I read itEdward_Bear said:
And what you say is pretty worrying. All the more reason to make an effort to remember what actually happened so new generations don't buy into this whole conspiracy nonsense.
How is 9/11 viewed internationally?
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And what you say is pretty worrying. All the more reason to make an effort to remember what actually happened so new generations don't buy into this whole conspiracy nonsense.
Personally I take a moment to respect the dead and the families that lost members as I do with what horrible events I remember. Beyond that though it disgusts me how much it is played up for the hate machine a full decade later.
While it was absolutely awful I feel the need to remind other Americans who maintain we did nothing to provoke it that we screwed with the governments and funded groups like this in the Middle East for decades before 9/11. Not only that but our reaction to the attacks and the cheering over the execution of Saddam Hussein and the death of Osama were disgusting. To cheer for another man's death, even if they are a scumbag is horrible.
So short version, I sympathize with families and recognize that it was big and important, but would love it if my country would properly respect the dead and not use them for political gain. We should take a minute to respect the dead, but we shouldn't constantly remind families that the day their loved ones died is coming.
I'm American by the way.
While it was absolutely awful I feel the need to remind other Americans who maintain we did nothing to provoke it that we screwed with the governments and funded groups like this in the Middle East for decades before 9/11. Not only that but our reaction to the attacks and the cheering over the execution of Saddam Hussein and the death of Osama were disgusting. To cheer for another man's death, even if they are a scumbag is horrible.
So short version, I sympathize with families and recognize that it was big and important, but would love it if my country would properly respect the dead and not use them for political gain. We should take a minute to respect the dead, but we shouldn't constantly remind families that the day their loved ones died is coming.
I'm American by the way.
I agree that we should start to get over it, but I also feel like 9/11 should still be remembered as a great tragedy because it was. Sure civilians die everyday in war, but you all need to realize that at the time of 9/11 America was a major superpower, and we hadn't had an attack on our soil for 60 years-especially not on the scale 9/11 was. And to have that all change because of a couple of terrorists from a country that let's face the facts, is not a superpower and probably won't be anytime soon is absolutely shocking. It'd be like if England's Navy was attacked in their own harbors/ports with 3,000+ people killed by a pack of Natives back in the late 1700s, it'd be absolutely mind boggling and tragic.
I can see New York always holding a ceremony.
I can see those who had loved ones lost visiting the memorial every year.
I can see the firemen walking in a parade for their honor.
I can see almost every American taking a moment of silence for those who lost their lives.
Beyond that, I don't see much.
I can see those who had loved ones lost visiting the memorial every year.
I can see the firemen walking in a parade for their honor.
I can see almost every American taking a moment of silence for those who lost their lives.
Beyond that, I don't see much.
I live in the U.S and personally I don't really care. I was in 3rd grade when it happened so naturally I couldn't understand what was going on. One of my friends back then, his father died there on 9/11 as a firefighter.I've seen the videos and all but still I don't feel anything. But as far as I see it today it's like the US keeps opening and old wound and pouring salt in it. Also, my Sunday comics were ruined because of the "Never forget" thing... A little irritated yes.
I can't really speak for other South Africans per se, but we have enough of our own problems. Realistically, if it was not for the barrage of documentaries that come out each year around this time, I reckon I would not even remember it at all.
My sympathies go out to the families who lost loved ones on this day 10 years ago, but I have the same sympathy for the families who lose loved ones every day to senseless violent crime in this beautiful country of ours.
My sympathies go out to the families who lost loved ones on this day 10 years ago, but I have the same sympathy for the families who lose loved ones every day to senseless violent crime in this beautiful country of ours.
Why would you apologize for being who you are? Do you honestly think that people say "Sorry if I sound really Canadian (or any other nationality, for that matter)"?Singularly Datarific said:
Don't let these foreigners bring you down. Be proud of who you are.
Cheshire the Cat said:
I agree with you that it's a bit much for people to still be so butthurt about it, but I don't think you really understand what it's like. As somebody living in north New Jersey (a half an hour's drive to the towers), it sort of hits home. It was the first attack on our soil since pearl harbor. And it was totally unprovoked. For me it was less about the people killed. For me it was more about how there are people out there who hate my country, hate ME, and want to see us burn to death. It's also somewhat symbolic: The largest building in the world, situated within the most powerful country in the world, being taken down by a bunch of savages. We never saw it coming, and I guess that's why it hurts extra.
In case you forgot, 9/11 (or 11/9) started a war. A war which we are still somehow fighting 10 years later.
As a US citizen, the loss of almost 3000 people on Sept. 11 is tragic. As I did not know anyone personally who died at the WTC, it is not the focal point of what I think about when Sept 11 comes up. Looking back on the last decade, I saw liberty be sacrificed for security, an already corrupt system become worse, an powerful economy that took a nose dive, soldiers fighting and dying for no reason, basic human rights denied, racism and hatred skyrocketed, the media became a laughing stock, and a laundry list of other issues that have contributed to the fall of the US. All of it made possible by apathy, greed, and uninformed masses feeding an abhorrent xenophobia. People are letting their lives be controlled by fear. The change we wanted is not the change we received.
On an international level the loss is greater. Due to the US's response to the attack, multiple countries are destabilized, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are dead (200K at least), and the world economy is in an uncertain state. Feel free to add to this list, my knowledge of how the US's response has affected other countries around the world is limited.
For me, Sept. 11 signifies the day when the world changed for the worse. I'm right there with Benjamin Franklin, "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
On another note, Sept 11 in Chile means something completely different. On 11/9/2011 (the date as it is written internationally), General Augusto Pinochet initiated a coup d'état against DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED President Salvador Allende with the financial backing of the United States of America, thus beginning a military dictatorship marred by severe human rights violations. If you are seeing bunch of parallels here, trust me you are not the only one.
If it seems "unamerican" for me to think in this manner than I invite you to remember what the US used to stand for.
On an international level the loss is greater. Due to the US's response to the attack, multiple countries are destabilized, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are dead (200K at least), and the world economy is in an uncertain state. Feel free to add to this list, my knowledge of how the US's response has affected other countries around the world is limited.
For me, Sept. 11 signifies the day when the world changed for the worse. I'm right there with Benjamin Franklin, "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
On another note, Sept 11 in Chile means something completely different. On 11/9/2011 (the date as it is written internationally), General Augusto Pinochet initiated a coup d'état against DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED President Salvador Allende with the financial backing of the United States of America, thus beginning a military dictatorship marred by severe human rights violations. If you are seeing bunch of parallels here, trust me you are not the only one.
If it seems "unamerican" for me to think in this manner than I invite you to remember what the US used to stand for.
ha.Kadoodle said:
oh, wait, you are serious. let me laugh even harder.
HA!
seriously though, take a look of u.s. involvement in the middle east before the attacks. deliberate destabilization, support of extremists, toppling democraticly elected leaders to install bloodthirsty dictators, systematic exploitation. the whole program.
every country has some bodies in the basement. the usa are no exeption. on the contrary, they probably had to set up a whole crematory in the cellar.
I'm Canadian and I view this as a tragedy, however there is a very small minority that I find annoying. the people who are more than willing to make a holocaust joke at any point but go in to a blood-rage over one about nine-eleven, just because it happend recently and to America doesn't make it worse. victims of the holocaust are still alive too. I wouldn't joke about either but get this through your heads: 6 million > 2996.
also not an anti war blah blah message but lets just try to remember the middle eastern casualties. they deserve to be mourned as well.
Iraq:62,570 to 1,124,000 deaths
Afghanistan: 10,960 and 49,600
Pakistan: between 1467 and 2334
Oh and building on B-Rye comment, wow... you guys did exactly what they wanted you to do
all that said my deepest sympathies go out to the families of 9/11 victim's
also not an anti war blah blah message but lets just try to remember the middle eastern casualties. they deserve to be mourned as well.
Iraq:62,570 to 1,124,000 deaths
Afghanistan: 10,960 and 49,600
Pakistan: between 1467 and 2334
Oh and building on B-Rye comment, wow... you guys did exactly what they wanted you to do
all that said my deepest sympathies go out to the families of 9/11 victim's
I'll be honest, I remember where I was, chiefly because we watched it live on TV during afternoon break at school. As far as the event itself, there's no question it was a historic event, in my opinion mainly down to America's reaction. Hopefully, now that the tenth anniversary is done with, the US will get over itself about it. And then I won't have to listen to anymore disgusted rantings in the pub about which nation fed so much money to the IRA during the Troubles and we can all move on.
Unfortunately the real tragedy came from the reaction, not the attack. America used 3000 dead as an excuse for 2 wars resulting in well over 150,000 casualties. Any sympathy I felt has long been replaced by anger at the sheer injustice of the response.Lil devils x said:
Sympathy for who? You in particular? Did you lose family/friends? If so, then you have my sympathy. But;tehpiemaker said:
If you expect sympathy just because you are American you are very naive. Does America as a country, have sympathy for the thousands of people who die EVERY day in Africa from malaria...? Nope.
I'm from Canada, and I don't really give a fuck about it anymore. In fact, hearing about it pisses me off. Since the twin towers fell, far worse shit has happened, but that shit has been ignored after the customary "month of media attention". Just because it happened to America doesn't mean it's more important.
As an American, I guess I can't say much without sounding a bit biased. So I apologize if I offend anyone.
However, to those comparing the deaths of other tragedies to ours: don't you think it's somewhat disrespectful to the victims of both? The value of human life in my opinion shouldn't be determined by numbers or who specifically died. What matters is that on both ends, people died. On both ends, people have lost their loved ones to forces out of their control.
Why do we need to fight about this kind of thing? Why can't we just stop only looking at what's different and instead focus on what we have in common?
However, to those comparing the deaths of other tragedies to ours: don't you think it's somewhat disrespectful to the victims of both? The value of human life in my opinion shouldn't be determined by numbers or who specifically died. What matters is that on both ends, people died. On both ends, people have lost their loved ones to forces out of their control.
Why do we need to fight about this kind of thing? Why can't we just stop only looking at what's different and instead focus on what we have in common?
