How is 9/11 viewed internationally?

[zigzigzigbah]

Also the joke: What happened on November 9th?

It's not a joke... In other countries (like here in Australia) we put the day before the month when we write the date.

Nevertheless, I've never heard anyone say eleven-nine... just nine-eleven or september-eleven.

Since when dude?
I'm from Australia too and we never say that nor have I heard anyone say it.
Its only the US that use the 9/11 format
we use 11/9

 

[StBishop]

there is a reason Americans write the date differently
if you were to pronounce every word in the date (today being 9/11) it would go like this
American- 9/11/11- when pronounced it says september 11th 2011
Europe- 11/9/11- when pronounced it says 11th of september 2011
the fact is Americans are just writing the way they pronounce it.
Honostly Ive never heard someone pronounce the date then the month then the year. (seen it written but never spoken)

It's probably been said, but the only date I know of said month-day is today. Sept 11. And only because it's practically a band name now. Also, it's an American tragedy, makes sense to use American date format.

I say all dates (as does every single person I know) in the correct, day-month-year format.

My birthday, for example, is the 28th of August. In August I say the 28th and people know it's this month.

It works quite well.

For reference, I live in Australia.

Yes, I know most people dont usally say the month or year, but you do see the resoning behind why we write the way we do.

Sorry I didn't make it clear. I mean that we say "28th of August", not "August the 28th".

 

[StBishop]

the reason i have known that we do it that way, is because of the number formatting

(smallest amount of numbers)/(second smallest amount)/(largest-infinite amount)
month/day/year
(1-12)/(1-31)/(1-99999999999999999999999999999999999999999)
also for computer purposes, dating them that way is much much handier when you are going through documents by date.

now i'm not saying that is the CORRECT way, as so many people besides americans seem to dictate, i'm just showing the reason why, at least i was taught, as to why we do that.

I suppose. In filing we just flip it to year/month/day.

I understand that reason, but it still seems less logical than most to least specific time format.

To be honest a better explanation would be if your format was yyyy/mm/dd and you simply used the "if it's this year you don't need to say the year" thing. Much better excuse in my mind.

 

[BlueMage]

[small]In Australia, though, we get the same thing. Every year on ANZAC we "celebrate" the andings at Gallipoli by getting drunk and forgetting what it was about, which war it was part of, who was involved and who won. Politcally useful, but pisses me off no end.[/small]

Oh good, I'm not the only one.

 

[orangecharger]

Canada: I watched a few NFL games yesterday so I got my fair share of reminders and images of 9/11. The images themselves are still heart wrenching and brought me back to where I was on the day that it happened. My wife works for Ab-Inbev and so the Budweiser commercial with the horses taking a knee facing the NY Skyline got replayed in our house - the Tom Coughlin story about his son escaping tower two just in time - these things still evoked an emotional response. It was the response of sadness and sorrow and eyes got misty.

In the sobering daylight of 9/12/2011 - I think back to the first time those images were on tv and they were used to illicit a different kind of emotional response. The news cycle wanted to make sure everyone saw those images and were intended to both stir fear and anger. The people while part of the tragedy on the day, were secondary to the event itself. The destruction, the audacity, and will there be retaliation - those were the items of the day.

The frenzy that lead the US to the subsequent wars seems to have faded. Sorrow, sympathy, remembrance of the heroes, ruled the day yesterday. At least on the network I was watching. I thought it was going to be used as means to build more support for ongoing incursions in the Gulf region. It wasn't. I was relieved for the focus shift that 10 years have brought.

I will never forget.

 

[NoDamnNames]

NZ. Not cared about in the slightest. In fact[footnote]Though to be fair this is just from people I have spoken to about it.[/footnote] people find it distasteful that americans still go on and on about it like it was such a big thing. And the whole "They attacked us!" is disgusting.

Simple fact is this, unless you actually lost a family member in the attack then you really need to stfu about it and stop acting as if it had anything to do with you.

Oh and internationally its viewed 11/9. <.<

I agree, and this is coming from the same country that dropped the bombs on Japan!

 

[Terrara]

I remember we had lessons on how it is important not to forget dates such as 11th of September. But really, we have a lot of things going on too, and people are dying like flies in Russia from various "terrorist" attacks so... nieh (Sorry if I sound disrespectful)

 

[Vault Citizen]

When it comes to the date thing I usually call it 9/11. I'm British and so for everything else I will use the dd/mm format but seeing as it was America was attacked and it was mostly American lives that were lost I think they have the right to dictate what order of numbers is used for talking about the day.

 

[Ayjona]

The loss of lives is always a tragedy, certainly when on this scale. 9/11 is one among a world history of terrible atrocities. No more, but certainly no less.

 

[Kachiporra]

You know? It's kinda funny because on 9/11/1973 the President of Chile, Salvador Allende, was overthrown in a coup organised by the Chilean military and endorsed by the United States.

So, not really feeling sad for United States

 

[Freethinker101]

Anyone else feel that placing two giant towers was a like putting up a flag and saying: Bomb this. Really its not a big deal. People die all over the world, millions even across other places, so who cares if only 3000-4000+ died in 9/11.
Yes that's right Americans more people die from other causes around the world...
(Canadian)

 

[mental_looney]

Sad but far away so not as big an impact, as far worse things have happened.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Where I live, no one gives a crap. No one gave a crap when it happened. And why should they? You bombed the shit out of my country a couple of years prior to that event. Not that I care, because nothing really changed. So it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that most people were happy about 9/11. Not me though. I was too young to care. But my opinion is that it's never right when innocent people die. But still, I couldn't care less about 9/11. It's not even in first 1000 of worst things that happened in the world. It's just glorified by the media and politicians and other sensationalists alike.

 

[Benny Blanco]

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You never heard British citizens bitching about IRA attacks years later. They just dealt with it and moved on. What is it about Americans that makes you such whiny cry babies?

I heard a few when I was over there and mentioned it, and got thrown out of a few places for mentioning it. i actually if I think about it, i think one of the drunker bitchers about it gave me a death threat over it. Of course I got dirty looks for never understanding why Britain couldnt just give up a track of land like that since they didnt want to be part of it, but i guess Brits never seemed to think that a country should leave them once they forcibly take over unless it gets a view on the world stage.

besides, if I remember correctly, there was some kinda controsversy over it in britain when deadliest warrior decided to do an episode with them and they didnt even air the show on tv.

Sounds to me like QUITE a few people arent over it yet.

OK, firstly, it's TRACT of land, not TRACK of land. Secondly, there's really no major interest among most Brits in keeping Ulster in the UK- it's no longer strategically important and diverts quite a lot of tax money from the mainland. In addition, there's quite a lot of sympathy for the people whose lives have been destroyed by the troubles.

The reason we can't just give it back to the RoI is that there are still a load of people there who consider themselves British and some of them are as happy to commit acts of violence as the IRA were. The peace talks were made much more difficult by Rev. Dr. Ian Paisley and his ilk. If Sinn Fein and the British govt. were the only people who had to get together round a table it could have been sorted out in months, not years.

The ignorant black and white view of many Americans to a much more nuanced problem (and the funding of the IRA - a terrorist organisation) didn't win a lot of friends this side of the pond. Sort of similar to the treatment of Israel/Palestine- a large lobby in America decided to back one side and to hell with the others.

Please read some history books, the Wikipedia page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_troubles

or just listen to "Each Dollar a Bullet" by Stiff Little Fingers for further clarification.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FRC1BpofCg

On the matter of September the 11th 2001, I cannot presume to speak for all my countrymen. My initial reaction as I watched the 2nd plane hit live on the news was shock and horror. I have visited New York twice since the attack, including ground zero and I am simultaneously impressed by the resilience of the people there and struck by the enormity of the event. It is one of my favourite cities and one of very few for which I would leave the UK. I mention New York specifically because the other two targets were government buildings.

My overwhelming feeling is of sympathy for the American people, particularly those who lost loved ones. Second to that is a sick feeling at the way the event was exploited for political capital by the Bush administration. Under all that, there is a glimmer of hope that at least now the idea of "justifiable terror" is so dead in the US that people with an Irish great great grandparent will stop sending money and guns to Northern Ireland.

Attacking civilians for political reasons is never right, no matter how noble your cause.

 

[JamesStone]

NZ. Not cared about in the slightest. In fact[footnote]Though to be fair this is just from people I have spoken to about it.[/footnote] people find it distasteful that americans still go on and on about it like it was such a big thing. And the whole "They attacked us!" is disgusting.

Simple fact is this, unless you actually lost a family member in the attack then you really need to stfu about it and stop acting as if it had anything to do with you.

Oh and internationally its viewed 11/9. <.<

So because people don't know any of the 3000+ people killed, they shouldn't care and feel bad for those that lost their lives? I find it pretty distasteful that you don't think it wasn't a big deal considering it was a LOT of civilian deaths. Not trying to give you "This is 'Merica!" speech but seriously dude.

A lot of people were affected by it in a lot of emotional ways regardless of knowing any of the victims just like how Pearl Harbor affected the people that were alive when that happened. I'm sure other people feel the same for tragic attacks in their country as well.

On the topic of civilian deaths, this is how it's remembered by plenty of people i know:

Sad for the innocent lives lost... but there's also a lot of fucked up controversy that it comes with.

Many statistics that come up with these numbers, however, do not take into account two things: One, they do not seperate civilian casualities caused by coalition forces and insurgents.

Two: They do not compare or contrast the number of deaths under previous regimes (think millions), the estimated deaths had these regimes stayed in power (think, about the same as if not more than that bar), and the economic boom that has followed since the US invasion (hint: Iraq is quickly becoming a center for economic power in the middle east, already about twice as rich as it was under Saddam, and the same goes for Afghanistan).)

So to me, these statistics are a moot point.

Yeah of course, the situation for everyone all round could have been worse, but you're side-stepping the issue here, which is one about attitudes and viewpoints.

The point is, USA go on and on and on about being victims. Which they were, of course, but disproportionate to the suffering they've inflicted while using the 'victim' thing as an excuse.

What suffering?

I am not side stepping the issue. What I am saying is that the suffering does not outweigh the good that has been created.

Should the US have stayed out of World War II because it would have caused millions more to die? or was the sacrifice of those millions what saved entire races of people and most of the world being dominated by an evil, oppressive force?

It´s completely different. America joined the Allies at World War II because they were attacked, if not, I´m pretty sure they would be happy to be isolated from the whole scenario, profiting from the weapons sales, and waiting for either sides to be weak enough so they could stomp in and look like big heros. What? They did that? Who could have knowned?

The Twin Towers were an excuse to invade a wealthy country (in terms of natural resources that is) and destabilize the entire reason, so that prices could go sky high and they (not America in general, but the big bosses) could profit a big deal from that.
Again, the separation doesn´t really matter, because none of them, coallition or insurgents, would actually kill civilians if the war didn´t started.
And to the economic boom: It was a big one of course, but not to the people in general. Instead, that "economic boom" was a extreme increase of rich men fortunes (especially oil barons) and possibly a decrease of life quality to middle to low class people.
So how can that be better to what they had before? Before, they had a political dictatorship. Bow, they have a economic one, and foreign companies are mining their resources, depleding the land and giving few to their country.

 

[Popido]

To recap, the citizens, their government, and the media are all seperate, and not to be confused with having the same views.

This.

This is the major reason why I get pissed off with americans. Its never "the citizens" fault. What kind of democrazy are you even practicing there!? Ohwaitcapitalismnevermindthen...

Good to see thought that you can still milk 9/11. Otherwise there might be another unfortunated event to keep the war economy well oiled.

 

[Qitz]

I could give two shits about 9/11 anymore. Hell I stopped caring the year after. It's done, there's nothing that can be done about it. Quit your bitching and move on with it.

Whats worse is how fast it degraded into ratings and money pulls. People selling American Flags and Stickers for your car, stations who pull the same footage and air it over and over and OVER to get you people to watch it.

One of the Sunday comic's put it best.

"Those of us who were involved don't have to be reminded of what happened that day, we see it every night we go to sleep." Or something like that.

Does it suck that it happened? Sure, but I'm still sick and tired of hearing about it. Shut up and move on.

 

[Sleipnir]

This is honestly not something that has ever meant anything to me, I didn't even feel anything when it first happened, I'm British, I was 11 and it didn't directly relate to me.

I understand people who have direct connections being sad about it, but the fact that the entire country comes to some kind of monumental standstill is just a bit ridiculous, it's not like there's a war going on or anything, oh wait...

I just don't get why people are still butt-hurting on it as a collective, it's like the fact that there are papers here who insist that things would be different "IF ONLY DIANA WERE HERE!", it's old news and if you weren't directly related to it, it doesn't effect you so shut up.

There are people who are all "I am proud to be an American because of this" and I just don't get it, cause what I think is "wait you're proud to be an American because loads of your people died?" though I do know it's because y'all came together and dealt with it as a country or some shit, but that's no reason to go "HOLD YOUR SHIT, WE NEED TO MAKE ALL TV STATIONS ABOUT THIS".

 

[ezeroast]

Well it was a massive event and I'm sure I'll never forget it happened, I'll probably always remember that it was the first day of a new job and I was crook as a dog. Didn't sleep all night and watched the whole thing unfold.

But now I hardly care at all, its just another horrendous event that happened. They happen every day, its just you usually don't get to see them happen in real time.
I'm an Australian btw.

Edit: oh yea and day/month/year should be a world standard

 

[SQN Leader 095]

well im australian and to be honest the only reason i even noticed 9/11 was because on the 11 of september 2001 i woke to find that i had fallen asleep with the tv on. it hasnt affected me apart from the fact that i have heard and kept count of the the 29 australian soldiers we've lost in 10 years of fighting. the only thing that affects me is that i knew 2 of those 29.