How is P2P tracked?

[thedelightfulme]

How are peer 2 peer servers/programs tracked? And is there a way to block it?
It confuses me how you can be tracked without a warrant. Surely its an infringement of human rights? Because to get evidence you need a warrant, which in turns needs "resonable suspicion".
So if they track you, find you, and the confiscate your stuff...isnt that in itself illegal?

 

[epic2fail]

the difference is they need a warrant to go into your home they don't need to enter to track p2p as its over the internet

 

[thedelightfulme]

I think you're under the impression that the government gives a fuck about what your rights are.

No matter where you live, this is a mistaken assumption.

I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this.

O_O

My world...just....collapsed....

 

[wordsmith]

That's something I really don't get about torrenting... I'm a self confessed pirate (although ninjas are better) and I hear people like Microsoft complaining about pirated software... Here's a hint from an 18 year old:

1)"leak" your new software to a Torrent site.
2)In the torrent, include a tracking beacon that reports the user's IP, location and any other useful information
3)Leave the torrent to flush through (leave it 4-6 months, let everyone get their hands on it and leave positive comments about the torrent)
4)Send a nice letter to the hundreds of thousands of people who downloaded it saying "Yo dawg, I herd u liek 2 torrent. STOP!"
5)????
6)PROFIT!!!

 

[thedelightfulme]

I think you're under the impression that the government gives a fuck about what your rights are.

No matter where you live, this is a mistaken assumption.

I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this.

O_O

My world...just....collapsed....

If it makes you feel better, the pieces feel really crunchy under my boots.

like...cornflakes?

 

[beddo]

How are peer 2 peer servers/programs tracked? And is there a way to block it?
It confuses me how you can be tracked without a warrant. Surely its an infringement of human rights? Because to get evidence you need a warrant, which in turns needs "resonable suspicion".
So if they track you, find you, and the confiscate your stuff...isnt that in itself illegal?

Well p2p networks aren't necessarily encrypted so your ISP can easily see what you are sending. However, they are not allowed to as this is an infringement of your right to privacy.

What tends to happen is bit torrents are watched by the industry, they do a check on you and then submit a subpoena to you ISP for details.

Confiscating your property for further investigation is perfectly legal.

You could try and contest in court that the whole case is invalid as it began with illegal surveillance however, that may not mitigate the evidence found afterwards. It depends how good your lawyer is really.

 

[OneHP]

I think the way I got busted by my ISP was that they simply set up a torrent program downloading a few popular files and checked the seeders IP addresses against a list of IP addresses that they have for customers. If you look at the list of seeders in your torrent program you can probably see all their IP addresses, it's possible to proxy these but most people don't bother. In short, don't seed if you don't want to get busted.

 

[beddo]

the difference is they need a warrant to go into your home they don't need to enter to track p2p as its over the internet

That's not true, your privacy right are covered for correspondence. They need a warrant to obtain the details of file sharing. Moreover, they need to prove it was the actual file not just a file with the name of said material. Though lawyers probably don't get that.

 

[thedelightfulme]

Well...i do use peer guardian, and avoid popular stuff. I find thats the best way to avoid attention. if you sit there downloading something thats being released next month, they may pay more attention, but if your getting something thats like 9 years old, they wont care so much. Thats just my logic. Also, i get my mates who have already downloaded said files to burn it onto a DVD or put it on a flash drive.

 

[Doth]

Well, they can't claim it was you who did it.
Have your router open without any passwords. Sure, your local neighbours might leech your internets but it's practically immunity from being 'busted', even if you do heavy stuff such as phishing. Otherwise you could just use a proxy or something. To each his own

 

[Laughing Man]

Well, they can't claim it was you who did it.
Have your router open without any passwords. Sure, your local neighbours might leech your internets but it's practically immunity from being 'busted', even if you do heavy stuff such as phishing. Otherwise you could just use a proxy or something. To each his own

That's actually wrong, as owner of the network it is your responsibility to ensure that it is secure saying I didn't bother to secure my network and someone stole my connection and used it to do something illegal is not an excuse.

They get you in a number of ways.

a). They stick a program in it that tracks you, trojan like stuff, old school and you'd have to be well stupid to fall for it.
b). They set up a fake seeding server and then log any IPs that connect to it.

I can't remember the escapists policy on this kinda stuff so all I'll say is that most decent torrent clients will allow you to block connections to certain IPs and that their are folk out there who provide block lists. Do the maths.

Also most decent clients will provide an option to encode P2P traffic. This is usually to get round traffic shaping by your ISP but if the person seeding encodes as well then no one knows exactly what you're downloading.

 

[HydraZulu]

Well...i do use peer guardian, and avoid popular stuff. I find thats the best way to avoid attention. if you sit there downloading something thats being released next month, they may pay more attention, but if your getting something thats like 9 years old, they wont care so much. Thats just my logic. Also, i get my mates who have already downloaded said files to burn it onto a DVD or put it on a flash drive.

I got an email from my ISP saying a game publishing company contacted them because I downloaded a god-knows-how-many-year-old game that nobody sells any more. I went searching everywhere I could around me, and I would have bought it if I could have found it. Can't buy it used, that doesn't work for games that need a s/n to work.

 

[GRoXERs]

Up/downloading material through P2P is the equivilent of a drug dealing walking down the street yelling "anyone want drugs?" or a pedo walking down the street yelling "here little kiddies, I want to see you naked".

Well said, and you're exactly right. P2P networks are not anonymous, nor could they be.

 

[Doth]

That's actually wrong, as owner of the network it is your responsibility to ensure that it is secure saying I didn't bother to secure my network and someone stole my connection and used it to do something illegal is not an excuse.

Odd, when a friend of mine got his bank accounts emptied by a phisher the police just said that they couldn't determine if it was him who did it, as the network was open.
Either the laws in Sweden are different from those of Whereveryourfrom or said police were just lazy.
I'm guessing the later.

 

[Captain Blackout]

Note to self: Steal 'net access before engaging in any more piracy.

 

[Laughing Man]

Odd, when a friend of mine got his bank accounts emptied by a phisher the police just said that they couldn't determine if it was him who did it, as the network was open.
Either the laws in Sweden are different from those of Whereveryourfrom or said police were just lazy.
I'm guessing the later.

Sounds like the cops were just to lazy, the moral is in both cases you're screwed because you couldn't be bothered to spend five minutes securing your network.