulquiorra4sama said:
Nay, while I respect your opinion, and think it's spot on with your first argument (Bolded for clarity sake).
I don't specifically agree with the second one. Yes, marketing is also meant for getting people to buy some shit they don't need. How ever, you also mentioned you didn't think all people were equally smart. Well, if you are making that remark then I am 100% sure you consider yourself to be on the "smarter side" of the population. Don't blame you, everyone does, moving on. If you are smart, then you will be able to successfully avoid their scary plots to sell you stuff you don't need.
Addressing now the second point:
No; I know what you mean, and I am quite sure that at a small scope (Such as the one you and I share socially) we might seem pretty unique, but you aren't looking at the big picture. The big picture where there's 6.94 BILLION people on the world right now. [source]. In that scenario it's Mathematically impossible to be unique. Maybe no one has your name - age - personality combination (Though likely someone will). But millions will have your name, millions will have your age, and millions will have your personality. You are really nothing more than a number for marketers.
What I was getting to is that while people get enraged about the loss of personal information, here's the kick: No one who actually USES that information gives a shit. No one cares that you have 2 puppies, or that you have had 3 broken relationships this last year. What they care about is that you are more prompt to buy Puppy clothing and Tissues. You, and I are no more than a point in a statistical graph too huge for us to even comprehend. Yes, individuality is no more than a mirage gained from our lack of perspective. Hell, I don't know one single person that is like me, I really understand how that can lead to thinking that we are unique.
But odds are, you aren't, you've never been and you never will.
Might sound a bit pessimistic, but it's true.
Don't you know? I'm watching you right now. Yes, YOU....MWahahahahahahha.
Well, I could be, if I cared...at least find your home on Google, and the like. Not really interested or worth the effort unless I had a reason though.
Like, say, planning tactics and strategy for my invasion plans. That I don't have. Really. Or so the voices keep telling me I'm supposed to say.
More seriously, privacy is good, but at this point, essentially you have exactly as much as you put the effort into keeping for yourself...and likely far, far less than you think you do. Anyone with a serious interest can find out quite a lot about you if you put any real accurate information out there on the net about you. If they know your name and hometown, you're pretty much compromised.
Well, I could be, if I cared...at least find your home on Google, and the like. Not really interested or worth the effort unless I had a reason though.
Like, say, planning tactics and strategy for my invasion plans. That I don't have. Really. Or so the voices keep telling me I'm supposed to say.
More seriously, privacy is good, but at this point, essentially you have exactly as much as you put the effort into keeping for yourself...and likely far, far less than you think you do. Anyone with a serious interest can find out quite a lot about you if you put any real accurate information out there on the net about you. If they know your name and hometown, you're pretty much compromised.
Nothing in life is private that doesn't exist only in your head. Privacy is not an issue nor has it ever been.
You bring a level of rationality not worthy of this board. I give you thee my greatest regards in your future endeavors.Zyst said:
I relish the thought, in a misanthropic kind of way, that people actually think they are unique/beautiful snowflakes. It's that kind of elementary and childish drivel we been feed that keeps us from reflecting on our relationship with the rest of the human world and society in general.
i think we all enjoy it, but it isnt necessary, you can either be private or transparent, and i think we know which one we like from the government, dont we, wait a minute...
I guess we can thank human nature for having us deny the big picture when it comes to these things. We want to be special, and i don't see anything wrong with that. The chances of bumping into someone with same personality as you is miniscule and apart from those who wish to be exactly like everybody else there's not gonna be many clones to go around.Zyst said:
I know some people aren't exactly originals in any respect. Look around you in class. Slap yourself in the face for ever blonde, spray-on taned chick you see hanging out in a bunch with 5-10 other people exactly like her(slight height variations may occur) and you'll faint before long.
Though i try to be kind of an original so i narrow down the crowd of people who are like me. Though i guess no matter how much of a "freak" one may be, the expression "there's someone out there for all of us" turnsthe fact that there will be someone like you out there into something positive.
If something is unclear just ask. It's a little late here so my sentence structure isn't exactly at it's best right now.
I'm a fairly private person. Though I have a facebook account, I never use it. I have three email addresses, a cookie-wiper, and multiple fake online identities. The one I use on here is also the one I use for Fanfiction.net, which I don't mind saying. If anyone knows enough about me to piece together my online trail, then they know me well enough to have already figured it out.
I'm generally ok for data used for marketing purposes, as long as it stays within boundaries. I'm fie with Bioware collecting data on how I played ME2, but not with Origin scanning my computer for every program I have installed.
For public-level knowledge, the only way I can seem remotely interesting to a non-geek is through the "mystery man" outlook. Which I do so naturally. So I would hate it if someone could look up my name and find out everything about me.
I'm generally ok for data used for marketing purposes, as long as it stays within boundaries. I'm fie with Bioware collecting data on how I played ME2, but not with Origin scanning my computer for every program I have installed.
For public-level knowledge, the only way I can seem remotely interesting to a non-geek is through the "mystery man" outlook. Which I do so naturally. So I would hate it if someone could look up my name and find out everything about me.
I think we are discussing two different types of privacy here. Obviously, anyone using a computer is leaving a trail that various corporations can follow if they decide to do so. Not much to be done about that. And, honestly, even if there was, I doubt I'd care. No one at Google knows me or will ever interact with me in a way to make me care what they know in their databases. Worst case scenario is that they'll database all my hobbies and interests, and start advertising things I actually want.
But just because I don't mind Google having that information doesn't mean I want YOU to have it. If I want to share something about myself with you, I'll tell you. I think that's what most people talk about when they worry about the lack of privacy online. I may not be unique compared to almost 7 billion other people, but I only interact with a few thousand of them, and that makes me much more likely to be unique to them.
But just because I don't mind Google having that information doesn't mean I want YOU to have it. If I want to share something about myself with you, I'll tell you. I think that's what most people talk about when they worry about the lack of privacy online. I may not be unique compared to almost 7 billion other people, but I only interact with a few thousand of them, and that makes me much more likely to be unique to them.
I am a private person. I don't like Facebook all that much and haven't been on it in about 2-3 months. I like having my privacy on the internet because I don't really think it's anyones business where I live and what my phone number is and so on and so forth. I wouldn't go walking down the street telling people my home address and my contact number, or anything like that so why would I do it on the internet?
I don't mind telling people my name, my age and what general area I am from (i.e what county I was born in), but not much more than that.
I don't mind telling people my name, my age and what general area I am from (i.e what county I was born in), but not much more than that.
Any information that I would give out on a social networking site really isn't important anyway and I'm not paranoid or egotistical enough to think that someone is looking for information to use against me or that I have a stalker. No one in my boring IRL dayly life knows I'm on the escapist, so with that anonymity I'm at more liberty to divulge things that I wouldn't on one of those social networking sites. I like my privacy, but I'm not worried that our technology is going to be the cause of revealing more information then I'm willing to share as there's nothing I have to give to those sites if I don't want to and like I said I'm not paranoid enough to think that there are people digging up information on me.
What? Do you believe that I'm lying in my profile?
Real Name: Doopliss
Location: Creepy Steeple
Birthdate: July 22, 1994
Occupation: Bell Tower Operator
Motto: I said my name's DOOPLISS!
Interests: Turning villagers to pigs, slick.
Of course not. I would never lie.
Real Name: Doopliss
Location: Creepy Steeple
Birthdate: July 22, 1994
Occupation: Bell Tower Operator
Motto: I said my name's DOOPLISS!
Interests: Turning villagers to pigs, slick.
Of course not. I would never lie.
I have no issues giving my name(real one), birth date, e-mail, or credit card number (so long as they make me input the security code every time I make a purchase) to online services. That's the kind of stuff you give out in off-line interactions, and I haven't seen anyone complain about Target or Wal-mart getting credit card info from shoppers or whine about giving out their phone number to other people.
So long as the recipient of your information is known to you, and is known to be trustworthy with personal data, we shouldn't be so worried. The majority of the human race is made up of decent people. Sure, that portion of scum-bags who try to make a living off of betraying trust can ruin lots of lives, but taking personal responsibility for keeping track of our contacts and money flow can protect us from that better than anything else.
So long as the recipient of your information is known to you, and is known to be trustworthy with personal data, we shouldn't be so worried. The majority of the human race is made up of decent people. Sure, that portion of scum-bags who try to make a living off of betraying trust can ruin lots of lives, but taking personal responsibility for keeping track of our contacts and money flow can protect us from that better than anything else.
Put a camera in you bathroom and hook it up to a live web stream, you will quickly realize how important privacy is.