How is the Abomb taught in Japan ?

[Slaanesh]

As per the Vietnam War, like with many things, it largely depends on the state you live in.

I grew up in Massachusetts, a liberal bastion, so the tale we're taught is that warmongering presidents, fueled by an irrational fear of the domino theory, saw an opportunity in the Gulf of Tonkin incident to fight a useful proxy battle against communism without actually turning the Cold War blazing hot. Once we were in, we couldn't get out without severely losing face to the Communist East, and thus the quagmire began.

Yeah, thats pretty much how it was summed up in my school(Rhode Island, btw). I would think at first that Japan wouldn't focus on it too much, but then again, they were fucking nuked. I think that would be an important part of any country's history.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Hmm, how do they teach the vietnam war in America? I imagine it depends which schoolboard is buying the textbooks.

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At my school we devoted a month to it in the grade it was taught. We learned all about the policies, that the US had on it, about the French's failing in that area and basically just wiping their hands of it and saying Im done with this now kthnxbai, about the way it changed the perception of war and culture in the US and the world. How it tied in with the Cold War nd all that jazz. and there's no glorifying it either, like, "oh yeah, we lost the war, but we put up a good fight." Oh no, we learn about getting our ass handed to us, and we saw what would probably now be considered war crimes.

OT: I imagine somewhat matter of factly as if it say yea it happened, but with an underlying message of the US took it to far and some feigning innocence look they didnt deserve to have it happen.

But of course thats comming from a biased source after I was over there and the Japanese werent very hospitable and decided to criticize the US school system. I guess they think in the states we're taught we're the greatest country ever and no other country is worth enough to lick the shit from our boots or soemting. But thats just the people I met.

 

[the spud]

I hope they just gloss over the Vietnam war in my history class; we have a Vietnamese foriegn exchange student and it would be really akward.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I hope they just gloss over the Vietnam war in my history class; we have a Vietnamese foriegn exchange student and it would be really akward.

well wait, is he from the north or the south region?

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wait, i guess that wouldnt make a difference.

 

[zehydra]

My understanding is that that part of Japan's history isn't really taught that much. I have no doubt that the bomb is taught, because those were massive humanitarian atrocities against Japan. My understanding though, is that they don't talk much about the atrocities that Japan committed as well.

 

[zehydra]

My experience with Vietnam is that it was extensively covered in my High School class. However, I was in a lower history course. Those who took AP US history (College level) didn't learn much about it, while the regular courses did it extensively.

I also got to watch Forrest Gump in that class. Fun times.

 

[the spud]

I hope they just gloss over the Vietnam war in my history class; we have a Vietnamese foriegn exchange student and it would be really akward.

well wait, is he from the north or the south region?

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wait, i guess that wouldnt make a difference.

Well, actually it's a she.
Also, I have no idea.
Never asked.

 

[CleverCover]

"Lememba kids, neva taunt amelica, they no kidding when they say 'We have big bomb!'"

I know you're trying to be funny and all...but they can't sound out the letter l because they don't have one, at least not without practice. It's actually an r for them.

OT: I bet it depends on who is teaching it. More often than not, the teacher will take subjects into his or her own hands if necessary, and there's time. That's been my experience with most subjects.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Hmm, how do they teach the vietnam war in America? I imagine it depends which schoolboard is buying the textbooks.

My schooling regarding american history went thusly: WOO, WE FOUGHT BACK THE EVIL BRITISH!!! GO AMERICA! Then, just to show the world we mean business, WE FREED THE SLAVES! GOO AMERICA!!! THEN WE WON WORLD WAR 1, and as a quick follow up, decided we'd go and save europe from that puny little hitler dude and KICKED GERMANY IN THE FACE! WOOOO, GO AMERICA!!!! Then Japan attacked us..! It was completely unjustified and had nothing to do with us so we went and beat them honorably..! WOO, GO AMERICA!!!

Then, junior year I joined International Relations, and it went thusly: What's that? Firebombing non-military cities? It's okay, cause we're AMERI-- what? Pearl Harbor was our fault anyway? Amer-- Vietnam? Korea? What? Responsibility for the actions we took and the people we've fucked over..? Unjust wars, and indescriminate massacres of civilian populations..?


[sub]america!! [/sub]

I have all sorts of problems with both of those. Pearl Harbor came before we fought Hitler. Pearl Harbor is only our fault if you consider our refusal to allow Japan to expand their conquest, and refused to supply them with oil. Japan was in a state of Total War in which even citizen and resource was part of the war effort so there were no non-military cities. Vietnam was a mistake, We would have won Korea if China hadn't threatened to interfere.

 

[emeraldrafael]

I hope they just gloss over the Vietnam war in my history class; we have a Vietnamese foriegn exchange student and it would be really akward.

well wait, is he from the north or the south region?

...

wait, i guess that wouldnt make a difference.

Well, actually it's a she.
Also, I have no idea.
Never asked.

Ah, sorry. I dont know wht I assumed it was a boy.

and oka. well, like I said, i doubt it will makea different thinking about it actually. Though i dont think they'd hold it against you or anyonei nt he school personally, as long as you were dicks about it and said it was a war in which the US was right and make it a black or white issue.

 

[Irridium]

From what I picked up by talking to Japanese people/friends who visited Japan(2, but still), it tends to vary. Younger people don't care that much, older people try to dodge it or talk about how it was an injustice.

One thing I found interesting, however, is how evasive they are of what the Japanese did in China. More specifically Nanking. According to my friends, a good chunk even seem to think that the Japanese were just "helping" their Chinese neighbors. Not much, but still a decent amount, mainly older folks.

I sure hope it was just a special case, because otherwise... to just completely gloss over such atrocities...

Hmm, how do they teach the vietnam war in America?

For me it was taught as a foolish war that shouldn't have even happened. But it did, because everyone was so fucking scared of communism and the government was doing all sorts of stupid and awful shit in the name of "protecting freedom".

Basically, for me it was taught as a foolish war that shouldn't have happened, and so many lives were lost for no good damn reason.

I was taught about it in Chicago and Vermont, if that means anything. Most people I talk to seem to have either been taught the same or see it the same.

 

[EmperorSubcutaneous]

"Lememba kids, neva taunt amelica, they no kidding when they say 'We have big bomb!'"

I know you're trying to be funny and all...but they can't sound out the letter l because they don't have one, at least not without practice. It's actually an r for them.

Actually it's neither. It's a postalveolar flap, which is more like the 't' in 'water' (in Standard American English anyway).

So since it's neither an 'r' nor an 'l,' either one works.

Except that joke was very much unfunny.

 

[TFielding]

As far as how Vietnam is taught in America, (in my school) it's not a large subject, my class was taught very well we did not need to be there, we caused more harm then good, South Vietnam didn't really want us there, all just to end up with almost the same thing as what we started.

For my school at least, the Vietnam war is taught more of a thing where we messed up, but South Vietnam wanted us there. One of my teachers grew up in South Vietnam at around 1975 as the son of an official, so, not a fun childhood.
OT: For all its worth (not much) someone asked this on Yahoo Answers a few years ago. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100217112743AALhBcY

 

[CleverCover]

"Lememba kids, neva taunt amelica, they no kidding when they say 'We have big bomb!'"

I know you're trying to be funny and all...but they can't sound out the letter l because they don't have one, at least not without practice. It's actually an r for them.

Actually it's neither. It's a postalveolar flap, which is more like the 't' in 'water' (in Standard American English anyway).

So since it's neither an 'r' nor an 'l,' either one works.

Except that joke was very much unfunny.

And I think I learned something new today. Not sure until I find out what I think I just learned.

 

[Owen Robertson]

I wonder how the English discuss the IRA. Or how Germany teaches their history. Or how Canada teaches that we treated aboriginal (native, or indian to the ridiculously ignorant) peoples in the 19th century worse than America treated African-Americans in the 20th. Oh that's right. We pretend it never happened. Everyone's got skeletons in their closets, right?

 

[mega48man]

you bomb the test, we bomb you back, don't fuck up.

so what'd you find about vietnam being taught in america? if you found anything weird or strange, you heard wrong. in my school (in michigan, a blue(liberal) state as opposed to a red (conservative) state) we were taught that america was paranoid with communism so JFK had no choice (sarcasm) but to invade vietnam and help south vietnam fight back the invading communists/NVA(who had all ready taken over most of the country). he had good intentions about it and all, he was one of my favorite presidents nothing against him, but then he got dead, so LBJ (who was VP because no one wanted him to become president) became president and fucked everything up. he didn't realize that he'd be getting maaaaany american soliders including willam defoe killed for a reason a drug inspired hippie culture nation didn't understand because they were too young. so it was a loosing battle and johnson "vietnamized" the place (south vietnam troops were trained better and we GTFO'd). so pretty much iraq happened in the asian jungle.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Sounds to me like the school system is just sweeping it under the rug and forgetting it even happened.

Yep. Because nobody ever does that.

This cat is fuckin' adorable, by the way.